Official Trade Thread: New Year, New Thread, New Laughs

[nevetsov]

I'd be very happy with either Ibaka or Gibson on this team as a starter next to Len. But moreover, I'd like to upgrade the SF spot.

Hayward is a pipe dream, but Parsons may be available from Dallas? He is slumping now that Rondo is in town, is he any good on D? Haven't seen enough of him to judge.

[NashtyNas]

I_Socrates post a lot in the trade forum, he is alright. Maybe he simply likes Noah...
He has countered many bad trades from the Suns point of view over there.

He needs to spend less time in the trade forum and more time watching Len then.

Just because I choose not to post on the Suns forum does not mean I am not a Suns fan or that I don't watch the Suns.
Just because YOU are really high on Len doesn't mean he holds the value you think.
I like Len, I really do. I think he has a bright future. What you fail to understand is that trades don't work based on fabrications of value by fans. If that were the case, no trades would ever happen.

I did not say it's ludicrous or embarrassing to not want to trade Len. I wouldn't give him up for MOST offers that have been posted on here, I'll admit that. However, I do think it's embarrassing that Suns fans came in here claiming Len is better than Noah now, or that he projects to be much better in the future. Those claims are completely insincere.
Don't call people out because they disagree with you, bring out the facts to back up your claims.
A small stretch of good games all of a sudden makes Len better than Noah? If that's not ludicrous, I don't know what is.
How many times have we seen players look extremely good for a few games and then going back to being pedestrian in a few days/weeks/months?

I'm sure you were one of the same posters that last year considered Plumlee untradable. We'd be lucky to get a quality prospect for him now.

Noah is much more valuable than Len regardless of age, and he provides exactly what we need at the C spot RIGHT NOW. At some point, you have to decide what's more important. We haven't made the playoffs for a few years and have been treadmilling at the 8th spot. That is not a position you want to be in. You want to compete, even if it's not for a championship. This whole championship or bust mentality is ludicrous. There is only ONE team that can win the championship. Should the other 29 teams just tank all the time?

If you don't think it's important to win now and be competitive in the playoffs, even then this trade makes a lot of sense just because of how much value we are getting. Noah can be flipped to another team that needs him for long term assets if that's really what you prefer. Teams like OKC, NY, LAC, LAL, TOR, MIA, ATL would give up a lot to get Noah.

NY can give up their pick. TOR has Val, Ross, picks. LA has Randle and possibly a top 5 pick. ATL has Horford/young prospects/picks.

Essentially, this deal makes sense regardless of what direction you want to go. Get him, compete with him this year, rebuild his value, move him for a better long term prospect (if that's what you prefer) later. More likely is you acquire him and upgrade another spot (namely SF) via another move and are now in contention for deep playoff runs the next 3-5 years. I'll take that over waiting 5 years to make the 2nd round while Len develops.

[Qwigglez]

A dark horse defensive big that could become available is Serge Ibaka. If OKC continue to struggle they will move to break up their core of Durant, Westbrook and Ibaka. Right now their weakness is a very thin bench. Suns have an abundance of high end bench players and need an upgrade on among their starters.
Suns trade: Markieff, Marcus, Plumleeee
OKC trades: Serge Obaka, Kendrick Perkins (a third team is involved somehow)
Ibaka is a very good defensive PF to put next to Len. A Len-Ibaka-Tucker front court would be a defensive terror. Ibaka is not as good offensively as Kieff, but can score averaging 13 per game. Ibaka brings great shot blocking and defense, plus can play the C position along with Len and Wright.

markieff, Marcus and Plumlee would be a huge upgrade in talent for their bench strength. OKC goes with Adams, Plumlee at center and finally shed the contract of Kendrick Perkins. Marcus Morris would come off the bench at either the 3 or 4 and provide 40% three point shooting on good volume. Markieff replaces Ibaka at the 4, and while not as good defensively is much better offensively and can provide scoring when Durant and Westbrook aren't playing well.

Perkins is somehow traded to a third team.

This seems like a lot to give up for Ibaka, so some work might need to be done on the right pieces. However I do think this is a solid basis for trade that helps both teams.

Yes. Ibaka would be a great fit with Len. I mentioned this earlier in the season, but I think it's a trade that both parties may consider. I think we'd have to include Gerald Green just to make it work financially.
It could be...
Ibaka for Morris bros + Green. In which case, our bench dwindles down, but we still have IT.
Bledsoe/Dragic/Tucker/Ibaka/Len
IT/Goodwin/Bullock/Wright/Plumlee

[Jdiddy701]

I will choose Len (21 years old) over Noah (29 years old) with this Suns team going forward any day of the week.




