Fried Chicken and Bonghits: The Al Jefferson Thread 2.0

[Liver_Pooty]

Definitely more. Al has been torn to shreds on here lately. Lol. To the point 90% of us want to trade him for expirings like Perkins and scraps from the Knicks. It don't get much worse than that.

To be honest I want to trade him myself, but ts only because Biyombo has finally convinced me he can be a legit starter in this league. Still has a lot of work to do, but thats a whole different subject.

What we could get for Jefferson is a completely different ordeal. I have no freaking idea what his worth is on the trade market.

Whoa sh*t. Not hard at all to change some of you guys opinions in 5-10 games. Biz went from "bust from hell" that shouldn't get minutes over Maxiell to you to convincing you that he could be a legit starter in this league in 2 weeks huh?

Stuff happens. Get over it.

[Eoghan]

Al seems like a good guy in general but his character as it relates to basketball is awful. Him pouting and refusing to give effort if he isnt fed the ball constantly is way worse than Lance getting his head out of the game when he or the team is struggling. It looks worse for Lance because he is more expressive. I think the rift between Lance and Al is more Als fault than Lance. Al basically holds the team hostage with his attitude. It wasnt an issue last season because everyone on our team and our coach were willing to defer to him constantly and let him do whatever he wants. I bet part of the reason our off-season signings other than Lance were under-talented scrubs that would rather pass the ball and hide on offense was to cater to Al and his insatiable appetite for touches.

You Lance fanboys are just amazing. The excuses for this moron keep getting more and more elaborate.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_BCgvKIO2w[/youtube]

How can you accept this from one of our players?

I don't know about you guys, but I am so tired of the absolute f*ckery this f*g magician pulls every single night. If it converted into points or wins, maybe, but that's definitely not the case. He just makes us look bad.

You are clearly exhibiting signs of a priori thinking with words like moron. That wasn't a flop IMO, it was a goofy collision that caused Lance to accidentally slap himself. It happens, who here hasn't accidentally sacktapped themselves in a game? Now what PJ did the other night, that's the definition of a disgraceful flop.

[Flip Murray]

Al seems like a good guy in general but his character as it relates to basketball is awful. Him pouting and refusing to give effort if he isnt fed the ball constantly is way worse than Lance getting his head out of the game when he or the team is struggling. It looks worse for Lance because he is more expressive. I think the rift between Lance and Al is more Als fault than Lance. Al basically holds the team hostage with his attitude. It wasnt an issue last season because everyone on our team and our coach were willing to defer to him constantly and let him do whatever he wants. I bet part of the reason our off-season signings other than Lance were under-talented scrubs that would rather pass the ball and hide on offense was to cater to Al and his insatiable appetite for touches.

You Lance fanboys are just amazing. The excuses for this moron keep getting more and more elaborate.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_BCgvKIO2w[/youtube]

How can you accept this from one of our players?

I don't know about you guys, but I am so tired of the absolute f*ckery this f*g magician pulls every single night. If it converted into points or wins, maybe, but that's definitely not the case. He just makes us look bad.

You are clearly exhibiting signs of a priori thinking with words like moron. That wasn't a flop IMO, it was a goofy collision that caused Lance to accidentally slap himself. It happens, who here hasn't accidentally sacktapped themselves in a game? Now what PJ did the other night, that's the definition of a disgraceful flop.

both were hilarious and i love both of those idiots

[Liver_Pooty]

Al seems like a good guy in general but his character as it relates to basketball is awful. Him pouting and refusing to give effort if he isnt fed the ball constantly is way worse than Lance getting his head out of the game when he or the team is struggling. It looks worse for Lance because he is more expressive. I think the rift between Lance and Al is more Als fault than Lance. Al basically holds the team hostage with his attitude. It wasnt an issue last season because everyone on our team and our coach were willing to defer to him constantly and let him do whatever he wants. I bet part of the reason our off-season signings other than Lance were under-talented scrubs that would rather pass the ball and hide on offense was to cater to Al and his insatiable appetite for touches.

You Lance fanboys are just amazing. The excuses for this moron keep getting more and more elaborate.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_BCgvKIO2w[/youtube]

How can you accept this from one of our players?

I don't know about you guys, but I am so tired of the absolute f*ckery this f*g magician pulls every single night. If it converted into points or wins, maybe, but that's definitely not the case. He just makes us look bad.

You are clearly exhibiting signs of a priori thinking with words like moron. That wasn't a flop IMO, it was a goofy collision that caused Lance to accidentally slap himself. It happens, who here hasn't accidentally sacktapped themselves in a game? Now what PJ did the other night, that's the definition of a disgraceful flop.

I played pickup ball night before last and my fingernail sliced an opposing player wide open. As you said, stuff happens.

