Official Trade Thread: New Year, New Thread, New Laughs

[LukasBMW]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=p6bdjn5

Bledsoe
Dragic/Green
Tucker/Marcus
Markieff/Wright
Jefferson/Len

Deep Bench:
Ennis
Bullock
Zoron
Warren

I think we compete for the West NOW with that lineup.

[MrMiyagi]

STAHP TRADING ARCHIE!!!!!!!!

[carey]

Something's gotta give here soon.

-IT wants to start.

-Dragic may not stay if IT stays

-Plumlee wants a trade

-Archie is starting to complain

And to a lesser extent:

-Green wants to showoff his skills so he can get paid.

-TJ and Tyler are going to want NBA minutes.

The good news is that IT, Plumlee, and Archie, and draft picks can be an appealing package for a rebuilding team.

All this after winning 13 of last 17, can you imagine what it would be like if we were losing?

[Revived]

Something's gotta give here soon.

-IT wants to start.

-Dragic may not stay if IT stays

-Plumlee wants a trade

-Archie is starting to complain

And to a lesser extent:

-Green wants to showoff his skills so he can get paid.

-TJ and Tyler are going to want NBA minutes.

The good news is that IT, Plumlee, and Archie, and draft picks can be an appealing package for a rebuilding team.

All this after winning 13 of last 17, can you imagine what it would be like if we were losing?

This "winning 13 of last 17" stuff is flawed because we've had an incredibly schedule so far. Beating teams like Minneota, Philly, Lakers etc for most of those isn't that impressive. It should be expected.

If they can "win 13 of the next 17 games" with going actualy getting tough, then it will be impressive and I doubt we hear any players complaining.

[thamadkant]

Archie Goodwin hasnt done anything, probably never will, and Miles Plumlee is the best 3rd string center in the league. who cares about either.

several of you have an obsession with archie, and i really dont know why.

Because he has potential.

I bet you were similar about Len last year.... actually let me search for that.

Lol
Yeah as I typed that bit about Len I could of sworn I took notes on the believers and doubters from the draft thread... That's why I added that "let me search for that" bit.

Well doesn't change my mind that McD is also right on the Goodwin draft. He and Hornacek even said Goodwin had he stayed another year would of been top 10 pick last year.

[thamadkant]

The only win streak that is impressive is Hawks... The stats offense/defense is showing they are legit.

[Zelaznyrules]

Something's gotta give here soon.

-IT wants to start.

-Dragic may not stay if IT stays

-Plumlee wants a trade

-Archie is starting to complain

And to a lesser extent:

-Green wants to showoff his skills so he can get paid.

-TJ and Tyler are going to want NBA minutes.

The good news is that IT, Plumlee, and Archie, and draft picks can be an appealing package for a rebuilding team.

All this after winning 13 of last 17, can you imagine what it would be like if we were losing?

This "winning 13 of last 17" stuff is flawed because we've had an incredibly schedule so far. Beating teams like Minneota, Philly, Lakers etc for most of those isn't that impressive. It should be expected.

If they can "win 13 of the next 17 games" with going actualy getting tough, then it will be impressive and I doubt we hear any players complaining.

It isn't that flawed, 9 of those 17 games were against playoff contenders and it was a road heavy schedule too. That stretch included 11 away games and 3 sets of back to backs. It was much easier than what we're about to go through but our really easy stretch came earlier in the season when we were at our worst. Asking us to win 13 of the next 17 games to prove we're for real is a bit much, we'll be lucky to win 9 of the next 17.

[Qwigglez]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=p6bdjn5

Bledsoe
Dragic/Green
Tucker/Marcus
Markieff/Wright
Jefferson/Len

Deep Bench:
Ennis
Bullock
Zoron
Warren

I think we compete for the West NOW with that lineup.

I'd do it. But your lineup is wrong. I'd start Jefferson and Len. Jefferson and Markieff doesn't make much for a sturdy front court. Kieff and Wright will be a good combo off the bench. We'd have to give up a first to Charlotte though if they were to take us seriously.
BTW Charlotte isn't too far out of the playoff race. They been battling injuries most of the season, and they have won 7 out of the their last 10 games, so they might not want to make any huge trades.

[batsmasher]

STAHP TRADING ARCHIE!!!!!!!!