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[Jdiddy701]

I will choose Len (21 years old) over Noah (29 years old) with this Suns team going forward any day of the week.




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[Cutter]

A dark horse defensive big that could become available is Serge Ibaka. If OKC continue to struggle they will move to break up their core of Durant, Westbrook and Ibaka. Right now their weakness is a very thin bench. Suns have an abundance of high end bench players and need an upgrade on among their starters.
Suns trade: Markieff, Marcus, Plumleeee
OKC trades: Serge Obaka, Kendrick Perkins (a third team is involved somehow)
Ibaka is a very good defensive PF to put next to Len. A Len-Ibaka-Tucker front court would be a defensive terror. Ibaka is not as good offensively as Kieff, but can score averaging 13 per game. Ibaka brings great shot blocking and defense, plus can play the C position along with Len and Wright.

markieff, Marcus and Plumlee would be a huge upgrade in talent for their bench strength. OKC goes with Adams, Plumlee at center and finally shed the contract of Kendrick Perkins. Marcus Morris would come off the bench at either the 3 or 4 and provide 40% three point shooting on good volume. Markieff replaces Ibaka at the 4, and while not as good defensively is much better offensively and can provide scoring when Durant and Westbrook aren't playing well.

Perkins is somehow traded to a third team.

This seems like a lot to give up for Ibaka, so some work might need to be done on the right pieces. However I do think this is a solid basis for trade that helps both teams.

I do like your darkhorse idea, as i am a BIG fan of Ibaka's.

I dont think that is alot to give up for Ibaka, and think quite the opposite. I dont think the MoBros and Plumlee get it done. Ibaka has much more value than that, specially trading him to a team in the same conference, and one that they are competing with for that final playoff spot.

So this would be my plan (built upon yours):

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kaz6tpq

Suns get Ibaka
Thunder get MoBros/Lopez
Nets get Perkins/Plumlee/Thomas

We know that OKC has had their eye on Lopez, and this way they get him, with the added benefit of adding the MoBros for added depth.

Nets get a package right around what they were looking for (a large expiring and a young player with potential). They also help cement their relationship with Plumlee (Mason) by picking up his brother.

Suns get them their defensive PF in Ibaka, and also open up playing time on the wings. The subtraction of Thomas helps create unity between in our new 2 PG system.

Nice, nice trade Kerrsed. If (a big but plausible if) OKC decides to make some changes to their roster, this trade is definitely within the realm of possibility. With the inclusion of Brook Lopez going to OKC along with the depth provide by Kieff and Marcus the Thunder become a more balanced and dangerous team. If Durant or Westbrook get hurt again, this team would still be able to win games at a high rate. The only concern might be that Suns pause at helping a conference foe, but in the end I think they make the trade.

[Cutter]

A dark horse defensive big that could become available is Serge Ibaka. If OKC continue to struggle they will move to break up their core of Durant, Westbrook and Ibaka. Right now their weakness is a very thin bench. Suns have an abundance of high end bench players and need an upgrade on among their starters.
Suns trade: Markieff, Marcus, Plumleeee
OKC trades: Serge Obaka, Kendrick Perkins (a third team is involved somehow)
Ibaka is a very good defensive PF to put next to Len. A Len-Ibaka-Tucker front court would be a defensive terror. Ibaka is not as good offensively as Kieff, but can score averaging 13 per game. Ibaka brings great shot blocking and defense, plus can play the C position along with Len and Wright.

markieff, Marcus and Plumlee would be a huge upgrade in talent for their bench strength. OKC goes with Adams, Plumlee at center and finally shed the contract of Kendrick Perkins. Marcus Morris would come off the bench at either the 3 or 4 and provide 40% three point shooting on good volume. Markieff replaces Ibaka at the 4, and while not as good defensively is much better offensively and can provide scoring when Durant and Westbrook aren't playing well.

Perkins is somehow traded to a third team.

This seems like a lot to give up for Ibaka, so some work might need to be done on the right pieces. However I do think this is a solid basis for trade that helps both teams.

I do like your darkhorse idea, as i am a BIG fan of Ibaka's.