[MasterIchiro]

I don't care who is to blame between Lance and Al. The fact is we are invested to the hilt in athletic players at nearly every position who are best suited in an uptempo offense. Al doesn't fit that and can't fit that regardless of how Clifford uses him upon his return. Lance is one of our young core players best suited for uptempo as opposed to Alffense. Lance also tries to get teammates involved, evidenced by his assist totals. Both have severe flaws in their game and a fair amount of drama between them but one of them fits and the other doesn't. From the very beginning of the year many of us were suggesting there was a clash between Lance and Al based on style of play. Clifford supposedly yelled to push the pace on the sidelines yet doing that changes nothing about Al - he's incapable of sustaining a fast pace.

At the very core of it all, this is the main reason I want Al shipped out first and keep Lance until a more thorough reevaluation at a later date. I'm convinced Roberts can't run offense on the 2nd unit and Lance is critical to their success.

I hated Biyombo last year and early this year more than most on the sight and even I want him starting over Al. I want to address center in the offseason but for now I just want to subtract Al and feel we will play better as a team.

[catch20two]

To be honest I want to trade him myself, but ts only because Biyombo has finally convinced me he can be a legit starter in this league. Still has a lot of work to do, but thats a whole different subject.

What we could get for Jefferson is a completely different ordeal. I have no freaking idea what his worth is on the trade market.

Whoa sh*t. Not hard at all to change some of you guys opinions in 5-10 games. Biz went from "bust from hell" that shouldn't get minutes over Maxiell to you to convincing you that he could be a legit starter in this league in 2 weeks huh?

Stuff happens. Get over it.

As long as you're on record of saying Biz can be a starter in this league. Good stuff. Welcome to the club.

[AttitudeAjusta]

You are clearly exhibiting signs of a priori thinking with words like moron. That wasn't a flop IMO, it was a goofy collision that caused Lance to accidentally slap himself. It happens, who here hasn't accidentally sacktapped themselves in a game? Now what PJ did the other night, that's the definition of a disgraceful flop.

You need to chill with those harsh words old man.

Let me start off by saying this, I do have appreciation the vocabulary you busted out; priori, goofy collision, and sacktapped. Good stuff

However, if you have slapped like yourself like that during a game, it would look exactly as stupid as that showed. Regarding both of those flops, both were pretty bad, but at least PJ got up instantly and didn't sag and pout like a little b*tch.

[Liver_Pooty]

You are clearly exhibiting signs of a priori thinking with words like moron. That wasn't a flop IMO, it was a goofy collision that caused Lance to accidentally slap himself. It happens, who here hasn't accidentally sacktapped themselves in a game? Now what PJ did the other night, that's the definition of a disgraceful flop.

You need to chill with those harsh words old man.

Let me start off by saying this, I do have appreciation the vocabulary you busted out; priori, goofy collision, and sacktapped. Good stuff

However, if you have slapped like yourself like that during a game, it would look exactly as stupid as that showed. Regarding both of those flops, both were pretty bad, but at least PJ got up instantly and didn't sag and pout like a little b*tch.

Lol I did pretty well on my SATs, but I had to google what priori meant. Was actually pretty impressive.

[Braggins]

Al seems like a good guy in general but his character as it relates to basketball is awful. Him pouting and refusing to give effort if he isnt fed the ball constantly is way worse than Lance getting his head out of the game when he or the team is struggling. It looks worse for Lance because he is more expressive. I think the rift between Lance and Al is more Als fault than Lance. Al basically holds the team hostage with his attitude. It wasnt an issue last season because everyone on our team and our coach were willing to defer to him constantly and let him do whatever he wants. I bet part of the reason our off-season signings other than Lance were under-talented scrubs that would rather pass the ball and hide on offense was to cater to Al and his insatiable appetite for touches.

You Lance fanboys are just amazing. The excuses for this moron keep getting more and more elaborate.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_BCgvKIO2w[/youtube]

How can you accept this from one of our players?

I don't know about you guys, but I am so tired of the absolute f*ckery this f*g magician pulls every single night. If it converted into points or wins, maybe, but that's definitely not the case. He just makes us look bad.

I wasnt making excuses for Lance. I was speaking of one particular issue with Lance; his rift with Al, and saying with that particular issue I think it is more Al and that I dont blame him for not wanting to play here if that is the case.

[Liver_Pooty]

Al seems like a good guy in general but his character as it relates to basketball is awful. Him pouting and refusing to give effort if he isnt fed the ball constantly is way worse than Lance getting his head out of the game when he or the team is struggling. It looks worse for Lance because he is more expressive. I think the rift between Lance and Al is more Als fault than Lance. Al basically holds the team hostage with his attitude. It wasnt an issue last season because everyone on our team and our coach were willing to defer to him constantly and let him do whatever he wants. I bet part of the reason our off-season signings other than Lance were under-talented scrubs that would rather pass the ball and hide on offense was to cater to Al and his insatiable appetite for touches.

You Lance fanboys are just amazing. The excuses for this moron keep getting more and more elaborate.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_BCgvKIO2w[/youtube]

How can you accept this from one of our players?

I don't know about you guys, but I am so tired of the absolute f*ckery this f*g magician pulls every single night. If it converted into points or wins, maybe, but that's definitely not the case. He just makes us look bad.

I wasnt making excuses for Lance. I was speaking of one particular issue with Lance; his rift with Al, and saying with that particular issue I think it is more Al and that I dont blame him for not wanting to play here if that is the case.

