ESPN - Does Draymond Green deserve a max deal?

[NBlue]

This year's numbers:

Draymond Green: 44% shooter, 33% from 3, 8 RPG, 4 assists, 1.5 blocks, 1.5 steals, 15.9 PER, 11.8 points

Tobias Harris: 47% shooter, .405% from 3, 7 rebounds, 2 assists, .6 blocks, 1.1 steals, 17.4 PER, 18 points

I'm a Magic fan. Love Tobias. Don't think Tobias should get the max (not that its being considered). Damn sure don't think Green is a max player.

The article literally talks about how Draymond Green's value is in all the intangibles and defensive versatility and stuff that does not show up on boxscore stats, and now you're comparing numbers. It's like comparing Bruce Bowen's numbers to Wes Johnson and saying they are players of equal value.

I think its fair to say that Draymond Green has a ton of value in both intangibles and his ability to play D. There is massive value to that. I also think its rare (perhaps impossible) for a player to get a max deal -- or even close to that -- based on such factors. When we are talking max deals (or close to it) a player is paid based on his numbers not whether he is a good glue guy.

I find it interesting that the universal response has been to laugh off the Tobias comparison. If I'm not mistaken both of these dudes are RFA's next year and I will be very interested to see both of their contracts. The stats would reflect that Tobias is a better shooter, has the better PER and is a significantly better percentage shooter from 3. I think it is also undeniable that Green is a far better defender. I think its unclear who is a better "team guy" but conventional wisdom is that's Green, certainly.

Before the season Harris was apparently looking for $12M+ per year (its unclear where exactly he was looking) -- that's not max money but its close. If Draymond Green is as valued for his intangibles as the majority here seem to think I would assume he would sign for more than that, right? Or, could it possibly be that a glue guy on a squad with the splash brothers and one of the best defensive centers in the NBA is able to shine in his role on both ends of the floor but won't be able to translate that success into being one of the top 1-2 players on another team... I guess we'll see.

[cpower]

This year's numbers:

Draymond Green: 44% shooter, 33% from 3, 8 RPG, 4 assists, 1.5 blocks, 1.5 steals, 15.9 PER, 11.8 points

Tobias Harris: 47% shooter, .405% from 3, 7 rebounds, 2 assists, .6 blocks, 1.1 steals, 17.4 PER, 18 points

I'm a Magic fan. Love Tobias. Don't think Tobias should get the max (not that its being considered). Damn sure don't think Green is a max player.

The article literally talks about how Draymond Green's value is in all the intangibles and defensive versatility and stuff that does not show up on boxscore stats, and now you're comparing numbers. It's like comparing Bruce Bowen's numbers to Wes Johnson and saying they are players of equal value.

I think its fair to say that Draymond Green has a ton of value in both intangibles and his ability to play D. There is massive value to that. I also think its rare (perhaps impossible) for a player to get a max deal -- or even close to that -- based on such factors. When we are talking max deals (or close to it) a player is paid based on his numbers not whether he is a good glue guy.

I find it interesting that the universal response has been to laugh off the Tobias comparison. If I'm not mistaken both of these dudes are RFA's next year and I will be very interested to see both of their contracts. The stats would reflect that Tobias is a better shooter, has the better PER and is a significantly better percentage shooter from 3. I think it is also undeniable that Green is a far better defender. I think its unclear who is a better "team guy" but conventional wisdom is that's Green, certainly.

Before the season Harris was apparently looking for $12M+ per year (its unclear where exactly he was looking) -- that's not max money but its close. If Draymond Green is as valued for his intangibles as the majority here seem to think I would assume he would sign for more than that, right? Or, could it possibly be that a glue guy on a squad with the splash brothers and one of the best defensive centers in the NBA is able to shine in his role on both ends of the floor but won't be able to translate that success into being one of the top 1-2 players on another team... I guess we'll see.

i think AK47 was the closest thing compared to Green, great defender and rebounder, could pass and score if needed. He got a massive contract because of that.

