Official Trade Thread: New Year, New Thread, New Laughs

[Revived]

I'd probably do that TASTIC, not sure about Boston though. I think very high on him and Sullinger there in Boston.

[Revived]

With RoLo dealing with injury and POR having to rely on the likes of the 90 year old cave man and Meyers Leonard, I could see POR being in the market for a C.

I'd offer them Plumlee for Thomas Robinson and their 1st rd pick.

Thomas Robinson has been a bust so far but he's also part of team FOE along with Markieff and Marcus. Just like we rescued Marcus from Houston, perhaps we could do the same thing with Robinson.

Robinson-Wright backup front court would have insane athleticism.

[Qwigglez]

I think Plumlee is pretty athletic himself. I hope we don't trade him for just a late first rounder or a tweener forward.

[Kerrsed]

I'd probably do that TASTIC, not sure about Boston though. I think very high on him and Sullinger there in Boston.

That is true. Boston is very high on Oly and Sullinger.

In the Plumlee Thread on the trade board, one idea that i saw that i liked was to send Plumlee out to OKC for Lamb/PJ3. I know some people on here were high on Lamb during the draft and everyone knows that i was SUPER HIGH on PJ3. I think i would trade Plumlee for one of the two, and that one would be........ JONES!

Lamb has really struggled with any playing time that he has gotten. Coming out of college he was touted as being this elite defender, but has shown none of that in the league.

At least with Jones, we would be getting a 6"11 225lb SF that has shown some flashes this season when Durant was out due to injury. His best game of the season was when he started against the Clippers where he scored 32 points (10-17), hit 3 3 pointers (3-6), had 7 rebounds, 3 assists and a block. He followed that up with a 20 point game, then a 16 point game, before his minutes were cut and he was sent back to the bench.

He might be a good pick-up if we are looking at trading the MoBros. I mean Keiff spends most of his time out by the 3 point line anyways and very little in the actual paint, so maybe Jones could also spend a few minutes playing PF as well.

Just a thought.

[Kerrsed]

With RoLo dealing with injury and POR having to rely on the likes of the 90 year old cave man and Meyers Leonard, I could see POR being in the market for a C.

I'd offer them Plumlee for Thomas Robinson and their 1st rd pick.

Thomas Robinson has been a bust so far but he's also part of team FOE along with Markieff and Marcus. Just like we rescued Marcus from Houston, perhaps we could do the same thing with Robinson.

Robinson-Wright backup front court would have insane athleticism.

That would be an excellent idea, though i doubt that they would be too willing to part with a 1st round pick. Honestly, i'd do Plumlee for Robinson straight up. I have mentioned trying to get Robinson in the past month or so, dont think too many people were really on board with that idea at the time.

[Revived]

I don't think Robinson will ever be the guy that people expected him to be out of the draft but he could turn into a solid backup type player.

[Revived]

I think Plumlee is pretty athletic himself. I hope we don't trade him for just a late first rounder or a tweener forward.

Well if he wants out then we have to comply to his request.

[Kerrsed]

I hate to say it, but i still like the idea of trading IT/Green/Plumlee for Jefferson if we are looking to make a play-off push. 18/8/1 would help us out quite a bit.

Bledsoe/Ennis
Dragic/Goodwin/Bullock
Tucker/Morris/Warren
Jefferson/MkMorris
Len/Wright

IR: Zoran

[gaspar]

You are out of your mind if you think that Big Al can play PF, especially in Phoenix.

[nevetsov]

Plumlee for Marion and a pick? Looking more like we're committing to the playoff cause, can't hurt to shore up the bench with a cheap veteran if the rooks aren't playing anyway.

Bledsoe, IT
Goran, Green
Tucker, Marion
Markieff, Marcus
Len, Wright

[MathiasPW]

You are out of your mind if you think that Big Al can play PF, especially in Phoenix.

Also don't think he fits as a PF, same problem than with Monroe - clogging the paint.

And as a C he is not the best defender.

[thamadkant]

I'd probably do that TASTIC, not sure about Boston though. I think very high on him and Sullinger there in Boston.

That is true. Boston is very high on Oly and Sullinger.

