Trade Targets (postcript on yesterday-other teams)

[stellation]

I'm not too concerned about Exum. He hasn't been assertive at all and that definitely is an issue that needs to be addressed, but saying he's been horrible is silly. He's a young kid and a long term project.

[drew881]

come on..you can say. whose the similar? and whats your worst case right now? i dedicated more time in the offseason researching him than any player ever coming out. you know I wasn't high on him but im sure you've watched every minute and I haven't. whats your gut now?

It's not that similar, the first guy was older and had pro experience so he came in with existing confidence which faded with every physical challenge he saw until he faded from relevancy. I'm not saying that Exum is the same nut-less wonder but the possibility has crossed my mind. I'd still trade a heap for him.[/quote]

Jennings? I haven't watched Exum much, but I'd think Jennings showed a lot more his rookie year to date, even if you take away the 55 point game. Granted he was also given the keys immediately.

[AussieBuck]

Jennings? I haven't watched Exum much, but I'd think Jennings showed a lot more his rookie year to date, even if you take away the 55 point game. Granted he was also given the keys immediately.

Nah not Jennings.

[KDBG]

I'm not too concerned about Exum. He hasn't been assertive at all and that definitely is an issue that needs to be addressed, but saying he's been horrible is silly. He's a young kid and a long term project.

I don't think it's unfair to call him horrible right now. Although I wouldn't quite call him horrible myself, he's been very underwhelming for even the low expectations that were set for him. Most criticisms I've had for him are things that are harder to fix. Mainly the assertiveness issue, and the ball handling. In the NBA as a PG, you HAVE to have at least above average ball handling skills because how effective dribble penetration is for that position. Exum's skills are way below average for a PG. It's rare that I've seen anyone vastly improve their ball handling in their NBA career. Same can be said for mental makeup, even moreso because mental makeup isn't even a skill, it's a personality trait.

It's not like I don't want him to succeed, cause I want him to succeed in the worst way. I would much rather have Exum make me look stupid by turning into a stud eventually. All I'm doing is stating the facts right now, and right now he hasn't looked good.

[imithanos]

A. Trahair??

[Plossum]

Exum is just too raw to make any sort of accurate judgment this year. He's a guy taken straight from Australian high school on his physical measurements.

he looks overwhelmed out there now. He can do more but looks scared to stuff up so is content to play well within himself and defer to others. It's not ideal but understandable. His confidence will grow but it will be interesting to see how hard he can push himself.

He's a kid thrust into a man's world who needs time to see if he has it. It'll probably be at least year 3 before we know what he is.

[KDBG]

Exum is just too raw to make any sort of accurate judgment this year. He's a guy taken straight from Australian high school on his physical measurements.

he looks overwhelmed out there now. He can do more but looks scared to stuff up so is content to play well within himself and defer to others. It's not ideal but understandable. His confidence will grow but it will be interesting to see how hard he can push himself.

He's a kid thrust into a man's world who needs time to see if he has it. It'll probably be at least year 3 before we know what he is.

All that you said is true. But my point earlier was that it's kinda like the stock market with these really green prospects, and team building in general. Always try to sell high. The Jazz will have to watch carefully what's out there on the open market, and compare it where they most believe Exum's trajectory is at that moment. Wait too long, and he doesn't develop, we then have a useless asset. Tbh, Gobert changed everything. No longer do we have to depend Exum becoming the face of the franchise. We now already have it in Gobert. If you watch any Jazz games in the future, you'll notice that the Jazz have an actual identity now because of his play, particularly on defense. Now we can speed up the rebuilding process since we only have one or two missing pieces. We can actually make some bold decisions instead of being ultra conservative and patient with Exum. If the Jazz were a bottom 3 team, with no real core, I'd be more than happy to wait and see if Exum pans out. But we now have three awesome players in Gobert, Favors, and Hayward that I would hate to see play their prime years waiting for players like Exum to maybe develop.

[RRyder823]

Exum is just too raw to make any sort of accurate judgment this year. He's a guy taken straight from Australian high school on his physical measurements.

he looks overwhelmed out there now. He can do more but looks scared to stuff up so is content to play well within himself and defer to others. It's not ideal but understandable. His confidence will grow but it will be interesting to see how hard he can push himself.

He's a kid thrust into a man's world who needs time to see if he has it. It'll probably be at least year 3 before we know what he is.

All that you said is true. But my point earlier was that it's kinda like the stock market with these really green prospects, and team building in general. Always try to sell high. The Jazz will have to watch carefully what's out there on the open market, and compare it where they most believe Exum's trajectory is at that moment. Wait too long, and he doesn't develop, we then have a useless asset. Tbh, Gobert changed everything. No longer do we have to depend Exum becoming the face of the franchise. We now already have it in Gobert. If you watch any Jazz games in the future, you'll notice that the Jazz have an actual identity now because of his play, particularly on defense. Now we can speed up the rebuilding process since we only have one or two missing pieces. We can actually make some bold decisions instead of being ultra conservative and patient with Exum. If the Jazz were a bottom 3 team, with no real core, I'd be more than happy to wait and see if Exum pans out. But we now have three awesome players in Gobert, Favors, and Hayward that I would hate to see play their prime years waiting for players like Exum to maybe develop.

Knight, Henson n Middleton for Exum n Kanter lets make it happen then

[raferfenix]

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What do we think -- would Henson for Kanter be worth it / get a deal done?

[SkilesTheLimit]

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What do we think -- would Henson for Kanter be worth it / get a deal done?

From our end, yes. Henson is garbage.

Kanter is actually good.