The dude has done nothing wrong. He wants this team to win and wants to be part of their plans. It's not an outrageous request.

[NaturalBuns]

Archie has the right to complain. He's good enough to be getting minutes but on the wrong team to do that.

[TASTIC]

I like Archie as much as the next guy - check last year's draft thread and you'll see I thought he was the best pick we made last year, but the dude has NOT worked on his game. He can say what he wants but his shot is still way off and his handles are not good when he's pressured/

He is shooting 45% in the D-League and ONLY FIFTY PERCENT from the line. 16-32 in 5 games is not acceptable for ANY guard, especially one who's game is built on speed, slashing and drawing contact.

For a league with bloated stats, efficiency is what he should be working on - only 7-20 on 3s as well isn't flash.

He might be another DJ Strawberry; that elusive blend of talent, promise, youth and athleticism - but just never gets it all together.

Voicing like he did is not acceptable, questioning the organisation is NOT the way to endear yourself to your coach or your GM or the franchise in general. Keep your head down, keep dropping 25-30 points, playing good D and play hard at training.

The dude is 20.

He literally has one big game against the Kings and one big dunk on Jonas. There are hints and tastes of what he CAN do, but he can't do them at the NBA level on a consistent basis - if he could, you can't tell me Hornacek wouldn't have seen it during practive and wouldn't be playing him like he has with Len.

TONS of players are annoyed and frustrated with their minutes I'm sure, what makes him so special? I hate Plumlee asking for a trade when the team is winning because that's as selfish as you can get in a team sport, but at least he has a full season as a starter under his belt.

Look at his D-league stats, he has REGRESSED in every stat:



The only thing he's improved is his build and cutting his turnover rate a lot. Where are the improved assist numbers? The improved outside shot? The improved rebounding and defensive stats? They simply aren't there.

Get better and then expect a call up, cos at the moment he's just whining and coming off like the 20 year millionaire he is.

[Revived]

I like Archie as much as the next guy - check last year's draft thread and you'll see I thought he was the best pick we made last year, but the dude has NOT worked on his game. He can say what he wants but his shot is still way off and his handles are not good when he's pressured/

Spoiler:

He is shooting 45% in the D-League and ONLY FIFTY PERCENT from the line. 16-32 in 5 games is not acceptable for ANY guard, especially one who's game is built on speed, slashing and drawing contact.

For a league with bloated stats, efficiency is what he should be working on - only 7-20 on 3s as well isn't flash.

He might be another DJ Strawberry; that elusive blend of talent, promise, youth and athleticism - but just never gets it all together.

Voicing like he did is not acceptable, questioning the organisation is NOT the way to endear yourself to your coach or your GM or the franchise in general. Keep your head down, keep dropping 25-30 points, playing good D and play hard at training.

The dude is 20.

He literally has one big game against the Kings and one big dunk on Jonas. There are hints and tastes of what he CAN do, but he can't do them at the NBA level on a consistent basis - if he could, you can't tell me Hornacek wouldn't have seen it during practive and wouldn't be playing him like he has with Len.

TONS of players are annoyed and frustrated with their minutes I'm sure, what makes him so special? I hate Plumlee asking for a trade when the team is winning because that's as selfish as you can get in a team sport, but at least he has a full season as a starter under his belt.

Look at his D-league stats, he has REGRESSED in every stat:



The only thing he's improved is his build and cutting his turnover rate a lot. Where are the improved assist numbers? The improved outside shot? The improved rebounding and defensive stats? They simply aren't there.

Get better and then expect a call up, cos at the moment he's just whining and coming off like the 20 year millionaire he is.

Goodwin honestly doesn't look like he gives an ish about the D league anymore. His FT shooting hasn't even been a problem in the NBA.

He's shooting 73% from the FT in the NBA for this season. That's not bad at all. 70% for his career.

As a rookie, Goodwin averaged very similar per-minute stats to Monta Ellis. Goodwin posted 14.6 points, 6.5 rebounds and 1.5 assists per 40 minutes, with a true shooting percentage of 50.7 and a below-average PER (10.34); meanwhile, Ellis averaged 15.1 points, 4.7 rebounds and 3.5 assists per 40 minutes, with a true shooting percentage of 48.6 and a PER of 11.13 in his rookie campaign. The real difference between the two was in the volume of which they played.

