Trade Targets (postcript on yesterday-other teams)

breakchains · Post #2661 » by **breakchains** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 12:47 am

For the record, I'd definitely roll the dice on Exum. I just think that our board has been higher on him than warranted, going back to pre-draft when some wanted him at #2. But I would give up some of our assets for him, even if it might not work out. Type of move that would excite me quite a bit.

bigkurty · Post #2662 » by **bigkurty** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 12:50 am

breakchains wrote:For the record, I'd definitely roll the dice on Exum. I just think that our board has been higher on him than warranted, going back to pre-draft when some wanted him at #2. But I would give up some of our assets for him, even if it might not work out. Type of move that would excite me quite a bit.

It would definitely get us back on track for the "own the future" moniker

TheWig · Post #2663 » by **TheWig** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 12:53 am

I wouldn't mind giving up our '15 1st round pick for Exum if that's what it took to get him.

KDBG · Post #2664 » by **KDBG** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 12:54 am

bigkurty wrote:Damn, that's scary. That makes him such a huge gamble.

It is. The thing I'm scared of the most is Exum not showing any major kind of improvement in the next year or two. If he doesn't, his value plummets. You guys remember how Michael Beasley was considered a can't miss prospect along with Derrick Rose? I remember a bunch of fan bases on here said they would give up a lot for a potential 20/10 big. Fast forward like a year and a half, and that dude's value was almost non-existent after that. I've always been a believer that high draft picks, and players picked in the lottery in general are usually overvalued.

AussieBuck · Post #2665 » by **AussieBuck** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 12:58 am

KDBG wrote:
AussieBuck wrote::lol:

Since you're an Aussie, what's your take on Exum? I've watched almost every Jazz game this season, and he's really a mixed bag. Unreal potential though. There is just a huge worry amongst a lot of Jazz fans that we may have drafted a guy to be an alpha dog, who's content to be just a role player. This has nothing to do with stats, and everything to do with his body language. Quin Snyder has been quoted numerous times that he's basically fed up with Dante being so passive, and keeps asking him to be aggressive. Yet Dante continually gets rid of the ball and parks in the corner so he can avoid going in the paint. It's crazy, I've never seen anything like it from an NBA player.

I loved what I saw at first at Utah. Hitting open threes, showing a lot of promise defensively and I figured he was just trying to fit in playing within himself to start out. Maybe he's just a young guy a bit overwhelmed but he is worrying me a little. I've seen similar but I won't say who from, it's a bit depressing. Maybe he'll come out next season and burst out of the blocks, it would be a shame if all that talent came to nothing.

breakchains · Post #2666 » by **breakchains** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 12:58 am

KDBG wrote:
bigkurty wrote:Damn, that's scary. That makes him such a huge gamble.

It is. The thing I'm scared of the most is Exum not showing any major kind of improvement in the next year or two. If he doesn't, his value plummets. You guys remember how Michael Beasley was considered a can't miss prospect along with Derrick Rose? I remember a bunch of fan bases on here said they would give up a lot for a potential 20/10 big. Fast forward like a year and a half, and that dude's value was almost non-existent after that. I've always been a believer that high draft picks, and players picked in the lottery in general are usually overvalued.

This is exactly the reason to ESBF who wasn't sure why they'd move him. There is definitely a level of concern, I am sure, in that org about what he actually is. There isn't that one season of college ball to fall back on either, so the thought has likely entered into their heads about whether he was even worthy of the #5 pick in the first place even given the data at the time.

If we actually did like him a lot predraft, we should definitely call them and inquire. My guess is that they will stay put because only the ballsiest of teams will move from a young player that soon (e.g. Mike Lombardi moving Trent Richardson the following year at a diminished value - #3 overall vs. late 1st round - but ultimately was a brilliant asset management move if you set aside the fact that they drafted him that high in the first place).

WeekapaugGroove · Post #2667 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 1:02 am

KDBG wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:Kanter is somewhat intriguing because he's a talented offensive player. But since I think Parker will spend most of his time at the 4 I would be worried they would be the worst 4-5 defensive duo in the NBA.

Yeah... Kanter and Favors are statically awful defensively, and Favors has always been known as a good defensive player. That tells you something right there. In most cases, Gobert and Kanter would be a perfect pairing. But Favors isn't going anywhere, so Kanter is naturally the odd man out.

yeah would have to assume Kanters the odd man out. Can't see them giving him an extension this summer. He's kinda hard to trade though since he's needs they right fit system and roster construction wise to be effective. I think he ultimately gets traded over the next month but no idea where or at what value.

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KDBG · Post #2668 » by **KDBG** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 1:04 am

This is why the Jazz are so high on Gobert, and why Kanter's days are numbered. These are his stats since the beginning of January: 31 minutes, 10 pts, 9.2 rebs, 4.2 blks., 1.2 stls. He's even dished out nearly 2 assists a game. He's also shooting 62% FG on the season. Such a game changer.

EDIT: Wow, forgot the most important stat of all. He's leading the league in rim protection at allowing like 38%. We've seriously gone from probably the worst defensive team in the league, to a pretty respectable one just because of Gobert getting more minutes.

Post #2669 » by **ReasonablySober** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 1:06 am

KDBG wrote:This is why the Jazz are so high on Gobert, and why Kanter's days are numbered. These are his stats since the beginning of January: 31 minutes, 10 pts, 9.2 rebs, 4.2 blks., 1.2 stls. He's even dished out nearly 2 assists a game. He's also shooting 62% FG on the season. Such a game changer.

Yea, I don't doubt that he's off the table, barring some kind of star-return package. True defensive anchors are gold in the NBA.

