We get absolutely no love from the main board

[Quake Griffin]

No Sterling fiasco, your team goes home earlier.

Keep bringing up Bogut. Nobody's fault your team traded for an injury prone C.

[2Mas]

There are a few reasons:

1. flopping. Fair or not, the Clippers have created a rep for themselves as a flopping team which started in 2011-12. CP3, Blake, Reggie Evans were the main culprits and though the flopping has toned down a lot, it's hard to kick that rep.

2. showboating. People love the dunks, but they hate the celebrations that ensue from DJ or the bench. Blake hardly ever celebrates, but I'm sure people lump him in here.

3. ESPN/TNT/national media love. Other team's fans hate that the Clippers get so much attention, whether it's national TV appearances(Clips rank up there), writers/bloggers picking Clips to come out of the West, NBA YouTube channel's love affair with posting Blake or DJ highlights, or the many CP3/Blake commericals.

4. Complaining to refs/preferential treatment by refs - I see this alot when I visit opposing team's forums. They're always complaining about how the Clippers whine to the refs about every call and how CP3 and Blake get away with everything. And people hate Matt Barnes obviously.

So those are the main reasons. They throw out the "Clips are a 1st or 2nd rd exit" sentiments quite often because of confirmation bias. It is what it is. Clippers have to win to shut people up or it'll never change.

x100. 1. The flopping is fair. Look if your gonna flop, don't like act like atough guy. if you flop, flop it's cool. But don't try to intimidate people then go flying when they push you.

2. Blake stares are so irritating. Like when DJ killed Lopex last night, he let out a yell, gave Lopez a "I just owned you look" & turn & ran back. No biggie there, that's fine & normal. But the Blake Griffin I'm gonna stare at you for seconds while I slowly turn like its in slow motion, is so dragged out. Esp that he still does it when he doesn't even dunk like he used to (which is smarter I the long run). But to standards of Griffin, his dunk 2years ago were better than now.

4. Everyone complains. & Now your leader Doc is one of the biggest of them all.

[og15]

Basically the team disliked for the things everyone else in the league does, but if people already have a perception, they just look to confirm it, not to be objective about it. Complaining has to be the weirdest one as there's no team in the league that doesn't complain too much, none. There was this made up idea that the Cłippers can complain more and get away with it, not supported by how many technical fouls the team was getting, but okay. If you specifically watch any team to scrutinize how much they complain or how they react to calls you will find a mass of evidence to support that idea.

There was also the idea that the Cłippers get all the calls and the refs are on their side because the league loves them. You can never really argue those ones because people just frame it in a way that it can't be shut down. You say how come the Cłippers fouled more than their opponents, shot less FT's and got more technicals and people basically want you to say that the Cłippers should have never shot a FT or hot a call. So then almost every call for the Cłippers to those people is biased an undeserved, and don't let it ever happen in a close game. Look, every team gets screwed by the refs at some point in time.

The Blake stare down has faded away, hardly any flopping because if there was, there would be a 50 page general board thread and there hasn't been one in two seasons. Paul doesn't even rip through anymore and if he does, it's rare. Good example is that the Warriors flopped more than the Cłippers in the series last season and people who supposedly hate floppers and flopping would say "getting a taste of their own medicine". The Grizzlies we're fyling all over the place in 12-13 , Allen was great with the flop, no one cared, everyone was waiting for a Cłipper to do something. Then you don't really hate floppers and flopping itself, just specific people doing it.

The media didn't help. Lob City for example was a joke caught on camera and became the team's identity when the team didn't even want that. Media people calling the Cłippers contenders early when neither the management or majority of fans thought the team was even there yet after just putting a roster together that had many holes.

Some bitter Laker fans about the CP3 trade also added to the group of people trying to hate the Cłippers at every opportunity combined with fans of other teams with top PG's who didn't want Paul to be considered better than their PG and fans or of other PF's who didn't want Blake to be considered better than their PF, as if that even matters. You add all those together and flopping, complaining, being overrated and not living up to the "only as good as the second round at best" expectations when they got to the second round....wait, huh? All those as the reasoning and you get the weird large amount of dislike that seems disproportional to the reasons stated if applied across the league.

Is it fair to be disliked due not just to what you do, but what media people are saying about you? To be disproportionately disliked for things others in the league also do? Not really, but that's life, it isn't fair, and being disliked is just what it is, people will move on and probably find some other team to disproportionately dislike. It's annoying because it leads to a lot of objectivity lacking discussion and waste of time debates, but whatever.

[mkwest]

Basically the team disliked for the things everyone else in the league does, but if people already have a perception, they just look to confirm it, not to be objective about it. Complaining has to be the weirdest one as there's no team in the league that doesn't complain too much, none. There was this made up idea that the Cłippers can complain more and get away with it, not supported by how many technical fouls the team was getting, but okay. If you specifically watch any team to scrutinize how much they complain or how they react to calls you will find a mass of evidence to support that idea.