Goodwin’s per game statistics paled in comparison to Ellis’, as he averaged less than four points per outing, while playing just 10.3 minutes a night. It wasn’t like Goodwin was ineffective when he was on the court though, as he played well given extended minutes. In games that Goodwin saw at least 19 minutes of playing time, he averaged 17.3 points and 4.8 rebounds, while shooting 71.1% from the floor. Those numbers are nothing to scoff at.

Even this season, Goodwin has made the most of his playing time, and that isn’t limited to just how he’s played on the Suns. When Goodwin has been sent down to Bakersfield, he’s thrived, putting up ridiculous stat lines left and right.

In Goodwin’s D-League debut last year, he posted 32 points and 8 rebounds, and followed it up the very next day with a 27-point, 4-rebound performance. Goodwin would close out his first stint with the Jam by dropping 28 and 25 points on back-to-back nights, while adding an average of 6.0 rebounds in just 30.5 minutes per game. It’s been the same story this season, as he scored 29 points on 12-of-18 shooting in his first game in the D-League, playing only 32 minutes in a Jam victory.

As far as Goodwin is concerned, the question isn’t whether or not he can be a successful player, but rather whether or not he’ll have the opportunity to show what he can do against NBA competition. However, at the end of the day, one problem remains; if Goodwin isn’t on the court, he missing out on valuable NBA experience

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[King4Day]

If we trade Plumlee, anyone else think we'll then sign Barron?

[Qwigglez]

I thought it was Alando Tucker who was killing it in the D-League for us quite a few year ago. Putting up better numbers than Archie is. if I remember correctly.
Goodwin needs to improve his weak areas and he'll be fine. Maybe his numbers are down because he is shooting more jumpers or working on other aspects of his game, idk because I have never watched his D-League games. He needs to bulk up another 20lbs too.

[Flying Colors]

he will get his chance next season once gerald is gone

[Sunsdeuce]

Nick young trying to recruit (Goran) for the Lakers. If I'm the lakers, I don't think I want young talking to anyone. Lol


"Well, the former L.A. Cleveland High and USC product grew up idolizing the Lakers and remembers how customary it became for them to host championship parades. But the man who playfully labeled himself this season as the NBA’s best all-time shooter also argued he will play a significant role this offseason in helping the Lakers attract marquee free agents. “I told Goran Dragic on the court, ‘You might be my teammate next year.’” Young told the L.A. News Group shortly after the Lakers’ loss on Monday to the Phoenix Suns. “I’ll talk to Marc (Gasol.) Me and him are cool. Kevin Love, I’ll talk to him.” Los Angeles Daily News

[jcsunsfan]

I would trade Goodwin for Stauskas. Of course it would take more but I would include him. Shooters are more valuable.

[TASTIC]

Nick young trying to recruit (Goran) for the Lakers. If I'm the lakers, I don't think I want young talking to anyone. Lol


"Well, the former L.A. Cleveland High and USC product grew up idolizing the Lakers and remembers how customary it became for them to host championship parades. But the man who playfully labeled himself this season as the NBA’s best all-time shooter also argued he will play a significant role this offseason in helping the Lakers attract marquee free agents. “I told Goran Dragic on the court, ‘You might be my teammate next year.’” Young told the L.A. News Group shortly after the Lakers’ loss on Monday to the Phoenix Suns. “I’ll talk to Marc (Gasol.) Me and him are cool. Kevin Love, I’ll talk to him.” Los Angeles Daily News

F young.

He might be the most delusional player in the entire NBA. He bought into the own hype HE created...

Plus I doubt Dragic forgets this:
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfYh9iW4ZN4[/youtube]

[TASTIC]

I like Archie as much as the next guy - check last year's draft thread and you'll see I thought he was the best pick we made last year, but the dude has NOT worked on his game. He can say what he wants but his shot is still way off and his handles are not good when he's pressured/

Spoiler:

He is shooting 45% in the D-League and ONLY FIFTY PERCENT from the line. 16-32 in 5 games is not acceptable for ANY guard, especially one who's game is built on speed, slashing and drawing contact.

For a league with bloated stats, efficiency is what he should be working on - only 7-20 on 3s as well isn't flash.

