Trade Targets (postcript on yesterday-other teams)

[KDBG]

Jazz fan here. Just wondering if what's Knight's status? Is he untouchable? Is he turning into a legitimate floor general or still kinda stuck in the combo guard mold? Regardless, his numbers are f***ing awesome this year. Not too far off from Kyrie actually. I admittedly haven't watched much of Knight this year though. I did see those highlights of those nasty dunks he had a few weeks back. I didn't know he had that in him.

Btw, I see some of you talking about Kanter. I think he's definitely available. I'm a Kanter fan, but Gobert and Favors have made him expendable. He's also not a great fit with all the ball movement in Quin Snyder's offense. The dude is a talented scorer, but needs to be on a team that is okay with him isolating on the low block, and letting him do work down low. He's been asked to play too much of a stretch 4 role here, and although he's a good outside shooter for his size, his bread and butter is his low post game.

[ReasonablySober]

Jazz fan here. Just wondering if what's Knight's status? Is he untouchable? Is he turning into a legitimate floor general or still kinda stuck in the combo guard mold? Regardless, his numbers are f***ing awesome this year. Not too far off from Kyrie actually. I admittedly haven't watched much of Knight this year though. I did see those highlights of those nasty dunks he had a few weeks back. I didn't know he had that in him.

Btw, I see some of you talking about Kanter. I think he's definitely available. I'm a Kanter fan, but Gobert and Favors have made him expendable. He's also not a great fit with all the ball movement in Quin Snyder's offense. The dude is a talented scorer, but needs to be on a team that is okay with him isolating on the low block, and letting him do work down low. He's been asked to play too much of a stretch 4 role here, and although he's a good outside shooter for his size, his bread and butter is his low post game.

Knight has been incredible. I don't think many here have a bad thing to say about him. It's definitely been clear that some of what made Kidd special (vision and all around floor-general ****) has rubbed off on Knight. I believe he could be one of the NBA's best point guards some day (maybe soon!) in the way that a guy like Chauncey Billups started slow but became elite.

That said, I think it would be best if our point guard of the future were taller. Like, say, 6'6". If the Jazz have a guy like that I'm sure a deal could PROBABLY be worked out.

[AussieBuck]

[KDBG]

That said, I think it would be best if our point guard of the future were taller. Like, say, 6'6". If the Jazz have a guy like that I'm sure a deal could PROBABLY be worked out.

Interesting, cause I was just thinking the only guy you guys would give up Knight for would be Exum. But it's a risk for both parties, Jazz give up limitless potential for a closer to finished product. While the Bucks would be giving up arguably their best player for an unknown.

The Jazz are in a weird predicament right now where all we're really missing is a really good PG. Gobert, Favors, and Hayward are ready for primetime, but it might take until they are all in their mid to late 20s when and if Exum pans out. Knight would be an absolutely perfect fit for the Jazz right now who expect their PGs to be good shooters.

As for the Bucks, Greek Freek, Jabari, and Exum would be league-pass material, and maybe contenders in the next 3-5 years. A 6'6 PG with a 6'11 SG would be nuts.

[M-C-G]

That said, I think it would be best if our point guard of the future were taller. Like, say, 6'6". If the Jazz have a guy like that I'm sure a deal could PROBABLY be worked out.

Interesting, cause I was just thinking the only guy you guys would give up Knight for would be Exum. But it's a risk for both parties, Jazz give up limitless potential for a closer to finished product. While the Bucks would be giving up arguably their best player for an unknown.

The Jazz are in a weird predicament right now where all we're really missing is a really good PG. Gobert, Favors, and Hayward are ready for primetime, but it might take until they are all in their mid to late 20s when and if Exum pans out. Knight would be an absolutely perfect fit for the Jazz right now who expect their PGs to be good shooters.

As for the Bucks, Greek Freek, Jabari, and Exum would be league-pass material, and maybe contenders in the next 3-5 years. A 6'6 PG with a 6'11 SG would be nuts.

Just an FYI, he is messing with you...Half the board hates Knight, he is really more of a small 2 guard.

[KDBG]

That said, I think it would be best if our point guard of the future were taller. Like, say, 6'6". If the Jazz have a guy like that I'm sure a deal could PROBABLY be worked out.

Interesting, cause I was just thinking the only guy you guys would give up Knight for would be Exum. But it's a risk for both parties, Jazz give up limitless potential for a closer to finished product. While the Bucks would be giving up arguably their best player for an unknown.