[KDBG]

Knight, Henson n Middleton for Exum n Kanter lets make it happen then

I would be really tempted by that. Still got a little bit of hope in Exum, but that would be tempting for me if I was a GM. I'd be a little more aggressive at certain opportunities though. I doubt Dennis Lindsey (Jazz GM) pulls the trigger on anything ballsy like that this season. That's just my gut. My gut also tells me if this deal was even on the table, Dennis would ask for a 1st I bet as well considering that Exum is still seen as far from a finished product with room to grow. All I know though is that the presence of Knight and Middleton would pay huge immediate dividends to our offense. For an offense based off of spacing and ball movement, we can always use more shooters. Also, the combo guard or mini 2 guard issue with Knight wouldn't be as big of a deal with Utah. Quin Snyder's offense is supposed to be "positionless" in the sense that we have multiple ball handlers.

I just hope Exum has at least one break out game this season to show SOMETHING, so I don't have to fantasize about these make believe trades all the time, lol.

[Plossum]

If your GM traded Exum before a minimum of three years he should be fired. His learning curve is much steeper than any rookie I can remember in recent times (given his draft position and trajectory).

You don't sell highly speculative stock at the first sign of turmoil.

[KDBG]

Another trade that would might make sense is Kanter, Burke, and Utah's unprotected 2015 unprotected 1st for Knight, Middleton. Probably not as exciting as Exum's potential, but the unprotected pick would for sure be a top 10 pick, maybe even top 7 if we didn't improve much. Burke has played like ass this season for the most part though, and his absolute ceiling is probably homeless man's Kemba Walker. Burke IS clutch as hell with 2 winning shots in his career already. I'm obviously being biased with this trade as a Jazz fan, cause we could at the very least have a stop gap PG in Knight, while seeing if Exum pans a few years from now. So I'm sure most of you would say "hell to the no". I could actually see a trade like this (not necessarily with you guys) be more likely with our conservative front office.

[KDBG]

If your GM traded Exum before a minimum of three years he should be fired. His learning curve is much steeper than any rookie I can remember in recent times (given his draft position and trajectory).

You don't sell highly speculative stock at the first sign of turmoil.

Never said right away necessarily. I was speaking in terms of the next year or two for the most part. My point was that if you don't see major improvement at all in that time span, you have damaged goods. Thomas Robinson was the #5 draft pick in 2012. Utah was known to desperately be trying to trade up to #5 to get Lillard. From what I heard, Sacramento wouldn't budge. Also from what I heard, we offered a package with Paul Millsap. Then Robinson was subsequently traded halfway through the year for garbage basically. It's not as crazy as it sounds when you take away the #5 pick label from Exum, and the 19 year old label. That's why I said before I've always believed "prospects" and lottery picks are way too overvalued in the NBA. Yes, Exum's ceiling is higher than Robinson's ever was, but hearing about lottery picks getting traded earlier than expected isn't some new thing in the NBA. It's the unnecessary hype of the so-called legendary 2014 draft that made unreal expectations for all of these players, when in reality there was never a LeBron, Durant, or even a Lillard in this draft.

Also with Exum, I've said it a million times already, the most glaring thing is his timid as f*** personality. There's not just a magic on and off switch with someone's mental state. When you add that on top of all his rawness, it's a scary thing to see as a fan.

[Insomniaac]

Another trade that would might make sense is Kanter, Burke, and Utah's unprotected 2015 unprotected 1st for Knight, Middleton. Probably not as exciting as Exum's potential, but the unprotected pick would for sure be a top 10 pick, maybe even top 7 if we didn't improve much. Burke has played like ass this season for the most part though, and his absolute ceiling is probably homeless man's Kemba Walker. Burke IS clutch as hell with 2 winning shots in his career already. I'm obviously being biased with this trade as a Jazz fan, cause we could at the very least have a stop gap PG in Knight, while seeing if Exum pans a few years from now. So I'm sure most of you would say "hell to the no". I could actually see a trade like this (not necessarily with you guys) be more likely with our conservative front office.

Done. I think a large portion of this board would be ecstatic about a trade like this.

[KDBG]

Another trade that would might make sense is Kanter, Burke, and Utah's unprotected 2015 unprotected 1st for Knight, Middleton. Probably not as exciting as Exum's potential, but the unprotected pick would for sure be a top 10 pick, maybe even top 7 if we didn't improve much. Burke has played like ass this season for the most part though, and his absolute ceiling is probably homeless man's Kemba Walker. Burke IS clutch as hell with 2 winning shots in his career already. I'm obviously being biased with this trade as a Jazz fan, cause we could at the very least have a stop gap PG in Knight, while seeing if Exum pans a few years from now. So I'm sure most of you would say "hell to the no". I could actually see a trade like this (not necessarily with you guys) be more likely with our conservative front office.

Done. I think a large portion of this board would be ecstatic about a trade like this.

Really? Interesting. It makes the most sense because our GM has said that we have too many young players and that we need to start adding veterans sooner rather than later, which alludes to that we might not be keeping our draft pick this year.

[Roughy2]

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[Balls2TheWalls]

Without a doubt you make that trade if you are the Bucks. The 2015 draft pick is the best thing in the trade, bar none.

[imithanos]

I wouldn't do the trade. The roster needs balance. And balance would come with a Center, whose primary strengths are Rebounding and Defense. A Gobert, a Hibbert, a Sanders from 2 seasons ago. Not Kanter. We already have Parker as a good scorer and Giannis can easily become a 15+ppg player. If we also had a solid scorer as SG or a tall PG so we could move Knight at 2, then we would be really balanced as a team.

[Prince12]

I expect us to way overpay knight. A trade that brings a nice young centre and an unprotected 1st without screwing ourselves financially by moving knight? Yes please!