Is it a known fact that he has a rift with Al? Because every other player on the roster loves Al.

[Braggins]

I generally find Braggins to have very reasonable takes, but I just can't wrap my head around the Al hate that emanates from him.

I hate Al's game and attitude towards it. He seems like a wonderful person irl. Im not going to go into details because I have a million times before. I dont know how anyone likes his game honestly. Almost all of his flaws are inexcusable and due to his laziness and selfishness on the court. I seriously dont understand how anyone can defend what he does. Go look at the gif of him setting "screens" in the other thread and tell me how you could want a player like that on your team. I hate his game the same way everyone hates Neals. The only difference is Al is at least good at one thing.

[Braggins]

You Lance fanboys are just amazing. The excuses for this moron keep getting more and more elaborate.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_BCgvKIO2w[/youtube]

How can you accept this from one of our players?

I don't know about you guys, but I am so tired of the absolute f*ckery this f*g magician pulls every single night. If it converted into points or wins, maybe, but that's definitely not the case. He just makes us look bad.

I wasnt making excuses for Lance. I was speaking of one particular issue with Lance; his rift with Al, and saying with that particular issue I think it is more Al and that I dont blame him for not wanting to play here if that is the case.

Is it a known fact that he has a rift with Al? Because every other player on the roster loves Al.

No, but when I watch them play it seems that way. A lot of other people see it and there are alleged rumours. It may not be the case and if so then my speculation is moot. If there is a rift I can see why it could be true on some level.

[Joest2003]

what I got from watching that video is that Big Al can not jump.

[Braggins]

Al throwing up airballs/prayers through a triple or double team is just as idiotic and selfish as Neal pulling out for a fast break three when we had a 2 on 1 in that game the other day when he got benched. Al does his selfish nonsense like that all the time and tries even less on D but he somehow gets a pass and people defend him. On the court Al is sort of like a center version of JR Smith.

[yosemiteben]

Serious question...Did you watch Al last year? Did you feel the same way then?

[AttitudeAjusta]

Al throwing up airballs through a triple or double team is just as idiotic and selfish as Neal pulling out for a fast break three when we had a 2 on 1 in that game the other day when he got benched. Al does his selfish nonsense like that all the time and tries even less on D but he somehow gets a pass and people defend him.

Jefferson's shots went down more than anybody else's could, and he shot above .500 which is quite the opposite of throwing up airballs. His defense is not good, but his low-post game was damn near legendary last year. He can still do that by the way, because his game doesn't rely on his athleticism , but more on skill and footwork to outsmart defenders.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNtUrVjwu-w[/youtube]

Great video by one of our own. This was how we got our respect and put that lolcat name away.

Interview at the end of golden state massacre was funny at 4:48.

[Braggins]

Serious question...Did you watch Al last year? Did you feel the same way then?

Yes, I watched him last year. The second half of last season was by far the best stretch of his career. After the first couple months of the season he was on absolute fire. He was also in better shape, tried more on defense, and teams weren't actively trying to exploit him as much so we were able to hide him better. It was an out of the ordinary season for him. I was ok with his flaws because we either hid them or they didn't matter because he was scoring so well.

I honestly started out this season with pretty high hopes for him but he has been out of shape and seems to have reverted to an even worse version of his pre-Bobcat days. If he can get into shape and starts playing something resembling defense and passing to his teammates then I will go back to being fine with him. Same if he starts looking like he could drop 30 in his sleep on offense like last year. If he continues to be an out of shape and lazy ball hog who won't do anything to help his teammates I'm going to continue to be annoyed like crazy by him.

I'll try to tone down the Al bashing. There is nothing really new to say and I honestly do hope he plays better. A lot of the things he needs to fix are simply a matter of him choosing to do so. It isn't impossible for him to do better but I'm not too optimistic.

[Liver_Pooty]

Jefferson looks the same as he did last season. This out of shape garbage is stupid. He's chubby, always been chubby, always will be chubby. Clifford stated preseason that Al was in great shape.

He moves the same as last season, but isn't going for 25/11 which he did the last 35 games of the season. So I guess that means hes out of shape. Lol.

[Braggins]

Even 1/3 of the way into the season he was looking completely gassed early in 3rd quarters. Like completely exhausted to the point where hed start air balling bunny shots. He definitely looks slower on both ends of the court to me. The looking slower part could be due to his body wearing down or laziness or maybe I'm just imagining it. Idk though, If he was actually in shape before the injury then I really don't have much hope for him.

[BeesWax]

I think the point was Lance has been playing injured all season from the strain in preseason while Al was healthy all preseason and just came in lazy and has still not played his way into shape.

I assume you just didn't look it up and don't remember but Al missed two preseason games with ankle soreness. I agree though that Lance seemed to have a more limiting injury than just lingering soreness from a procedure at the beginning of the offseason.

I did not remember that. I do not remember him ever hurting it so was it a weight thing? To much pressure on it while lumbering around. I just do not recall him twisting it durning a game or anything.