I dont think that is alot to give up for Ibaka, and think quite the opposite. I dont think the MoBros and Plumlee get it done. Ibaka has much more value than that, specially trading him to a team in the same conference, and one that they are competing with for that final playoff spot.

So this would be my plan (built upon yours):

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kaz6tpq

Suns get Ibaka
Thunder get MoBros/Lopez
Nets get Perkins/Plumlee/Thomas

We know that OKC has had their eye on Lopez, and this way they get him, with the added benefit of adding the MoBros for added depth.

Nets get a package right around what they were looking for (a large expiring and a young player with potential). They also help cement their relationship with Plumlee (Mason) by picking up his brother.

Suns get them their defensive PF in Ibaka, and also open up playing time on the wings. The subtraction of Thomas helps create unity between in our new 2 PG system.

Nice, nice trade Kerrsed. If (a big but plausible if) OKC decides to make some changes to their roster, this trade is definitely within the realm of possibility. With the inclusion of Brook Lopez going to OKC along with the depth provide by Kieff and Marcus the Thunder become a more balanced and dangerous team. If Durant or Westbrook get hurt again, this team would still be able to win games at a high rate. The only concern might be that Suns pause at helping a conference foe, but in the end I think they make the trade.

[Cutter]

A dark horse defensive big that could become available is Serge Ibaka. If OKC continue to struggle they will move to break up their core of Durant, Westbrook and Ibaka. Right now their weakness is a very thin bench. Suns have an abundance of high end bench players and need an upgrade on among their starters.
Suns trade: Markieff, Marcus, Plumleeee
OKC trades: Serge Obaka, Kendrick Perkins (a third team is involved somehow)
Ibaka is a very good defensive PF to put next to Len. A Len-Ibaka-Tucker front court would be a defensive terror. Ibaka is not as good offensively as Kieff, but can score averaging 13 per game. Ibaka brings great shot blocking and defense, plus can play the C position along with Len and Wright.

markieff, Marcus and Plumlee would be a huge upgrade in talent for their bench strength. OKC goes with Adams, Plumlee at center and finally shed the contract of Kendrick Perkins. Marcus Morris would come off the bench at either the 3 or 4 and provide 40% three point shooting on good volume. Markieff replaces Ibaka at the 4, and while not as good defensively is much better offensively and can provide scoring when Durant and Westbrook aren't playing well.

Perkins is somehow traded to a third team.

This seems like a lot to give up for Ibaka, so some work might need to be done on the right pieces. However I do think this is a solid basis for trade that helps both teams.

I do like your darkhorse idea, as i am a BIG fan of Ibaka's.

I dont think that is alot to give up for Ibaka, and think quite the opposite. I dont think the MoBros and Plumlee get it done. Ibaka has much more value than that, specially trading him to a team in the same conference, and one that they are competing with for that final playoff spot.

So this would be my plan (built upon yours):

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kaz6tpq

Suns get Ibaka
Thunder get MoBros/Lopez
Nets get Perkins/Plumlee/Thomas

We know that OKC has had their eye on Lopez, and this way they get him, with the added benefit of adding the MoBros for added depth.

Nets get a package right around what they were looking for (a large expiring and a young player with potential). They also help cement their relationship with Plumlee (Mason) by picking up his brother.

Suns get them their defensive PF in Ibaka, and also open up playing time on the wings. The subtraction of Thomas helps create unity between in our new 2 PG system.

Nice, nice trade Kerrsed. If (a big but plausible if) OKC decides to make some changes to their roster, this trade is definitely within the realm of possibility. With the inclusion of Brook Lopez going to OKC along with the depth provide by Kieff and Marcus the Thunder become a more balanced and dangerous team. If Durant or Westbrook get hurt again, this team would still be able to win games at a high rate. The only concern might be that Suns pause at helping a conference foe, but in the end I think they make the trade.

[SunsRback4Good]

I will choose Len (21 years old) over Noah (29 years old) with this Suns team going forward any day of the week.




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Even if Noah is 4 years younger I wouldn't trade him for Len. Noah wouldn't fit our team in a way that Len does. Don't get me wrong, Noah is an amazing player but Len is a soon to be double double machine and will also give you 2-3 blocks per game. The Suns have never had a Center like Len that of course if he improves would be huge for our team going forward.

[GetYourPHX]

It's too bad Plumdog wants out. I'm sure his agent has asked for a trade after the minutes he's been getting over the past few games. It's pretty understandable. I still think It would be nice to have him on the bench down the stretch this season. He's no world beater but he's a proven contributor and valuable asset if Wright or Len go down.