[TheKingofSting]

What is Green's max number?

[lakerhater]

All I'll say is if your team ends up prying him away from GSW you better have a quality core in place to add him to otherwise he'll end up getting misused and you'll regret the signing.

In the end I don't think it matters because Draymond knows where his bread is buttered and he'll cut a deal with GSW and stay with his squad for the long term.

[mojosodope]

This year's numbers:

Draymond Green: 44% shooter, 33% from 3, 8 RPG, 4 assists, 1.5 blocks, 1.5 steals, 15.9 PER, 11.8 points

Tobias Harris: 47% shooter, .405% from 3, 7 rebounds, 2 assists, .6 blocks, 1.1 steals, 17.4 PER, 18 points


I'm a Magic fan. Love Tobias. Don't think Tobias should get the max (not that its being considered). Damn sure don't think Green is a max player.

Trade teams with Harris and Green at the beginning of the year and the Magic would be top contenders in the East and with Harris GSW would be struggling to make the playoffs.

just comical

[Domejandro]

I would give him the max without the slightest of hesitation. He is a terrific fit on the Minnesota Timberwolves. It is too bad he will never sign with us.

For reference...

Ricky Rubio, Andrew Wiggins, Shabazz Muhammad, Draymond Green, and Gorgui Dieng would be the starters

Kevin Martin, Nikola Pekovic, and our high pick (Karl Towns/Stanley Johnson/D'Angelo Russel) would be our studs off of the bench.

I feel Bennett will develop into a solid player once he stops playing around the perimeter. There is also LaVine who is not developed at all yet. Robbie Hummel is our tenth man of the future and we may bring over Nemanja Bjelica (our Serbian stash) for the Mid Level Exception. Add a back up Point Guard (I would be thrilled with trying to groom Nate Wolters) and that is a pretty insane young core.

Too bad it will never happen.

[treefi]

This year's numbers:

Draymond Green: 44% shooter, 33% from 3, 8 RPG, 4 assists, 1.5 blocks, 1.5 steals, 15.9 PER, 11.8 points

Tobias Harris: 47% shooter, .405% from 3, 7 rebounds, 2 assists, .6 blocks, 1.1 steals, 17.4 PER, 18 points


I'm a Magic fan. Love Tobias. Don't think Tobias should get the max (not that its being considered). Damn sure don't think Green is a max player.

Green is considerably better at basketball than Harris. Shows you what "stats" are worth. Whatever Harris is really worth then Green deserves double.

LOL! Yeah, switch Harris with Green and watch what happens... Both can play PF, by the way... Green's shooting percentages would plummet.. Tobias would THRIVE on Golden State. I watched Draymond at MSU, he is a great player but definitely not a MAX player. That is crazy talk. He is not a 'great' 3-point shooter like some are saying. He is an average shooter(above average for a 4) average rebounder(below average for a 4), above average passer(elite as a 4) and great defensively.. but all the DPOY nonsense is just that.. nonsense.

I actually think they are pretty comparable players.. talking about what their value should be on the open market.. Since Tobias is two years younger, I'd take him over Green for the Pistons.. Especially if both cost 'the MAX' lol

[treefi]

This year's numbers:

Draymond Green: 44% shooter, 33% from 3, 8 RPG, 4 assists, 1.5 blocks, 1.5 steals, 15.9 PER, 11.8 points

Tobias Harris: 47% shooter, .405% from 3, 7 rebounds, 2 assists, .6 blocks, 1.1 steals, 17.4 PER, 18 points


I'm a Magic fan. Love Tobias. Don't think Tobias should get the max (not that its being considered). Damn sure don't think Green is a max player.

Trade teams with Harris and Green at the beginning of the year and the Magic would be top contenders in the East and with Harris GSW would be struggling to make the playoffs.

just comical

Very comical.

~From a Pistons fan

[treefi]

All I'll say is if your team ends up prying him away from GSW you better have a quality core in place to add him to otherwise he'll end up getting misused and you'll regret the signing.