There was also the idea that the Cłippers get all the calls and the refs are on their side because the league loves them. You can never really argue those ones because people just frame it in a way that it can't be shut down. You say how come the Cłippers fouled more than their opponents, shot less FT's and got more technicals and people basically want you to say that the Cłippers should have never shot a FT or hot a call. So then almost every call for the Cłippers to those people is biased an undeserved, and don't let it ever happen in a close game. Look, every team gets screwed by the refs at some point in time.

The Blake stare down has faded away, hardly any flopping because if there was, there would be a 50 page general board thread and there hasn't been one in two seasons. Paul doesn't even rip through anymore and if he does, it's rare. Good example is that the Warriors flopped more than the Cłippers in the series last season and people who supposedly hate floppers and flopping would say "getting a taste of their own medicine". The Grizzlies we're fyling all over the place in 12-13 , Allen was great with the flop, no one cared, everyone was waiting for a Cłipper to do something. Then you don't really hate floppers and flopping itself, just specific people doing it.

The media didn't help. Lob City for example was a joke caught on camera and became the team's identity when the team didn't even want that. Media people calling the Cłippers contenders early when neither the management or majority of fans thought the team was even there yet after just putting a roster together that had many holes.

Some bitter Laker fans about the CP3 trade also added to the group of people trying to hate the Cłippers at every opportunity combined with fans of other teams with top PG's who didn't want Paul to be considered better than their PG and fans or of other PF's who didn't want Blake to be considered better than their PF, as if that even matters. You add all those together and flopping, complaining, being overrated and not living up to the "only as good as the second round at best" expectations when they got to the second round....wait, huh? All those as the reasoning and you get the weird large amount of dislike that seems disproportional to the reasons stated if applied across the league.

Is it fair to be disliked due not just to what you do, but what media people are saying about you? To be disproportionately disliked for things others in the league also do? Not really, but that's life, it isn't fair, and being disliked is just what it is, people will move on and probably find some other team to disproportionately dislike. It's annoying because it leads to a lot of objectivity lacking discussion and waste of time debates, but whatever.

[JimmyTD3]

Warriors fan here, I'd like to give you guys my perspective.

DISCLAIMER: I am not one of those guys who "hates" rival teams, in any sport. I don't "hate" the Clippers at all. I'm also in the minority who doesn't mind flopping. If it can give your team an advantage and you can get away with it, I think it's dumb to NOT exploit that advantage.

THAT BEING SAID, to me, currently, the Clippers are among the least likable teams in the league.

Why?

1) Blake Griffin being shoved down my throat. I respect him as an elite player, but having him force-fed to me with the whole staged Slam Dunk Competition BS, the commercials, it's too much. Despite all of that, I actually didn't think poorly of him until that stunt with the trainer yesterday. Grade-A douche bag. Reeks of entitled millionaire jock, which I'm sure describes 97% of the NBA, but FFS don't do stuff like this on national TV and prove it to the world.

2) Chris Paul. He's probably the best PG of this generation...he's been around for a very long time, and is a known quantity. Nothing exciting about Chris Paul anymore. Add to that the perception about his flopping and constant complaining to the refs (which are confirmed nearly every time I watch a Clippers game) and he's not really very likable. Maybe he flops and complains more than other stars, maybe he doesn't. That's beside the point. The PERCEPTION of him is one way, and that's what casual fans of the league cling to. People aren't gonna go watch the tape of every time out and study how much Paul actually complains to refs. Fair or not, it is what it is.


When people think of NBA teams, they think of that team's stars first. The fact that you currently have 2 of the least likeable stars in the league, is probably why no one wants to talk about you guys.

There are also some pretty good storylines happening in the league this year (Warriors, Hawks), nothing that exciting going on in Clipper-land. You guys are playing great ball, exactly as expected. Not much to discuss.

(This is not even bringing up Doc Rivers nepotism and the Donald Sterling scandal, two things that I don't really care about)

[Quake Griffin]

It's all smoke and mirrors.

Let's not forget, this board still believes that we're full of bandwagon fans.

So let me get this right. You laugh at us when other fans come pack out our home games? You say we're the least likable team in the NBA. Yet you somehow believe our fan base is full of bandwagoners? HUH?

NVM that the Lakers have (last time I saw) six times the TV viewership of their games than we do.
LMAO…right. Sure are bandwagoning over here.


If they don't like you, they don't like you man.

and in classic Real GM fashion. one of these guys will read this. think nothing about it and go say that we have bandwagon fans within 4-7 days on the GB.

