Jordan Farmar Has Been Waived

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I havent seen Farmar play this year. From the sounds of it, he was terrible. But is he worse than Austin Rivers?

Both suck

[Chronz]

I havent seen Farmar play this year. From the sounds of it, he was terrible. But is he worse than Austin Rivers?

Both suck

Yeah but Farmar has played better in the past. Is there any chance that Austin even comes close to being a league average producer? Ever?

[Ranma]

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I guess overseas "leadership" doesn't mean as much in the NBA, after all. Looks like crow is also off the menu.

I have no idea where you're getting the perception that he's a bad defender. He came from UCLA and he learned a lot on D when he played overseas. Farmar is a solid positional defender and incredibly feisty; he's also much stronger than Collison (and smarter).

He's a floor general and he did GREAT with the Nets when he was a starter. He was doing fantastic for LA last year until he got those 2 injuries. He's going to be a real, real, real pleasant surprise for everyone here.

Expecting Farmar to be a stand still shooter is completely under utilizing his skill set. Shows extreme naivete to his skill set. The Lakers don't win the playoff series against Houston if it wasn't for Farmar coming up HUGE after Fisher got suspended.

And I will be here to see y'all eating crow on him next year.

+/- is the dumbest stat out there and there's a reason why no one cites it at the MIT Sloan Analytics conference every year. I'm not president of the Farmar fanclub; I just recognize that he's not the scrub you see him as. He played when Deron was off the floor and last year he was just getting acclimated back in the NBA before getting injured.

He turned down $8 million/year from overseas where he was thriving as a leader to play in Los Angeles, so there's a strong motivation for him to stay in Los Angeles for the lifestyle (othwise it'd just be a terrible overall decision for him).

He went overseas during the lockout and frankly kicked ass, which is why he stayed overseas to grow as a player. That's not a crazy scenario (and again, he was getting paid $$$). Do I think he's worth $8 million a year in the NBA? Probably not, but maybe MLE+ depending on his play with the Clippers next year.

And I bold almost all my posts, especially when they're in responses to crazy fallacies and slurs (like citing +/- and implying Farmar couldn't get a minimal offer in the NBA).

Speaking of fallacies, you continue to misuse my words in your interpretation of them. Where did I say that Farmar "couldn't get a minimal offer in the NBA" when I just stated that he "has a place in the NBA with his skillset"? The two seem to be contradictory to me. Another fallacy would be citing Farmar's leadership ability and presumed success overseas as some how and in some way being relevant to NBA success. You know who else "kicked ass" overseas? Stephon Marbury, a player much more talented than Farmar, but similarly was hampered by his own sense of self and ego preventing him from achieving real NBA success. Farmar's leadership abilities thus far have led his three most recent NBA teams to an overall record of 73-157 for a 31.7% winning percentage, where he's played big roles for those respective ballclubs. Plus-minus may be incomplete (like I said), but I'll take that over "overseas kick-assery".

You're doing a better job than me of arguing that he belongs overseas playing basketball than in the NBA, so I don't get why you're up in arms when I point out his deficiencies. You're happy with Farmar as is. Well, good for you. You see what you want to see. I, on the other hand, want him to be better than he has been for our Los Angeles Clippers in order for us to achieve the ultimate goal of winning "Larry's".

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I havent seen Farmar play this year. From the sounds of it, he was terrible. But is he worse than Austin Rivers?

Both suck

Yeah but Farmar has played better in the past. Is there any chance that Austin even comes close to being a league average producer? Ever?

Better chance than Farmar I think.

I never liked Farmar that much, even at UCLA. Then he surprised everyone with a good vertical jump and was drafted in the first round. But I think he's mediocre both athletically and PG skill-wise.