Official Trade Thread: New Year, New Thread, New Laughs

[Kerrsed]

When asked didnt Mc D also say flat out that Plum actually has NOT asked for a trade.... I was on the phone and trying to listen at the same time but I thought that's what I heard.

Anyone have an answer to this? I'm curious about this also.

That's correct. Said he's a big part of what they do, was a starting C for a 48 win team last year. Not looking to move him at this time.

Its one of those things...... The reports said his agent was asking for Plumlee to be traded. Thats what agents get paid to do, so the player can deny and not look like the bad guy.

I believe Plumlee wants out. Yeah, he was a starter for us last season, then was demoted to a back-up halfway through what we have played this season, then had his minutes cut down even more from there once we traded for Wright. He see's the writing on the wall, and given an opportunity to be an actual back-up for a different team, i think he would take it in a heart beat.

Honestly, i wouldnt even consider him a big part of what we did last season. He was there and a starter because we had no one else. He wasnt a "big part" of our offense and certainly wasnt a "big part" of our defense either. He was just kinda there.

[lilfishi22]

I agree with you SF88.

Its hard to judge how good Goodwin when he doesnt get any minutes. Sure you can look at his work in the D-League, but thats not the NBA. I would like to see what he can do when paired next to Bledsoe or Dragic. I want to see what he can do when on a real team in a real league with real teammates. Give him some damn minutes, either he sinks or swims.

One issue that people arnt factoring in is the salary. We just paid IT over $7M. Even if Archie was playing great, its hard for the team to give him minutes over a guy they just spent a ton of cash on, whether that be Bledsoe, Dragic, or IT. It looks a lot better having a player riding the bench when he is making $2M a season over sitting a guy on the bench that is making $7M (IT) or $5.3M (Green).

You also have to factor in that we will be looking to trade IT (and i believe Green as well), and therefor need to give them the minutes they need to essentially "Showcase" them to other teams and inflate their stats a bit.

From what point of view Yours? Or the coaching staffs? One can look at the games he's played this season, some of which were dazzling performances in otherwise meaningless minutes, and determine that he's proven enough to earn consistent minutes. But that's clearly not what the coaching staff is seeing. It might be up to our standards but it might not be up to NBA standards.

[Kerrsed]

If Archie, with all his elite athleticism, ball penetration abilities and defensive genius cannot prove he's ready for the NBA court in practice, then why the hell would he be given minutes?

No one gets a better look at Archie than the Suns organisation, yet after seeing him play 626 career minutes you think that the coaching staff, some of whom are ex-NBA players are wrong.

626 career minutes isnt anything when you break it down to 2 minutes in a game here and 3 minutes in a game there.

[lilfishi22]

If Archie, with all his elite athleticism, ball penetration abilities and defensive genius cannot prove he's ready for the NBA court in practice, then why the hell would he be given minutes?

No one gets a better look at Archie than the Suns organisation, yet after seeing him play 626 career minutes you think that the coaching staff, some of whom are ex-NBA players are wrong.

626 career minutes isn't anything when you break it down to 2 minutes in a game here and 3 minutes in a game there.

But that's exactly my point. Whereas we only have 626 minutes to evaluate him, with some of us deciding he's ready and some of us aren't, the Suns organisations probably has over 1000 hours to make that judgement. Based on 100x more opportunities to evaluate Archie, the Suns coaching staff has determined he's not ready. Now this is a coaching staff with a HC who has played 15 seasons in the NBA as well as a handful of other staff who are also ex-NBA players and experienced personnel coming from other NBA organisations.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion on whether he's ready or not but I'm on the side with over 1000 hours of analysis and evaluation from an NBA coaching staff over my own personal judgement that he's ready to play based on my bias to see him on the court.

[JDLAW]

There is a proposed trade on the trade board from a Rockets' proposing a trade of NOP 1st Cappela and Jones for Alex Len. It is rather amusing.

[AtheJ415]

There is a proposed trade on the trade board from a Rockets' proposing a trade of NOP 1st Cappela and Jones for Alex Len. It is rather amusing.

They believe their NOP pick is just way too valuable. Many of them wouldn't trade it for Dragic straight up. It's hilarious because Dragic was All-NBA last year, and at worst is a borderline all-star going forward. A late lotto pick is frequently just a regular rotation player. Some hit stardom, but more bust, and if you get a regular starter it's a win. The rockets are in win-now mode, but are turning down Dragic for the NOP pick. LMFAO.

They also think Motiejunas walks on water. I like DMO, but they view him as as unmovable as Anthony Davis.

[Kerrsed]

They also think Motiejunas walks on water. I like DMO, but they view him as as unmovable as Anthony Davis.