Baddy Chuck · Post #2670 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 1:08 am

KDBG wrote:This is why the Jazz are so high on Gobert, and why Kanter's days are numbered. These are his stats since the beginning of January: 31 minutes, 10 pts, 9.2 rebs, 4.2 blks., 1.2 stls. He's even dished out nearly 2 assists a game. He's also shooting 62% FG on the season. Such a game changer.

EDIT: Wow, forgot the most important stat of all. He's leading the league in rim protection at allowing like 38%. We've seriously gone from probably the worst defensive team in the league, to a pretty respectable one just because of Gobert getting more minutes.

Keep him away from weed and nightclubs.

mlloyd10 · Post #2671 » by **mlloyd10** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 1:09 am

What do you think kanter would cost?

KDBG · Post #2672 » by **KDBG** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 1:11 am

Baddy Chuck wrote:Keep him away from weed and nightclubs.

He'll have no problem here with our archaic liquor laws in Utah. And all strip clubs close at 2 am. I'd know since I sorta like that alcohol stuff... It's much easier to stay home and drink and enjoy Utah's scenery, lol.

breakchains · Post #2673 » by **breakchains** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 1:12 am

Not really interested in Kanter, personally.

KDBG · Post #2674 » by **KDBG** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 1:13 am

mlloyd10 wrote:What do you think kanter would cost?

I would think a protected 1st at the most. Although he's not unrestricted, he'll still be a free agent next year, which hurts his value I would think.

GHOSTofSIKMA · Post #2675 » by **GHOSTofSIKMA** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 1:23 am

AussieBuck wrote:
KDBG wrote:
AussieBuck wrote::lol:

Since you're an Aussie, what's your take on Exum? I've watched almost every Jazz game this season, and he's really a mixed bag. Unreal potential though. There is just a huge worry amongst a lot of Jazz fans that we may have drafted a guy to be an alpha dog, who's content to be just a role player. This has nothing to do with stats, and everything to do with his body language. Quin Snyder has been quoted numerous times that he's basically fed up with Dante being so passive, and keeps asking him to be aggressive. Yet Dante continually gets rid of the ball and parks in the corner so he can avoid going in the paint. It's crazy, I've never seen anything like it from an NBA player.

I loved what I saw at first at Utah. Hitting open threes, showing a lot of promise defensively and I figured he was just trying to fit in playing within himself to start out. Maybe he's just a young guy a bit overwhelmed but he is worrying me a little. I've seen similar but I won't say who from, it's a bit depressing. Maybe he'll come out next season and burst out of the blocks, it would be a shame if all that talent came to nothing.

come on..you can say. whose the similar? and whats your worst case right now? i dedicated more time in the offseason researching him than any player ever coming out.

you know I wasn't high on him but im sure you've watched every minute and I haven't. whats your gut now?

Baddy Chuck · Post #2676 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 1:35 am

GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:come on..you can say. whose the similar?

Probably Knight.

AussieBuck · Post #2677 » by **AussieBuck** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 1:44 am

GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:
AussieBuck wrote:
KDBG wrote:Since you're an Aussie, what's your take on Exum? I've watched almost every Jazz game this season, and he's really a mixed bag. Unreal potential though. There is just a huge worry amongst a lot of Jazz fans that we may have drafted a guy to be an alpha dog, who's content to be just a role player. This has nothing to do with stats, and everything to do with his body language. Quin Snyder has been quoted numerous times that he's basically fed up with Dante being so passive, and keeps asking him to be aggressive. Yet Dante continually gets rid of the ball and parks in the corner so he can avoid going in the paint. It's crazy, I've never seen anything like it from an NBA player.

I loved what I saw at first at Utah. Hitting open threes, showing a lot of promise defensively and I figured he was just trying to fit in playing within himself to start out. Maybe he's just a young guy a bit overwhelmed but he is worrying me a little. I've seen similar but I won't say who from, it's a bit depressing. Maybe he'll come out next season and burst out of the blocks, it would be a shame if all that talent came to nothing.

come on..you can say. whose the similar? and whats your worst case right now? i dedicated more time in the offseason researching him than any player ever coming out. you know I wasn't high on him but im sure you've watched every minute and I haven't. whats your gut now?

It's not that similar, the first guy was older and had pro experience so he came in with existing confidence which faded with every physical challenge he saw until he faded from relevancy. I'm not saying that Exum is the same nut-less wonder but the possibility has crossed my mind. I'd still trade a heap for him.

KDBG · Post #2678 » by **KDBG** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 2:13 am

AussieBuck wrote:It's not that similar, the first guy was older and had pro experience so he came in with existing confidence which faded with every physical challenge he saw until he faded from relevancy. I'm not saying that Exum is the same nut-less wonder but the possibility has crossed my mind. I'd still trade a heap for him.

Yeah, I haven't entirely given up on Exum. But you would just think he would have at least one game this year where it was like, "okay, in 3 years this guy will have great games like this all the time." Not one game have I seen that. Not even close. I just hope that sleeping giant is somewhere deep inside him. I wish we could have the cocky version of Exum from NBA 2k15. If any of you haven't played it, in one of the modes Exum is your main rival, and he is a total d-bag, lol.

Mr Anonymous · Post #2679 » by **Mr Anonymous** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 2:20 am

Zero point getting your hopes up about the possibility of Exum becoming available. Bucks have no interest even if the price tag were lowered somewhat. At the point the assets going out would be low enough to make the FO consider him, he would long since have been traded elsewhere.

raferfenix · Post #2680 » by **raferfenix** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 2:24 am

I'd like to think that Jason Kidd could get the most out of a young PG like Exum.

His size mixed with great court vision but poor shooting is plenty similar.

Also, if Utah is going to risk Kanter walking (or trade him) they might really value John Henson as part of a package.