[Quake Griffin]

1) Blake Griffin being shoved down my throat. I respect him as an elite player, but having him force-fed to me with the whole staged Slam Dunk Competition BS, the commercials, it's too much. Despite all of that, I actually didn't think poorly of him until that stunt with the trainer yesterday. Grade-A douche bag. Reeks of entitled millionaire jock, which I'm sure describes 97% of the NBA, but FFS don't do stuff like this on national TV and prove it to the world.

It's all perception.
I felt bad for Griffin (of course I felt bad for the trainer and his family mostly). I don't think he knows how much he looked like a jackass there.

If you don't like him. Of course it would make you go the "Grade-A douche bag" route.

I hope this helps you understand the theme of this thread.

[mttwlsn16]

I thought it was funny. Not sure why people getting their panties in a bunch over it. It was a blowout and he was just **** around lol

[Neddy]

Warriors fan here, I'd like to give you guys my perspective.

DISCLAIMER: I am not one of those guys who "hates" rival teams, in any sport. I don't "hate" the Clippers at all. I'm also in the minority who doesn't mind flopping. If it can give your team an advantage and you can get away with it, I think it's dumb to NOT exploit that advantage.

THAT BEING SAID, to me, currently, the Clippers are among the least likable teams in the league.

Why?

1) Blake Griffin being shoved down my throat. I respect him as an elite player, but having him force-fed to me with the whole staged Slam Dunk Competition BS, the commercials, it's too much. Despite all of that, I actually didn't think poorly of him until that stunt with the trainer yesterday. Grade-A douche bag. Reeks of entitled millionaire jock, which I'm sure describes 97% of the NBA, but FFS don't do stuff like this on national TV and prove it to the world.

2) Chris Paul. He's probably the best PG of this generation...he's been around for a very long time, and is a known quantity. Nothing exciting about Chris Paul anymore. Add to that the perception about his flopping and constant complaining to the refs (which are confirmed nearly every time I watch a Clippers game) and he's not really very likable. Maybe he flops and complains more than other stars, maybe he doesn't. That's beside the point. The PERCEPTION of him is one way, and that's what casual fans of the league cling to. People aren't gonna go watch the tape of every time out and study how much Paul actually complains to refs. Fair or not, it is what it is.


When people think of NBA teams, they think of that team's stars first. The fact that you currently have 2 of the least likeable stars in the league, is probably why no one wants to talk about you guys.

There are also some pretty good storylines happening in the league this year (Warriors, Hawks), nothing that exciting going on in Clipper-land. You guys are playing great ball, exactly as expected. Not much to discuss.

(This is not even bringing up Doc Rivers nepotism and the Donald Sterling scandal, two things that I don't really care about)

i have heard exactly the same talk before, a couple of times in fact... word by word, except it was about 25 years ago when i was in high school and it was first about John Stockton and Karl Malone, then Gary Payton and Shawn Kemp.

the difference is, with John and Karl, with all the same talk about John being a "boring", "known quantity" and how he "flopped" and how he would slide his feet under a player in the air, and how Karl was trying too hard to be liked by whites in Utah, riding Harley's and kissing asses, becoming a media darling for being a white washed black man from south who is willing to sing and dance, all that same garbage, coming from a team with no history of winning, except being in a big media market for the commercials Blake and CP gets.

Payton was supposed to be all talk and no real substance, another loud mouth from east Oakland and a thug, the anti-Admiral David Robinson. in the early years he was known for his defense which gave his nick name "glove" but no shots and no real leadership, and how Shawn Kemp was all about dunks and how Reign Man didn't have a complete game to be a winner in NBA.

in the end, neither pair won the ultimate prize and never got to hoist the O'brien trophy but does anybody think any less of them now today?

time will pass, and as their accomplishments are eventually evaluated objectively, they will be recognized whether they ever win the trophy or not. and all these kids who hate on Blake and CP will eventually give away to another younger generation who will see their statistical wonders in an era of three superstars winning at all, as twosome wrecking crew.

[MartinToVaught]

I'm always been warriors fan, but Clippers were actually my second fav team, especially when I hate Lakers. I loved Elton Brand back then, and BDavis too (they almost got to play together). Griffin's rookie year was also nice to watch, but thing start going sour. Davis gone, you guys got Paul and acted like you won the championship. After that all I can remember from Clippers was flopping, dunking, and bragging. After you guys eliminated Bogutless Warriors in a very ugly way, Clippers officially my most hated team, despite the fact Harden currently flop way more than your whole team combined. Thats my case, bye bye.

Steph Curry flops after every single jump shot and your bench is the definition of "bragging." One cute regular-season run and your fanbase is already planning the parade. I cannot wait until OKC gives the Warriors the reverse 2007 treatment.