Its funny because for the past few years Rocket fans were calling Motie a bust. They were including him in EVERY trade scenario. Even the first few days that he was starting, they were trying to trade him off as Jones was their "Untouchable PF". Its crazy how much of a difference just a few weeks make.

[Son of Ra]

Well here's a well timed article about Goodwin from the wiretap. http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/23 ... -Of-Future

The Phoenix Suns have made clear to Archie Goodwin and the NBA that the franchise has the second-year guard as a cornerstone of its future, shutting down interested suitors, league sources told RealGM.

Whenever contacted with interest from major- and minor- market teams, the Suns have shown no willingness to move Goodwin, promising that he’s a major part of their talent core.

“Archie doesn’t want out of Phoenix,” Goodwin’s agent, Charles Briscoe, told RealGM on Wednesday. “His words have been twisted in a recent article. We’re willing to wait for Archie’s opportunity. Any player in the NBA wants to play immediately, but we understand that Phoenix is in a playoff push. If we have to wait for next year, we’re OK with that. We know he will get his opportunity, and he’ll be ready.”

Phoenix acquired Goodwin with the 29th pick in the 2013 NBA draft, a talented 6-foot-5 player drafted onto a roster that already had backcourt depth, and the plan had always been to fully incorporate him into the rotation by his third season in the league.

At 20 years old, Goodwin came into training camp with an elevated workout regimen, improved basketball shape and a thirst to crack the Suns’ rotation. In 12 appearances this season, he has averaged 3.9 points and 1.3 rebounds in 7.8 minutes a game.

Goodwin was sent to the Suns’ Development League affiliate, Bakersfield, before the Showcase and won the event’s MVP while scoring 70 points and grabbing 17 rebounds over three games. He has several more D-League appearances scheduled the remainder of the season to continue receiving repetitions and playing time in Phoenix’s system.

Goodwin entered the NBA after one season at Kentucky, where he averaged 14.1 points and 4.6 rebounds in 33 games.

[Qwigglez]

They also think Motiejunas walks on water. I like DMO, but they view him as as unmovable as Anthony Davis.

Its funny because for the past few years Rocket fans were calling Motie a bust. They were including him in EVERY trade scenario. Even the first few days that he was starting, they were trying to trade him off as Jones was their "Untouchable PF". Its crazy how much of a difference just a few weeks make.

Yeah but many Suns fans on this board were doing the same thing with Len at the beginning of the season, tossing him in any trade scenario.

[thamadkant]

Well here's a well timed article about Goodwin from the wiretap. http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/23 ... -Of-Future

The Phoenix Suns have made clear to Archie Goodwin and the NBA that the franchise has the second-year guard as a cornerstone of its future, shutting down interested suitors, league sources told RealGM.

Whenever contacted with interest from major- and minor- market teams, the Suns have shown no willingness to move Goodwin, promising that he’s a major part of their talent core.

“Archie doesn’t want out of Phoenix,” Goodwin’s agent, Charles Briscoe, told RealGM on Wednesday. “His words have been twisted in a recent article. We’re willing to wait for Archie’s opportunity. Any player in the NBA wants to play immediately, but we understand that Phoenix is in a playoff push. If we have to wait for next year, we’re OK with that. We know he will get his opportunity, and he’ll be ready.”

Phoenix acquired Goodwin with the 29th pick in the 2013 NBA draft, a talented 6-foot-5 player drafted onto a roster that already had backcourt depth, and the plan had always been to fully incorporate him into the rotation by his third season in the league.

At 20 years old, Goodwin came into training camp with an elevated workout regimen, improved basketball shape and a thirst to crack the Suns’ rotation. In 12 appearances this season, he has averaged 3.9 points and 1.3 rebounds in 7.8 minutes a game.

Goodwin was sent to the Suns’ Development League affiliate, Bakersfield, before the Showcase and won the event’s MVP while scoring 70 points and grabbing 17 rebounds over three games. He has several more D-League appearances scheduled the remainder of the season to continue receiving repetitions and playing time in Phoenix’s system.

Goodwin entered the NBA after one season at Kentucky, where he averaged 14.1 points and 4.6 rebounds in 33 games.

As expected..
Goodwin could still be in college this season, the fact that he has proven he can score against NBA level players... As a RAW and shot limited player... Implies he still has a lot of improvements to achieve. And he is a McD scouted/drafte guy.

[AZWildByNature]

Raptors interested in Plumlee?