It doesn't feel like there are that many midseason trades that will help the team out now. It seems like players acquired at the trade deadline that get thrust into a starring role with their new team rarely help out until the next year. Energy guys like Wright can step in and have an impact, but shuffling the starting lineup could cost the team 3 games, and ultimately, the playoffs.

If Plumlee can't stick around it'd be nice to be able to trade him for a pick, expiring, or international player. I don't think this team needs to take on any long term commitments right now.

My personal rosterbation fantasy is Dario Saric. Unlikely the Sixers want to trade him after the year he's having, but a fan can dream. I'd give up Plumlee, Goodwin, and one of (Ennis, top 13 protected first, Bogdan) for him.

He's that good.

[MrMiyagi]

TRADE EVERYONE FOR EVERYONE ELSE'S PLAYERS!!!!!!!!

[Cutter]

I will choose Len (21 years old) over Noah (29 years old) with this Suns team going forward any day of the week.




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So would McD, Babby and Hornacek. Suns aren't trading Len for Noah. Anyone that thinks otherwise is not in tune with the team.

[Christine-In-AZ]

With Traxxe's post about keeping Bledsoe/Tucker/Wright/Len and then the acquisition of Bullock, it shows me that the FO is trying to turn us into a great defensive team.

"With Traxxe's post..."

Explain the/any significance, if you don't mind Kerrsed.

[Revived]

I_Socrates post a lot in the trade forum, he is alright. Maybe he simply likes Noah...
He has countered many bad trades from the Suns point of view over there.

He needs to spend less time in the trade forum and more time watching Len then.

Just because I choose not to post on the Suns forum does not mean I am not a Suns fan or that I don't watch the Suns.
Just because YOU are really high on Len doesn't mean he holds the value you think.
I like Len, I really do. I think he has a bright future. What you fail to understand is that trades don't work based on fabrications of value by fans. If that were the case, no trades would ever happen.

I did not say it's ludicrous or embarrassing to not want to trade Len. I wouldn't give him up for MOST offers that have been posted on here, I'll admit that. However, I do think it's embarrassing that Suns fans came in here claiming Len is better than Noah now, or that he projects to be much better in the future. Those claims are completely insincere.
Don't call people out because they disagree with you, bring out the facts to back up your claims.
A small stretch of good games all of a sudden makes Len better than Noah? If that's not ludicrous, I don't know what is.
How many times have we seen players look extremely good for a few games and then going back to being pedestrian in a few days/weeks/months?

I'm sure you were one of the same posters that last year considered Plumlee untradable. We'd be lucky to get a quality prospect for him now.

Noah is much more valuable than Len regardless of age, and he provides exactly what we need at the C spot RIGHT NOW. At some point, you have to decide what's more important. We haven't made the playoffs for a few years and have been treadmilling at the 8th spot. That is not a position you want to be in. You want to compete, even if it's not for a championship. This whole championship or bust mentality is ludicrous. There is only ONE team that can win the championship. Should the other 29 teams just tank all the time?

If you don't think it's important to win now and be competitive in the playoffs, even then this trade makes a lot of sense just because of how much value we are getting. Noah can be flipped to another team that needs him for long term assets if that's really what you prefer. Teams like OKC, NY, LAC, LAL, TOR, MIA, ATL would give up a lot to get Noah.

NY can give up their pick. TOR has Val, Ross, picks. LA has Randle and possibly a top 5 pick. ATL has Horford/young prospects/picks.

Essentially, this deal makes sense regardless of what direction you want to go. Get him, compete with him this year, rebuild his value, move him for a better long term prospect (if that's what you prefer) later. More likely is you acquire him and upgrade another spot (namely SF) via another move and are now in contention for deep playoff runs the next 3-5 years. I'll take that over waiting 5 years to make the 2nd round while Len develops.

Len fits our team going forward better than 30 yr old Noah does.

Plus Noah hasn't been that great since returning from injury.

I'd rather keep Len than trade Noah for him and then find a team that will give up something for Noah.

It just makes zero sense.

[Sunsdeuce]

Noah's value is way way down. Ask
Bulls fans what they think of his play this year. Len is nearly out performing him(has out performed Noah in the last 10 games). Time to move on from 2010. Noah is done.

Noah this year.
Ppg: 7
Rpg: 9

Those are like Plumlee numbers.

