TRADE IMMINENT - Rivers, Crawford(???), others?

[mkwest]

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[thanumba2clippersfan]

Well my guess is that we'll find another SF somewhere. We only have Barnes, Hedo, and Dohntay Jones to play SF. So we either trade for someone and/or we go after Tayshawn Prince hard.

[mttwlsn16]

Why does Turk never play? He got some good run in the Charlotte game I went to, and I feel like he hasn't played since.....

[Forte IV]

It's because Turk can't guard 3s

[TucsonClip]

Turk is a stretch 4 who can handle the ball. He isnt playing unless Baby melts down. Even then, Hawes will likely slide to PF with DJ playing more with the bench.

[TucsonClip]

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Totally fine if we pass on Robinson.

[Forte IV]

As would I. He's struggled shooting this year and he's coming off that ACL tear.

[mj_shoefanatic]

I wonder who we're seriously looking at.

[Roscoe Sheed]

Turk is a stretch 4 who can handle the ball. He isnt playing unless Baby melts down. Even then, Hawes will likely slide to PF with DJ playing more with the bench.

As bad as Hawes has been Turk would probably even make a better center than Hawes. Hawes has been bad on both ends of the floor

[Lindecision]

Spoiler:

Al-Farouq Aminu
Corey Brewer
Chase Budinger
Rasual Butler
DeMarre Carroll
Omri Casspi
Victor Claver
Jae Crowder
Gigi Datome
Austin Daye
Jared Dudley
Mike Dunleavy
Landry Fields
Alonzo Gee
Danny Granger
Gerald Green
Robbie Hummel
Joe Ingles
Richard Jefferson
Wesley Johnson
James Jones
Andrei Kirilenko
Shawn Marion
Cartier Martin
Luc Mbah a Moute
Khris Middleton
Mike Miller
Paul Pierce
Tayshaun Prince
Jason Richardson
Glenn Robinson
John Salmons
Kyle Singler
Jeffery Taylor
Hedo Turkoglu
Derrick Williams
Dorell Wright

^ That right there is the list of SF's available in free agency next summer (minus the Lebron's Butler's Kawhi's etc. that we're not gonna get for the MLE). Only dude with potential to be better than current Barnes is Khris Middleton, and I doubt the Bucks let him go for MLE money (he's restricted). Plus, we're probably not even gonna have the MLE next year.

It's not just a bench move, it's the draining of the last of our assets, and the last of our hopes at a starting SF.

You're right about not having the MLE. DJ's cap hold takes us way over the tax so we will only have the taxpayer version, which is only $3.376 million. I don't like Middleton all that much to be honest, not that we'd get him for that price anyway. From that list of players, I like Omri Casspi the most. Followed by Gerald Green, Derrick Williams and Kyle Singler. But those are the only guys that we could realistically get for the taxpayer MLE. - Edit: Alan Anderson has a player option. Maybe we could make a play for him.

The "draining of the last of our assets" was the Dudley trade when we tied up our 1st rounders. I was much more angry at that trade than this one. I don't consider middling prospects and some 2nd rounders to be assets. You're only gonna be able to make bench moves with the "assets" we had. I was pretty amazed at the reaction to this trade actually. When I saw the wiretap saying Bullock could be involved, I was just like whatever. But everyone freaked. It was clearly a culmination than it just being down to this trade alone.

The silver lining is that our 1st rounder will likely be conveyed to the Bucks in 2017. That means teams will be willing to trade for our next available 1st with the "2 years after" rule, in the knowledge that they're likely gonna get it in 2019. Not that I would advocate doing that anyway. We should just target buyout guys like Prince. The only player I would consider trading our next available 1st is Wilson Chandler for Jamal Crawford straight up.

[LACtdom]

When I saw the wiretap saying Bullock could be involved, I was just like whatever. But everyone freaked. It was clearly a culmination than it just being down to this trade alone.

I can't speak for everyone but the hardest part to swallow was not letting go of Bullock, but the fact that he was finally becoming useful to us and accumulating some value and then we gave him up for no apparent reason besides for a player who we never needed.

We have/had limited assets so it was important to use our assets efficiently to get players we need. Not having Bullock as a trade chip will make it harder.

[QRich3]

Spoiler:

Al-Farouq Aminu
Corey Brewer
Chase Budinger
Rasual Butler
DeMarre Carroll
Omri Casspi
Victor Claver
Jae Crowder
Gigi Datome
Austin Daye
Jared Dudley
Mike Dunleavy
Landry Fields
Alonzo Gee
Danny Granger
Gerald Green
Robbie Hummel
Joe Ingles
Richard Jefferson
Wesley Johnson
James Jones
Andrei Kirilenko
Shawn Marion
Cartier Martin
Luc Mbah a Moute
Khris Middleton
Mike Miller
Paul Pierce
Tayshaun Prince
Jason Richardson
Glenn Robinson
John Salmons
Kyle Singler
Jeffery Taylor
Hedo Turkoglu
Derrick Williams
Dorell Wright

^ That right there is the list of SF's available in free agency next summer (minus the Lebron's Butler's Kawhi's etc. that we're not gonna get for the MLE). Only dude with potential to be better than current Barnes is Khris Middleton, and I doubt the Bucks let him go for MLE money (he's restricted). Plus, we're probably not even gonna have the MLE next year.

It's not just a bench move, it's the draining of the last of our assets, and the last of our hopes at a starting SF.