In the Plumlee Thread on the trade board, one idea that i saw that i liked was to send Plumlee out to OKC for Lamb/PJ3. I know some people on here were high on Lamb during the draft and everyone knows that i was SUPER HIGH on PJ3. I think i would trade Plumlee for one of the two, and that one would be........ JONES!

Lamb has really struggled with any playing time that he has gotten. Coming out of college he was touted as being this elite defender, but has shown none of that in the league.

At least with Jones, we would be getting a 6"11 225lb SF that has shown some flashes this season when Durant was out due to injury. His best game of the season was when he started against the Clippers where he scored 32 points (10-17), hit 3 3 pointers (3-6), had 7 rebounds, 3 assists and a block. He followed that up with a 20 point game, then a 16 point game, before his minutes were cut and he was sent back to the bench.

He might be a good pick-up if we are looking ait trading the MoBros. I mean Keiff spends most of his time out by the 3 point line anyways and very little in the actual paint, so maybe Jones could also spend a few minutes playing PF as well.

Just a thought.

OkC were offering Perkins and Jones for Brook Lopez.

I think their FO are very stringent with trades similar to Morey. They trade only if they win it.

Jones for Plumlee I would assume an overpay from their FO's perspective.

[thamadkant]

Too many picky people in here.

I mean if Jefferson was ever targeted by the FO and got him... Do you guys actually think they would NOT adapt some half court plays for him? They would change the game style to suit their most talented big man I'm sure.

But the Suns are not targeting him so...

But just the pickiness of some Fans here as if Suns have a bunch of stars clamouring to play there at the moment.

[Flying Colors]

i'd be okay with keeping Plumlee too if there is nothing good out there, give him 8 minutes a game and tell it to him straight "If you want out, you better play your ass off"

[STEV13]

How awkward could it be though playing with a teammate who actually wants out. Geez.

[DRK]

Plumlee for Kevin Seraphin? Both coming off rookie contracts, and riding the bench for their respective teams.
Seraphin has some nice offensive skills, but lacks defense.

Would be worth a shot.

[Qwigglez]

I hate to say it, but i still like the idea of trading IT/Green/Plumlee for Jefferson if we are looking to make a play-off push. 18/8/1 would help us out quite a bit.

Bledsoe/Ennis
Dragic/Goodwin/Bullock
Tucker/Morris/Warren
Jefferson/MkMorris
Len/Wright

IR: Zoran

I would do it. Imagine AJ being able to teach Len some of his moves in the post. Plus, we were able to utilize Shaq when he was here, I'm sure we would be just fine with Jefferson.

[Kerrsed]

I hate to say it, but i still like the idea of trading IT/Green/Plumlee for Jefferson if we are looking to make a play-off push. 18/8/1 would help us out quite a bit.

Bledsoe/Ennis
Dragic/Goodwin/Bullock
Tucker/Morris/Warren
Jefferson/MkMorris
Len/Wright

IR: Zoran

I would do it. Imagine AJ being able to teach Len some of his moves in the post. Plus, we were able to utilize Shaq when he was here, I'm sure we would be just fine with Jefferson.

EXACTLY!

Im glad someone gets it! We were at out "7 seconds or less" prime when were brought on Shaq. We are nowhere near that speed anymore, and i have a feeling that McD is trying to set us up to take us away from that style of play. Hell, just watching the games, there are plenty of times where we walk it up the court on a made basket. Sure we rank 2nd in fast break points, but that doesnt mean that the whole team is on the offensive side of the floor when we score, usually its just 1 or 2 guys, and thats off a broken play or a steal.

Len is great on defense, but his offensive (Post) game is lacking. Most of his points come from put backs from rebounds or someone like Bledsoe drawing the defenders away so Len has an open dunk, so if he could pick up just a few moves from Jefferson that would be great. It would also help sharpen up his defense if he was forced to bang against Jefferson everyday in practice. When it comes to big men coaches, we have always lacked a real good one, and i believe that has been a reason why none of our C's ever really work out great.

We also really wouldnt be giving up that much for Jefferson either. Thomas is the biggest piece, and im sure that if Dragic/Bledsoe could rekindle what they had together last season at the expense of Thomas a lot of people would be ecstatic. I honestly dont believe that trading IT elsewhere will net us anything great in return anyways. We would also ship out Green/Plumlee. Is that a big loss to us? Nope.