[lilfishi22]

TRADE EVERYONE FOR EVERYONE ELSE'S PLAYERS!!!!!!!!

[thamadkant]

I will choose Len (21 years old) over Noah (29 years old) with this Suns team going forward any day of the week.




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So would McD, Babby and Hornacek. Suns aren't trading Len for Noah. Anyone that thinks otherwise is not in tune with the team.

Of course they wont, Len is a potential beast..

But I_Socrates implied that IF the Suns were going ALL-IN, Noah would be ideal over Len (if not possible to have both).
Let's say Suns managed to convince Lebron James and another star on this team, and Len started playing the way he does so he picks up other GM's attention. And Bulls ring up to offer Noah since they want to rebuild, Suns would likely trade him for a player like Noah to catapult them to championship level.


But the Suns arent in that category, so Len > Noah... for the Suns.
Bulls wouldnt trade Noah for Len NOW either.. as they are in a championship chase for the next 2 seasons. Noah is HUGE for them to accomplish that goal.

I wouldnt trade Len for anyone outside of Durant, Davis today.

[MrMiyagi]

WHY ARE WE GOING ALL-IN RIGHT NOW WITH THE FOURTH YOUNGEST TEAM IN THE LEAGUE?

[lilfishi22]

I_Socrates post a lot in the trade forum, he is alright. Maybe he simply likes Noah...
He has countered many bad trades from the Suns point of view over there.

He needs to spend less time in the trade forum and more time watching Len then.

Just because I choose not to post on the Suns forum does not mean I am not a Suns fan or that I don't watch the Suns.
Just because YOU are really high on Len doesn't mean he holds the value you think.
I like Len, I really do. I think he has a bright future. What you fail to understand is that trades don't work based on fabrications of value by fans. If that were the case, no trades would ever happen.

I did not say it's ludicrous or embarrassing to not want to trade Len. I wouldn't give him up for MOST offers that have been posted on here, I'll admit that. However, I do think it's embarrassing that Suns fans came in here claiming Len is better than Noah now, or that he projects to be much better in the future. Those claims are completely insincere.
Don't call people out because they disagree with you, bring out the facts to back up your claims.
A small stretch of good games all of a sudden makes Len better than Noah? If that's not ludicrous, I don't know what is.
How many times have we seen players look extremely good for a few games and then going back to being pedestrian in a few days/weeks/months?

I'm sure you were one of the same posters that last year considered Plumlee untradable. We'd be lucky to get a quality prospect for him now.

Noah is much more valuable than Len regardless of age, and he provides exactly what we need at the C spot RIGHT NOW. At some point, you have to decide what's more important. We haven't made the playoffs for a few years and have been treadmilling at the 8th spot. That is not a position you want to be in. You want to compete, even if it's not for a championship. This whole championship or bust mentality is ludicrous. There is only ONE team that can win the championship. Should the other 29 teams just tank all the time?

If you don't think it's important to win now and be competitive in the playoffs, even then this trade makes a lot of sense just because of how much value we are getting. Noah can be flipped to another team that needs him for long term assets if that's really what you prefer. Teams like OKC, NY, LAC, LAL, TOR, MIA, ATL would give up a lot to get Noah.

NY can give up their pick. TOR has Val, Ross, picks. LA has Randle and possibly a top 5 pick. ATL has Horford/young prospects/picks.

Essentially, this deal makes sense regardless of what direction you want to go. Get him, compete with him this year, rebuild his value, move him for a better long term prospect (if that's what you prefer) later. More likely is you acquire him and upgrade another spot (namely SF) via another move and are now in contention for deep playoff runs the next 3-5 years. I'll take that over waiting 5 years to make the 2nd round while Len develops.

I think Noah is a great fit for the Suns. I also don't see how Len is a better fit than Noah, who is a better defender than Len, better rebounder, and is proabably the best passing C in the league. The guy would absolutely fit like a glove on our team. He sets good screens, rolls hard and can make the extra pass.

That being said, timing just isn't right. Len is up and coming and we're not built to contend yet, even with Noah. And if we're not a legit contender with Noah and that would limit our ability to resign Dragic or get that star big man we need to become a legit contender, then I'm going to have to pass on this trade.

[Sunsdeuce]

Is this really worth both Morris, plumlee and Thomas?

#9 Serge Ibaka
Oklahoma City Thunder2015 Record: 20-20
PPG RPG APG
14.5 7.3 0.9

I'll pass. Seems to me Suns get robbed in that deal.