Trade Targets (postcript on yesterday-other teams)

[paulpressey25]

What type of contract do you think Kanter gets this summer? I have a hard time gauging his value. He's skilled but not sure how many teams he fits system and roster wise.

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Given that all bigs get paid and the cap going up, I'd say 4/$48 is the minimum needed to start a conversation with him.

A team like the Lakers might get hammered in FA and he'd be their second tier of guys that they'd overpay to come away with something.

[yoshii8]

I'm still hoping for Stauskus over pretty much anybody we have the chance of getting.

[tski1972]

if people are interested in Kanter, is anyone interested in Meyers Leonard?

[ReasonablySober]

if people are interested in Kanter, is anyone interested in Meyers Leonard?

I'm not interested in Kanter or Leonard, but I'd much rather have the guy who'll come at a third of the price.

[Treebeard]

if people are interested in Kanter, is anyone interested in Meyers Leonard?

I'm not interested in Kanter or Leonard, but I'd much rather have the guy who'll come at a third of the price.

Is there any guy out there you see - that might be available, within the Bucks reach, that fits Kidd's profile of a passing, rebounding, center (like a several years younger Zaza...) ?

[randy84]

I think Miles Plumlee and Archie Goodwin would help with a lot of the problems. I think they could be had for relative cheap. Maybe you also ask Suns about one of their PGs.

[mlloyd10]

I think Miles Plumlee and Archie Goodwin would help with a lot of the problems. I think they could be had for relative cheap. Maybe you also ask Suns about one of their PGs.

See if they want Middleton and call it a day

or

Goodwin/Plumlee/Ennis for Middleton/Henson/Clippers 2017 1st

[WeekapaugGroove]

I think Miles Plumlee and Archie Goodwin would help with a lot of the problems. I think they could be had for relative cheap. Maybe you also ask Suns about one of their PGs.

I'm a fan of both team and agree that they would be nice additions for the bucks. Don't think they will be super cheap though. They reportedly want a 1st rounder for plumlee and they like Goodwin more than plumlee so it's not like they will give him away for a second rounder or scraps. Thomas might actually have a cheaper price tag.

The next 8 games for the suns are all against playoff teams and will probably be the determining factor of what they do at the deadline. If they play well they might look to move a young asset for an extra piece. If they don't and get passed by OKC then don't be surprised to see them sell a couple vets and open up playing time for guys like Archie.

Both dragic and green are free agents this summer. They want to bring Goran back but if he leaves Archie is the 1st in line to take over his SG spot.



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[machu46]

if people are interested in Kanter, is anyone interested in Meyers Leonard?

I'm not interested in Kanter or Leonard, but I'd much rather have the guy who'll come at a third of the price.

Is there any guy out there you see - that might be available, within the Bucks reach, that fits Kidd's profile of a passing, rebounding, center (like a several years younger Zaza...) ?

Not saying these guys are available, but just some guys that aren't absolute stars but seem to fit Kidd's profile a bit:

The Zellers (not sure if the stats back them up, but I've always thought they were talented in terms of passing from watching them in college)
McGary
O'Quinn
Henry Sims

And one guy that came up in a Pro-Basketball-Reference search for big men that pass is Ognjen Kuzmic (playing with the Warriors, AST% of 11.4% this year).

[emunney]

if people are interested in Kanter, is anyone interested in Meyers Leonard?

I'm not interested in Kanter or Leonard, but I'd much rather have the guy who'll come at a third of the price.

Is there any guy out there you see - that might be available, within the Bucks reach, that fits Kidd's profile of a passing, rebounding, center (like a several years younger Zaza...) ?

O'Quinn

[Lippo]

Damn wish we signed Whiteside instead of Kenyon. Loved the kid in the draft 3-4 years ago, he fell to the 2nd ,we took Hobson and Jordan a few slots later (should have trade up a few spots and nabbed him). Ship sailed on getting him now.

Would Miami do a Middleton for Hassan now?

[Matches Malone]

I'm not interested in Kanter or Leonard, but I'd much rather have the guy who'll come at a third of the price.

Is there any guy out there you see - that might be available, within the Bucks reach, that fits Kidd's profile of a passing, rebounding, center (like a several years younger Zaza...) ?

O'Quinn

That's the guy I like.

[KDBG]

Another trade that would might make sense is Kanter, Burke, and Utah's unprotected 2015 unprotected 1st for Knight, Middleton.