The Jazz are in a weird predicament right now where all we're really missing is a really good PG. Gobert, Favors, and Hayward are ready for primetime, but it might take until they are all in their mid to late 20s when and if Exum pans out. Knight would be an absolutely perfect fit for the Jazz right now who expect their PGs to be good shooters.

As for the Bucks, Greek Freek, Jabari, and Exum would be league-pass material, and maybe contenders in the next 3-5 years. A 6'6 PG with a 6'11 SG would be nuts.

Just an FYI, he is messing with you...Half the board hates Knight, he is really more of a small 2 guard.

Ya'll are a**holes, haha. At least I admitted that I hadn't watched him play. I just saw his numbers. Well that's good to know now, and maybe I should watch more of his games. Well played though, I totally fell for that s***.

EDIT: I know numbers aren't everything, but almost a 19 PER is nothing to scoff at either, regardless if he's a tiny 2 guard.

[M-C-G]

Interesting, cause I was just thinking the only guy you guys would give up Knight for would be Exum. But it's a risk for both parties, Jazz give up limitless potential for a closer to finished product. While the Bucks would be giving up arguably their best player for an unknown.

The Jazz are in a weird predicament right now where all we're really missing is a really good PG. Gobert, Favors, and Hayward are ready for primetime, but it might take until they are all in their mid to late 20s when and if Exum pans out. Knight would be an absolutely perfect fit for the Jazz right now who expect their PGs to be good shooters.

As for the Bucks, Greek Freek, Jabari, and Exum would be league-pass material, and maybe contenders in the next 3-5 years. A 6'6 PG with a 6'11 SG would be nuts.

Just an FYI, he is messing with you...Half the board hates Knight, he is really more of a small 2 guard.

Ya'll are a**holes, haha. At least I admitted that I hadn't watched him play. I just saw his numbers. Well that's good to know now, and maybe I should watch more of his games. Well played though, I totally fell for that s***.

EDIT: I know numbers aren't everything, but almost a 19 PER is nothing to scoff at either, regardless if he's a tiny 2 guard.

He drives a lot of people mad, because a lot of times when he "turns on" his athleticism he turns off his brain. But yeah, his shooting has been fantastic, and he can pretty much create for himself any time he wants. He just needs to learn to use that to create for others and he could be a very good player. But it can be a painful process to watch develop sometimes.

[KDBG]

He drives a lot of people mad, because a lot of times when he "turns on" his athleticism he turns off his brain. But yeah, his shooting has been fantastic, and he can pretty much create for himself any time he wants. He just needs to learn to use that to create for others and he could be a very good player. But it can be a painful process to watch develop sometimes.

Sounds not too far off from his scouting reports before the draft. I hope he turns the corner, and learns to be a true floor general.

Well, we got two PGs that drive us crazy in Burke and Exum. I know both are young, but just stating the facts of how they are right now. Burke has the swagger, but lacks the physical tools and has horrendous decision making skills. While Exum has all the physical tools in the world, but might be the most timid NBA player I've ever seen. No hyperbole. Brandon Jennings had almost as little experience as Exum at the same age, yet never had confidence issues (Yes, I'm aware he was one of the biggest chuckers ever for you guys, but I'm strictly talking of confidence here). Exum might get that swagger later on, but right now it's very concerning seeing how scared he is to even attempt to step one foot into the paint. He also doesn't nearly ever dribble with his left hand. I've seen plenty of bigmen with a better handle then Exum. Exum has got great vision though.

[Matches Malone]

Saw this on my timeline. Nothing of substance from Kyler on the Lawson front but thought that tidbit about the Bucks preferring Knight as a 2 was interesting.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/stevekylerNBA/status/557304150313426944[/tweet]

[paulpressey25]

I'm down for exploring a Kanter trade if the price is right. I understand we'd have to sort out the defensive issues, but he's only 22 and got some real skills.

His confidence and stats are going to plummet as Gobert takes over. Utah arguably needs to sell now on him or alternatively try to get him cheaper in the off-season as a bench center.

[KDBG]

I'm down for exploring a Kanter trade if the price is right. I understand we'd have to sort out the defensive issues, but he's only 22 and got some real skills.

His confidence and stats are going to plummet as Gobert takes over. Utah arguably needs to sell now on him or alternatively try to get him cheaper in the off-season as a bench center.