Next season Jefferson becomes a huge expiring contract, and im sure we could move it for assets if thing didnt end up working out between the two of us.

[Sunsdeuce]

Thank you 1Upz and Lilfishi for actually reading my post and understanding my analysis.
You guys have seen me posting as a Suns supporter for years on the General and Trade Board so you must know where I am coming from.
Some others clearly have an issue with people who disagree with them and are hellbent on proving some sort of agenda that I frankly want nothing to do with.

My point stands. If we want to remain in a situation where we fight for the 8th seed and miss out year in and year out, keeping Len and all our current guys intact makes sense. My issue with such a frame of mind is simply that we are going to be stuck in this mediocrity perpetually if we don't make moves. Again, for those that keep arguing Len is better NOW than Noah, you're flat out wrong. Noah's raw numbers are down because he's now playing Gasol AND Mirotic and Gibson is still around. Those guys all get their own too, but most importantly, Gasol does best at C and therefore that has affected Noah greatly, not to mention his injury which has definitely deterred him. Noah is by far the better player today regardless of a small sample size of mediocre stats. He was the DPOY not too long ago, you don't go from being DPOY to Plumlee at the age of 29 without legitimate reasons.

My point was simply that some fans need to be much more objective about the assets we have instead of being homers and touting the proverbial horn. I gave the example of Plumlee which most of you witnessed first hand. He was playing out of his mind last year and clearly overachieving. Many of us wanted to move him this off-season when his value was at it's highest. Our FO held on too long and now we'd be happy if he netted us a late first. We've done that in the past with other players we drafted or developed. We wait too long with huge expectations only to later let that player go in FA or move then when value lowers due to whatever number of factors. I don't want to be in that position any longer, and the only way to avoid that is to capitalize on our assets when you can. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, and although some of you seem to believe Len is already that bird, he's barely hatched out of the egg. You don't know yet whether he's going to fly or whether he's a gimp, and you can't claim he's going to be a high flyer based on a ~20 game sample.

Your argument if completely wrong. You are placing blame for Noah numbers being down on players next to him. WRoNG!! Thankfully the front offfice will not make poor decisions like you attempting to do. Noah does not....I say again Noah does not make this team better if you trade len. Ben Wallace was a beast for a few years and different teams kept signing him. Yet he was never the same beast he was like his piston days. Noah is the same deal. He was a beast a few years ago but he isn't and won't be the same player. This all brings up another point, exactly what has Noah helped Chicago accomplish? They have done nothing. Noah is a perfect fit for Chicago, you take him out their system and his career is going to dive bomb more than it already has. Seen it before with players like him.

This team needs more of an Al Jefferson than it does a Noah type player if you want you make a strong playoff push. The Suns are dying for a real post player. One who can post up and get the easy points down low. One requires a double team. Suns need help with their half court offense. If the Suns get to the playoffs they need that (low post points) more than anything. The game slows down in the playoffs and you need that post player. Noah provides none of that.


You can argue your silly point all day and I will read it but bottom line is your wrong and either way Noah isn't coming to the Suns.

[TASTIC]

How about this one, trying to buy low on Batum while all shoring up our depth for the playoff push:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lot64jv

Suns get:
Batum
Arthur

Portland get:
Thomas
WChandler

Nuggets get:
Green
Plumlee

I'd then shift Tucker to the bench where his 3 and D and toughness would be improved by only playing 20-25mins. Batum is that third play-maker they want as well as being a much better ball-handler than Tucker. Only a 2 year contract as well so if Warren progresses we're not bogged down for 3-4yrs. Many on here like Arthur - just a no nonsense PF who has added a 3 to his repertoire this season too. Thomas is sent packing to a bench role again, but let's face it he likely belongs there. Frees up more minutes for Bled and Dragic with the second unit, as well as Ennis and Goodwin more PT, though we lose a LOT of 3pt shooting/jacking my sending both Green and Thomas out.

Len
Markieff
Batum
Dragic
Bledsoe
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Tucker
Mook
Ennis
Arthur
Bullock
Warren
Goodwin

If the bench is too thin it also works sending out Thomas + Plumlee and only getting Batum back...Sign Barron for that last big spot.