You're right about not having the MLE. DJ's cap hold takes us way over the tax so we will only have the taxpayer version, which is only $3.376 million. I don't like Middleton all that much to be honest, not that we'd get him for that price anyway. From that list of players, I like Omri Casspi the most. Followed by Gerald Green, Derrick Williams and Kyle Singler. But those are the only guys that we could realistically get for the taxpayer MLE. - Edit: Alan Anderson has a player option. Maybe we could make a play for him.

The "draining of the last of our assets" was the Dudley trade when we tied up our 1st rounders. I was much more angry at that trade than this one. I don't consider middling prospects and some 2nd rounders to be assets. You're only gonna be able to make bench moves with the "assets" we had. I was pretty amazed at the reaction to this trade actually. When I saw the wiretap saying Bullock could be involved, I was just like whatever. But everyone freaked. It was clearly a culmination than it just being down to this trade alone.

The silver lining is that our 1st rounder will likely be conveyed to the Bucks in 2017. That means teams will be willing to trade for our next available 1st with the "2 years after" rule, in the knowledge that they're likely gonna get it in 2019. Not that I would advocate doing that anyway. We should just target buyout guys like Prince. The only player I would consider trading our next available 1st is Wilson Chandler for Jamal Crawford straight up.

I mean yeah, I guess with the Dudley trade I just though they f*cked up with the hard cap and had to give away a 1st to dump any salary. I thought, yeh they did really bad but it was a silly mistake and they have time to make up for it. Now the pattern is just way too clear to ignore, and I'm convinced they just don't have a clue what they're doing, or how picks and young players are valued in today's NBA market. On top of that, they keep trying to cover areas that we don't need improvement in (offensive guards who can only chuck shots), while the areas we need actually improvement in are still unaddressed. Maybe you realized that in the Dudley trade, I still had faith we could end up improving the team after that. Not anymore.

Those middling prospects and 2nd rounders you talk about are what winning teams turn into assets that allow them to keep improving their roster. Reggie Bullock could have been Jimmy Butler with the right development, and even if he wasn't, the threat of him becoming something like that is valuable when trading for a guy who can help you now. Guys like Marc Gasol, Deandre Jordan, Asik, Draymond Green, they were those kind of middling prospects once. Even if you don't think a low pick can turn into any of that, the slight possibility that it does i valuable to other teams, and it can turn into a good veteran from a rebuilding team in a trade. Not Austin freaking Rivers. The pick we wasted dumping Dudley could have easily become Jeff Green or Luol Deng, packaged with an expiring.

Now that it's possible we won't have a tradeable pick until 2021, I'd be really wary about trading it for a role player like Chandler, who can still bomb like Dudley did, and then we are left with no picks during a rebuild, the worst situation an NBA franchise can ever find itself in. But yeah, I'm more convinced every day that Doc knows he'll just bail on the team as soon as it's not winning, so he only cares about his winning percentage while he's here, not whatever happens after he's gone.

Also, you know we're desperate when we're talking about getting Casspi or Alan Anderson as our best case scenario.

[BullsFTW]

Is Crawford on the block? If he is, he would be a nice fit in Chicago. How's this trade?

Bulls Get: J. Crawford
Clippers Get: W. Chandler & A. Brooks
Nuggets Get: T. Snell, E. Moore, E. Udoh, & CHI Future 1st
Sixers Get: C. Bairstow & LAC Future 2nd

[QRich3]

Is Crawford on the block? If he is, he would be a nice fit in Chicago. How's this trade?

Bulls Get: J. Crawford
Clippers Get: W. Chandler & A. Brooks
Nuggets Get: T. Snell, E. Moore, E. Udoh, & CHI Future 1st
Sixers Get: C. Bairstow & LAC Future 2nd

I'd love it!

[mttwlsn16]

I'd want more than Chandler and Brooks. We have literally zero use for Brooks imo. Rather we just sign Nate Rob if we are going to get another PG and flip Crawford for something better than Chandler if we are going to send Crawford packing. But thats just me, I'd prefer to keep Crawford personally, just wish he wouldn't dribble dribble chuck so much. He's an excellent catch and shoot guy

[QRich3]

I mean yeah, if Crawford played more off the ball and he played better defense I'd love to keep him. But that's not really who he is, and I don't think it's ever gonna happen. At this point I doubt he has enough value to bring back Chandler by himself, I didn't even notice Brooks was in there tbh lol

[kylem4711]

I'd want more than Chandler and Brooks. We have literally zero use for Brooks imo. Rather we just sign Nate Rob if we are going to get another PG and flip Crawford for something better than Chandler if we are going to send Crawford packing. But thats just me, I'd prefer to keep Crawford personally, just wish he wouldn't dribble dribble chuck so much. He's an excellent catch and shoot guy

We wouldn't be able to get chandler for Crawford straight up.

[clip set]

I'd want more than Chandler and Brooks. We have literally zero use for Brooks imo. Rather we just sign Nate Rob if we are going to get another PG and flip Crawford for something better than Chandler if we are going to send Crawford packing. But thats just me, I'd prefer to keep Crawford personally, just wish he wouldn't dribble dribble chuck so much. He's an excellent catch and shoot guy

We wouldn't be able to get chandler for Crawford straight up.

Agreed, let alone more value. That's basically why I don't want to trade Jamal. I don't think we can get adequate value in return for what he gives us specifically. If we could get both Chandler and Brooks for just Jamal and a 2nd I'd take it though, as Brooks could be big for the bench unit without Jamal. I don't think that trade is anywhere near feasible though. At this point the whole league is on notice that they can game us in a trade.