As Plumlee is only making $1.17 million, the Raptors could send back Greg Stiemsma ($0.98 million) and their own 2015 or 2016 (lottery protected) first round draft pick.
http://probballreport.com/is-the-suns-m ... ng-answer/

Rumor has it that the Toronto Raptors are interested in the struggling center. It is a more complicated deal as Plumlee will come along with Gerald Green in exchange for Terrence Ross, Tyler Hansbrough, or Landry Fields.
http://www.youthhealthmag.com/articles/ ... lumlee.htm

Currently, the Raptors' pick is in the 20s.
Or they have their own and the less favorable of the Nuggets and Knicks picks in 2016.

[batsmasher]

Look at his D-league stats, he has REGRESSED in every stat:

The only thing he's improved is his build and cutting his turnover rate a lot. Where are the improved assist numbers? The improved outside shot? The improved rebounding and defensive stats? They simply aren't there.

Get better and then expect a call up, cos at the moment he's just whining and coming off like the 20 year millionaire he is.

I'm sorry TASTIC this is too hilarious not to bring up. You've taken a 5 game sample size from the D-League as your proof that he has regressed. That is plain ridiculous.

And he's not whining. Even the new comments from his agent aren't enough to convince you of that?

[AtheJ415]

They also think Motiejunas walks on water. I like DMO, but they view him as as unmovable as Anthony Davis.

Its funny because for the past few years Rocket fans were calling Motie a bust. They were including him in EVERY trade scenario. Even the first few days that he was starting, they were trying to trade him off as Jones was their "Untouchable PF". Its crazy how much of a difference just a few weeks make.

Yeah. I noticed that too. They run through a pattern where every new acquisition is considered golden and then over time, as they don't become stars, they tend to sour. DMO seems to have gone in reverse. But I've seen some claim Nick Johnson can't be touched in a trade for Bledsoe or Dragic simply because he played well in the summer and can jump high (as if Bledsoe can't). A lot of it is the love affair with Morey. Their fans think Morey is a genius who can commit no wrong when it comes to player personnel decisions. Many also thought Shved should be the centerpiece for a Dragic trade, and jumped to that the second he was acquired by claiming it was solely for a future move to get Gogi and that the suns were in love with Shved. Apparently, the Suns needed Houston to trade a 2nd rounder for Shved because, you know, we don't have any players or picks to get him ourselves.

[AtheJ415]

They also think Motiejunas walks on water. I like DMO, but they view him as as unmovable as Anthony Davis.

Its funny because for the past few years Rocket fans were calling Motie a bust. They were including him in EVERY trade scenario. Even the first few days that he was starting, they were trying to trade him off as Jones was their "Untouchable PF". Its crazy how much of a difference just a few weeks make.

Yeah but many Suns fans on this board were doing the same thing with Len at the beginning of the season, tossing him in any trade scenario.

True. Fans are impatient. But with the Rockets it's more that they have so much faith in Morey that they overhype everyone they acquire. Shved, 2nd rounders, etc.. Mosey over to Clutchfans and you can read a 1,000 page thread on how Goran to Houston is inevitable and how Morey holds all the leverage and could have had him since last summer, and is holding out to get him without giving up the NOP pick or DMO, so essentially for Jason Terry, Shved, and Papa. It's also funny because most over there see our PG hydra as a positional disaster, but then think we'd want 2 worse PGs back.

Nobody, not Denver for Lawson, nor Phoenix for Dragic or Bledsoe, wants their poo poo platter of crap for their best player. But they have so much value in guys like Shved that many even claim they wouldn't accept it on their end.

[AtheJ415]

Well here's a well timed article about Goodwin from the wiretap. http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/23 ... -Of-Future

The Phoenix Suns have made clear to Archie Goodwin and the NBA that the franchise has the second-year guard as a cornerstone of its future, shutting down interested suitors, league sources told RealGM.

Whenever contacted with interest from major- and minor- market teams, the Suns have shown no willingness to move Goodwin, promising that he’s a major part of their talent core.

“Archie doesn’t want out of Phoenix,” Goodwin’s agent, Charles Briscoe, told RealGM on Wednesday. “His words have been twisted in a recent article. We’re willing to wait for Archie’s opportunity. Any player in the NBA wants to play immediately, but we understand that Phoenix is in a playoff push. If we have to wait for next year, we’re OK with that. We know he will get his opportunity, and he’ll be ready.”

Phoenix acquired Goodwin with the 29th pick in the 2013 NBA draft, a talented 6-foot-5 player drafted onto a roster that already had backcourt depth, and the plan had always been to fully incorporate him into the rotation by his third season in the league.

At 20 years old, Goodwin came into training camp with an elevated workout regimen, improved basketball shape and a thirst to crack the Suns’ rotation. In 12 appearances this season, he has averaged 3.9 points and 1.3 rebounds in 7.8 minutes a game.