In the end I don't think it matters because Draymond knows where his bread is buttered and he'll cut a deal with GSW and stay with his squad for the long term.

Yeah, he'll stay with GS. He is smart and knows he is not a franchise player in the NBA. He would fit well in Detroit with SVG as a 4, but again.. for the max.. I just don't see it guys.

That's a potential contract that can screw over your entire franchise even if he improves his production across the board.. but hey, it's the NBA! Who knows.

He is DYNAMITE as the 4th or 5th guy. If a team signs him to the max expecting him to be their best player.. and he turns out to be their 2nd or 3rd best player.. Fans aren't going to be happy.. Suddenly 33% 3-point shooting wouldn't be a 'good thing'.

[markdeez33]

He's worth maybe 7-8 mil a year TOPS

[treefi]

Would GS fans pay Draymond the max before they would say, Klay Thompson?

[treefi]

He's worth maybe 7-8 mil a year TOPS

I can see 10 mil.. but that's only if he is not playing out of his mind right now(which I suspect he is, following his career at MSU) and continues to thrive in the role GS has for him.

[Prokorov]

only if the goal is to make him the most overpaid player in the spot

[old rem]

My NBA All-Defensive 1st team this year is:

Rajon Rondo
Jimmy Butler
Pau Gasol
Anthony Davis
Tony Allen

you got one right, it's

Wall
Roberson
Duncan
Green
Allen

Hard to narrow it to 5 "all D . At SG....Jimmy Butler and Klay Thompson. C? well... there's M Gasol..D Jordan, D Howard... and does A Davis make it as PF or C? Dray Green.. needs to be in there somewhere. tim Dancan does not cover as much ground-or get the blocks he used to.. but his D is still very good. Rondo? Well.. on Boston it just was too off and on. As good as ATL is.. maybe Teague, Horford earn some votes. SG specialists...Roberson, T Allen, Sefalosha.. D as well as Butler and Klay.. but the tie goes to the guy s who have other skills too.

[GoBobs]

Defense is a mentality players either have or they don't. There are a few guys in the league that play with an energy level that rubs off on teammates at that end of the floor like Noah, MKG, and Green. Guys like Tobias Harris, Kevin Love, or Irving will never have it.

The only way to win a chip if you don't have the best collection of stars in the league is to have a squad that plays great team defense (2004 Pistons). This makes guys like Green move valuable.

I would say he is worth 8-10. A team would have to pay 12+ to have a chance at prying him away from the warriors and I would be alright with my team doing that. I think they will match though.

Now if his 3pt% drops to like the 24-28% range that is going to affect his value a lot, so while I think he is currently worth a big offer it is a little scary at the same time.

[Revived]

Will this Grizzlies series end up costing Green money?

IMO, he's still an elite defender and he can handle his own against most bigs, just not the Grizz bigs. I know people will make a bigger deal out of this than they should but keep in mind the Grizz do have the best front court in the NBA easily.

[CalathesD]

Hell to the no.

[DaKnicksAreBack]

He's going to get the max, but he isn't worth it.

[turk3d]

I agree with those who say no. But neither did Parsons and Hayward (nor do I think that Middleton or Carroll are worth it but I'm hearing that they might get it) imo. The only one who I'd say might have been is Thompson. But that's not going to stop dumb GMs from doling it out. I think if after these playoffs (especially if the Warriors lose) he's probably looking at a max of 10-12 from the Warriors. And if the Pistons or someone like them decide to go all out and give it to him, than I can see them either letting him walk or doing a S & T possibly.

[laploutocratie]

He's had a pretty Cinderella-esque season for a role player. Based on the narrative built around him, you would have though he was the next coming of Scottie Pippen. He's had JVG vehemently arguing that he should be an all-star, the media bandwagoners nearly voting him DPOY, and got away with trash talking other teams/players freely without having accomplished anything himself. His confidence must have been pretty swollen with all those compliments.