That trade isn't even legal, and why would the Jazz give up a 1st + a player they just extended for two guys that are free agents at the end of the year?

One, it is legal, I checked on the trade machine. Two, you're obviously getting Burke and Burks mixed up. Burks was extended and Burke is on his rookie contract. Three, in my opinion a pick that's likely to be late lottery in a weaker draft then last year isn't worth as much as you think. I already went off on how ridiculously overvalued draft picks are. And four, we could match on any offer for Knight and Middleton. Unless they did something crazy like sign the one-year qualifying offer, which is extremely rare.

[tski1972]

Mayo is really upping his value. Last 5 games...

15pts/3reb/3asst 57%FG/61% 3pt

[KDBG]

Another trade that would might make sense is Kanter, Burke, and Utah's unprotected 2015 unprotected 1st for Knight, Middleton.

That trade isn't even legal, and why would the Jazz give up a 1st + a player they just extended for two guys that are free agents at the end of the year?

Agreed with aValpo. If we were to trade Knight (Doubtful) it's likely to be a team contending for the playoffs and want that extra push. I just don't see a team trading for him knowing he's due a big contract, unless you're a team like the Lakers or Knicks who are interested in signing Knight to begin with.

One, it is legal, I checked on the trade machine. Two, you're obviously getting Burke and Burks mixed up. Burks was extended and Burke is on his rookie contract. Three, in my opinion a pick that's likely to be late lottery in a weaker draft then last year isn't worth as much as you think. I already went off on how ridiculously overvalued draft picks are. And four, we could match on any offer for Knight and Middleton. Unless they did something crazy like sign the one-year qualifying offer, which is extremely rare.

And to Matches Malone, the Jazz have amazing cap flexibility right now, and in the future. We could take a chance matching both Knight and Middleton, while hoping Exum develops. If Exum develops well, we can flip Knight a few years from now. If Exum is a bust, and Knight turns into a core piece, we can use Exum as an asset.

[mlloyd10]

Another trade that would might make sense is Kanter, Burke, and Utah's unprotected 2015 unprotected 1st for Knight, Middleton. Probably not as exciting as Exum's potential, but the unprotected pick would for sure be a top 10 pick, maybe even top 7 if we didn't improve much. Burke has played like ass this season for the most part though, and his absolute ceiling is probably homeless man's Kemba Walker. Burke IS clutch as hell with 2 winning shots in his career already. I'm obviously being biased with this trade as a Jazz fan, cause we could at the very least have a stop gap PG in Knight, while seeing if Exum pans a few years from now. So I'm sure most of you would say "hell to the no". I could actually see a trade like this (not necessarily with you guys) be more likely with our conservative front office.

In a second I would do this

[emunney]

For reference, Jazz would get the 6th most lotto balls today and would have a better than 1 in 5 shot at a top 3 pick.

[M-C-G]

I'd be surprised if most Jazz fans were on board with that deal...I'd probably be willing to add a first on our side if it meant Exum was coming back in the deal.

[paulpressey25]

Mayo is really upping his value. Last 5 games...

15pts/3reb/3asst 57%FG/61% 3pt

Sell, Sell, Sell!



With Marshall out, Mayo is going to get a lot of PT now. More so than previously.

[Ron Swanson]

Not sure I understand the appeal of PJ3. Can't stretch the defense, doesn't rebound, doesn't pass and doesn't create turnovers.

I think he just needs some consistent PT. I'd roll the dice and see what he can do this year and next without having to sit behind Ibaka and Durant. He did look good in extended stretches when Durant was out earlier in the year.

Beats having to (most likely) overpay Middleton in free agency IMO.

Just a hunch, but I think Middleton gets underpaid this summer. He's not putting up a high volume amount of shots and his box score stats look underwhelming. I think he gets paid somewhere along the lines of what Meeks and McRoberts got, between $5.5-$6.5 million per over 4 years.

I'd be pretty happy to get him on that kind of deal.

I hope so, but I have my doubts. I see a Meeks like deal being the minimum of what he gets offered. Meeks was 4 years older and only had one season of shooting above 40% from three for his career. Middleton is 23 and is working on back-to-back seasons of +40% 3-pt shooting. Not to mention he has good size, can play both wing positions, and has good defensive potential.

Shooters get paid and I don't think that kind of efficiency will go unnoticed. I can feasibly see a team offering him 3-yrs $24 mil in anticipation of the rising cap, and that'd be a little too pricey for my tastes.