Goodwin was sent to the Suns’ Development League affiliate, Bakersfield, before the Showcase and won the event’s MVP while scoring 70 points and grabbing 17 rebounds over three games. He has several more D-League appearances scheduled the remainder of the season to continue receiving repetitions and playing time in Phoenix’s system.

Goodwin entered the NBA after one season at Kentucky, where he averaged 14.1 points and 4.6 rebounds in 33 games.

As expected..
Goodwin could still be in college this season, the fact that he has proven he can score against NBA level players... As a RAW and shot limited player... Implies he still has a lot of improvements to achieve. And he is a McD scouted/drafte guy.

McD is a scout. You have to let him trust that ability above all else. I've been arguing about Goodwin not deserving minutes on the bench, but I also hate the argument that we should dump him. Let this play out. When he's ready he'll play, and hopefully he'll be as good as McD believes he will become.

[RunDogGun]

Raptors interested in Plumlee?

As Plumlee is only making $1.17 million, the Raptors could send back Greg Stiemsma ($0.98 million) and their own 2015 or 2016 (lottery protected) first round draft pick.
http://probballreport.com/is-the-suns-m ... ng-answer/

Rumor has it that the Toronto Raptors are interested in the struggling center. It is a more complicated deal as Plumlee will come along with Gerald Green in exchange for Terrence Ross, Tyler Hansbrough, or Landry Fields.
http://www.youthhealthmag.com/articles/ ... lumlee.htm

Currently, the Raptors' pick is in the 20s.
Or they have their own and the less favorable of the Nuggets and Knicks picks in 2016.

Interesting trade rumors.

[King4Day]

Raptors interested in Plumlee?

As Plumlee is only making $1.17 million, the Raptors could send back Greg Stiemsma ($0.98 million) and their own 2015 or 2016 (lottery protected) first round draft pick.
http://probballreport.com/is-the-suns-m ... ng-answer/

Rumor has it that the Toronto Raptors are interested in the struggling center. It is a more complicated deal as Plumlee will come along with Gerald Green in exchange for Terrence Ross, Tyler Hansbrough, or Landry Fields.
http://www.youthhealthmag.com/articles/ ... lumlee.htm

Currently, the Raptors' pick is in the 20s.
Or they have their own and the less favorable of the Nuggets and Knicks picks in 2016.

How is Ross doing? I'd think we'd want he and 1st at the least. Green is kinda valuable to dump otherwise.

[AtheJ415]

Raptors interested in Plumlee?

As Plumlee is only making $1.17 million, the Raptors could send back Greg Stiemsma ($0.98 million) and their own 2015 or 2016 (lottery protected) first round draft pick.
http://probballreport.com/is-the-suns-m ... ng-answer/

Rumor has it that the Toronto Raptors are interested in the struggling center. It is a more complicated deal as Plumlee will come along with Gerald Green in exchange for Terrence Ross, Tyler Hansbrough, or Landry Fields.
http://www.youthhealthmag.com/articles/ ... lumlee.htm

Currently, the Raptors' pick is in the 20s.
Or they have their own and the less favorable of the Nuggets and Knicks picks in 2016.

Interesting trade rumors.

It's pretty hard to trust "youthhealthmag.com". I just assume nba basketball rumors aren't their specialty. That said, if you can add Ross and Hansborough I'd be all over that. I want nothing to do with Fields even as an expiring, particularly with Bullock in the fold.

[AtheJ415]

Raptors interested in Plumlee?

As Plumlee is only making $1.17 million, the Raptors could send back Greg Stiemsma ($0.98 million) and their own 2015 or 2016 (lottery protected) first round draft pick.
http://probballreport.com/is-the-suns-m ... ng-answer/

Rumor has it that the Toronto Raptors are interested in the struggling center. It is a more complicated deal as Plumlee will come along with Gerald Green in exchange for Terrence Ross, Tyler Hansbrough, or Landry Fields.
http://www.youthhealthmag.com/articles/ ... lumlee.htm

Currently, the Raptors' pick is in the 20s.
Or they have their own and the less favorable of the Nuggets and Knicks picks in 2016.

How is Ross doing? I'd think we'd want he and 1st at the least. Green is kinda valuable to dump otherwise.

He's going through a bit of a slump, but a lot of his low FG% (around 41%) is because half his shots (5 a game) are 3s, which he's hitting at 37%, so it's somewhat deceptive. He did drop 50+ in a game though, and his potential is still there. I kind of wonder what Bullock does though if we add Ross. Ross is a 3 and D player now. He probably has more potential to develop into more than that than a guy like Bullock does though.

[Qwigglez]

Oh man, I was just thinking the Raptors might be looking at adding a center because they lack height and they have been struggling as of late. I don't like any thing they got to offer though.