Yeah, that's sort of the dilemma. Trying get him cheaper in the off-season seems too risky, cause I think his confidence will be destroyed sooner rather than later on this team. He's a "pat my back" sort of guy. So a change of scenery is good for him and for the Jazz, imo.

[Giannis Parker]

Saw this on my timeline. Nothing of substance from Kyler on the Lawson front but thought that tidbit about the Bucks preferring Knight as a 2 was interesting.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/stevekylerNBA/status/557304150313426944[/tweet]

I think I posted like 40 times that the Bucks envision Knight at the SG spot in the "lets all hate Knight thread" (aka his contract thread).

[Matches Malone]

I think I posted like 40 times that the Bucks envision Knight at the SG spot in the "lets all hate Knight thread" (aka his contract thread).

Why do you think they haven't moved Knight there yet? Lack of other point guard options? Seems that if they envision him as a SG that they would implement that already.

[KDBG]

:lol:

Since you're an Aussie, what's your take on Exum? I've watched almost every Jazz game this season, and he's really a mixed bag. Unreal potential though. There is just a huge worry amongst a lot of Jazz fans that we may have drafted a guy to be an alpha dog, who's content to be just a role player. This has nothing to do with stats, and everything to do with his body language. Quin Snyder has been quoted numerous times that he's basically fed up with Dante being so passive, and keeps asking him to be aggressive. Yet Dante continually gets rid of the ball and parks in the corner so he can avoid going in the paint. It's crazy, I've never seen anything like it from an NBA player.

[tski1972]

Saw this on my timeline. Nothing of substance from Kyler on the Lawson front but thought that tidbit about the Bucks preferring Knight as a 2 was interesting.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/stevekylerNBA/status/557304150313426944[/tweet]

I think I posted like 40 times that the Bucks envision Knight at the SG spot in the "lets all hate Knight thread" (aka his contract thread).

if this is true why haven't they done it? They had Marshall, Bayless and Wolters to run the point.

[BobbyLight]

Marshall can't play defense. No one wants Bayless starting. Those 2 are bench guards. I think Kidd has left Knight at point to start because he feels his other options are more limited, which I'd agree with.

[ChuckBros4Life]

Knight and Middleton for Exum?

I guess it depends if Jazz want to wait on Exum's development or not. They have some nice pieces in place to become a decent team soon with a few moves.

[KDBG]

I think I posted like 40 times that the Bucks envision Knight at the SG spot in the "lets all hate Knight thread" (aka his contract thread).

Why do you think they haven't moved Knight there yet? Lack of other point guard options? Seems that if they envision him as a SG that they would implement that already.

This is why I think the old school "true PG" is slowly dying off. I think we need to start redefining how we interpret what a PG is. Just looking at the individual assist leaders, I don't ever think I've seen them this low since I've been watching the NBA the last 20 years. It's probably a combination of the game evolving, and AAU basketball killing the importance of player development and teaching kids how to be true PGs. Also, the emphasis of ball movement with NBA teams now, and less on isolation may have an affect there too.

What do I want from my PGs in today's NBA? Constantly being in attack mode and putting pressure on the D, but not forcing touch shots either. Playing within the flow of the offense, and just being a playmaker. Steph Curry might have been considered a ball hog 10 years ago, but now he's the quintessential PG of today's NBA. The same can probably be said with Lillard.

I've already admitted to not seeing much of Knight as a Jazz fan. I just saw a guy who what one of the best PERs out of a PG in the NBA, and is leading a playoff contender, albeit in the lowly Eastern Conference. That must count for something. From what I've been reading today on this board, he needs to be mentally in the game more, and create for his teammates an not just for himself. But damn, coming from a Jazz fan, feel lucky that you have at least something remotely resembling an NBA PG. The Jazz might have the worst PG rotation in the league right now.

[EastSideBucksFan]

Knight and Middleton for Exum?

I guess it depends if Jazz want to wait on Exum's development or not. They have some nice pieces in place to become a decent team soon with a few moves.

I'd add the Clips 1st to that package as well.

Exum/Giannis/Parker would be a sick core.

[ChuckBros4Life]

Knight and Middleton for Exum?

I guess it depends if Jazz want to wait on Exum's development or not. They have some nice pieces in place to become a decent team soon with a few moves.

I'd add the Clips 1st to that package as well.

Exum/Giannis/Parker would be a sick core.

Definitely would be willing to add that to get it done. If they ask for our 2015 first though it'd be tough decision, but if they threw in Rodney Hood or something I'd do it.