He might be another DJ Strawberry; that elusive blend of talent, promise, youth and athleticism - but just never gets it all together.

Voicing like he did is not acceptable, questioning the organisation is NOT the way to endear yourself to your coach or your GM or the franchise in general. Keep your head down, keep dropping 25-30 points, playing good D and play hard at training.

The dude is 20.

He literally has one big game against the Kings and one big dunk on Jonas. There are hints and tastes of what he CAN do, but he can't do them at the NBA level on a consistent basis - if he could, you can't tell me Hornacek wouldn't have seen it during practive and wouldn't be playing him like he has with Len.

TONS of players are annoyed and frustrated with their minutes I'm sure, what makes him so special? I hate Plumlee asking for a trade when the team is winning because that's as selfish as you can get in a team sport, but at least he has a full season as a starter under his belt.

Look at his D-league stats, he has REGRESSED in every stat:



The only thing he's improved is his build and cutting his turnover rate a lot. Where are the improved assist numbers? The improved outside shot? The improved rebounding and defensive stats? They simply aren't there.

Get better and then expect a call up, cos at the moment he's just whining and coming off like the 20 year millionaire he is.

Goodwin honestly doesn't look like he gives an ish about the D league anymore. His FT shooting hasn't even been a problem in the NBA.

He's shooting 73% from the FT in the NBA for this season. That's not bad at all. 70% for his career.

As a rookie, Goodwin averaged very similar per-minute stats to Monta Ellis. Goodwin posted 14.6 points, 6.5 rebounds and 1.5 assists per 40 minutes, with a true shooting percentage of 50.7 and a below-average PER (10.34); meanwhile, Ellis averaged 15.1 points, 4.7 rebounds and 3.5 assists per 40 minutes, with a true shooting percentage of 48.6 and a PER of 11.13 in his rookie campaign. The real difference between the two was in the volume of which they played.

Goodwin’s per game statistics paled in comparison to Ellis’, as he averaged less than four points per outing, while playing just 10.3 minutes a night. It wasn’t like Goodwin was ineffective when he was on the court though, as he played well given extended minutes. In games that Goodwin saw at least 19 minutes of playing time, he averaged 17.3 points and 4.8 rebounds, while shooting 71.1% from the floor. Those numbers are nothing to scoff at.

Even this season, Goodwin has made the most of his playing time, and that isn’t limited to just how he’s played on the Suns. When Goodwin has been sent down to Bakersfield, he’s thrived, putting up ridiculous stat lines left and right.

In Goodwin’s D-League debut last year, he posted 32 points and 8 rebounds, and followed it up the very next day with a 27-point, 4-rebound performance. Goodwin would close out his first stint with the Jam by dropping 28 and 25 points on back-to-back nights, while adding an average of 6.0 rebounds in just 30.5 minutes per game. It’s been the same story this season, as he scored 29 points on 12-of-18 shooting in his first game in the D-League, playing only 32 minutes in a Jam victory.

As far as Goodwin is concerned, the question isn’t whether or not he can be a successful player, but rather whether or not he’ll have the opportunity to show what he can do against NBA competition. However, at the end of the day, one problem remains; if Goodwin isn’t on the court, he missing out on valuable NBA experience

http://valleyofthesuns.com/2015/01/16/a ... n-the-mix/

I get what you mean but when your only 'platform' is practice and the D-League, SHOW WHAT YOU CAN DO.

He can't say he's too good for the D-League if he isn't being efficient and dropping 25pts 47-50%FG and 78%+ from the line.

PROVE you deserve to be in the NBA long term.

I agree with the other guys he'll be Green's replacement, but he needs to be patient and he needs to work on that broken shot. When he shoots a 3 it looks like a PF or C is being forced to take it, his form is horrible and still too low - same at the line.

[Frank Lee]

NotSo taking some heat for his poor choice of or-else words .... I think Tastic may have nailed it with the DJ Straw comparison. IMO, Archie is a poster boy for 'One and Done-ers' .... they carry that on to the pros with a One contract and Done. A souring attitude will do nothing to keep him here. And I have always though he will be a 'toss in' in any deal needing $$ or prospects to make work.

PS... he needs to continue working on his game.... and on his Italian