[Neddy]

I'm always been warriors fan, but Clippers were actually my second fav team, especially when I hate Lakers. I loved Elton Brand back then, and BDavis too (they almost got to play together). Griffin's rookie year was also nice to watch, but thing start going sour. Davis gone, you guys got Paul and acted like you won the championship. After that all I can remember from Clippers was flopping, dunking, and bragging. After you guys eliminated Bogutless Warriors in a very ugly way, Clippers officially my most hated team, despite the fact Harden currently flop way more than your whole team combined. Thats my case, bye bye.

Steph Curry flops after every single jump shot and your bench is the definition of "bragging." One cute regular-season run and your fanbase is already planning the parade. I cannot wait until OKC gives the Warriors the reverse 2007 treatment.

huh... i guess i was wrong about you. you really are a clipper fan.

except it might as well be us to spoil their parade arrangements.

[Warriors07]

Typical Clippers' fans. So sorry guys, im outta here, delete my post as well if yall have time.

[MartinToVaught]

Typical Clippers' fans. So sorry guys, im outta here, delete my post as well if yall have time.

What kind of reaction were you expecting when you went to our board and bashed our team, just out of curiosity?

Typical Warriors "fan." When the Warriors fail to ever get past the second round in the Curry era and he bolts, you'll hop right back on the Lakers bandwagon just like everyone else in the Bay Area.

[Neddy]

Typical Clippers' fans. So sorry guys, im outta here, delete my post as well if yall have time.

What kind of reaction were you expecting when you went to our board and bashed our team, just out of curiosity?

Typical Warriors "fan." When the Warriors fail to ever get past the second round in the Curry era and he bolts, you'll hop right back on the Lakers bandwagon just like everyone else in the Bay Area.

LMAO so true. when i was attending UCSF between 1998 to 2002, so many bay area natives were pulling for the purple and piss and only a handful of my classmates would take the bart to go across the bay to catch a warriors game or even the A's games. raiders back then were actually decent so that was a different story then, but man people in SF cheered for their beloved Giants and Niners but not too much love for the warriors then. i would even go out of my limb and say they loved their San Jose Sharks and talk about the cow palace days more so than the PJ Carlesimo led Warriors at all.

[JimmyTD3]

1) Blake Griffin being shoved down my throat. I respect him as an elite player, but having him force-fed to me with the whole staged Slam Dunk Competition BS, the commercials, it's too much. Despite all of that, I actually didn't think poorly of him until that stunt with the trainer yesterday. Grade-A douche bag. Reeks of entitled millionaire jock, which I'm sure describes 97% of the NBA, but FFS don't do stuff like this on national TV and prove it to the world.

It's all perception.
I felt bad for Griffin (of course I felt bad for the trainer and his family mostly). I don't think he knows how much he looked like a jackass there.

If you don't like him. Of course it would make you go the "Grade-A douche bag" route.

I hope this helps you understand the theme of this thread.

Again, not saying it's correct. In a perfect world we'd talk about NBA teams relative to how good they are in which case the Clipps would be talked about a lot. But perception and storylines are what dictate 85% of basketball conversations (Klay Thompson threads, anyone?), and that is why you guys are not talked about a lot.

[Quake Griffin]

1) Blake Griffin being shoved down my throat. I respect him as an elite player, but having him force-fed to me with the whole staged Slam Dunk Competition BS, the commercials, it's too much. Despite all of that, I actually didn't think poorly of him until that stunt with the trainer yesterday. Grade-A douche bag. Reeks of entitled millionaire jock, which I'm sure describes 97% of the NBA, but FFS don't do stuff like this on national TV and prove it to the world.

It's all perception.
I felt bad for Griffin (of course I felt bad for the trainer and his family mostly). I don't think he knows how much he looked like a jackass there.

If you don't like him. Of course it would make you go the "Grade-A douche bag" route.

I hope this helps you understand the theme of this thread.

Again, not saying it's correct. In a perfect world we'd talk about NBA teams relative to how good they are in which case the Clipps would be talked about a lot. But perception and storylines are what dictate 85% of basketball conversations (Klay Thompson threads, anyone?), and that is why you guys are not talked about a lot.

You were the first one to say not talked about a lot…well, I'm almost sure you were…not re-reading the thread.

no love meant we get hated on by most posters on Real GM….not that we don't get attention on the forum.

[Neddy]

why does it even matter? we are the clippers and for those who actually have ever been to the rathole that is LA sports arena, we should be used to being dismissed and looked down upon.

all that matters and all that should matter to us is that we are what we are and who we are, and we all know we are the underdogs until proven otherwise. it's good to be hungry, and its good to be overlooked. we don't need anyone else outside our family for an approval and i say **** them all.

it's not like any of these warrior fans were alive when they won the last time unlike myself, lol Im an old fart of his board along with riverside and dontommy around here. for the fact that there are at least three clipper diehards who lived and died (mostly died, lol) with this franchise over many decades alone, knowing this franchise's history, speaks a large volume of just what kind of support this franchise have.

[Akklaim1]

LMAO, a 40-page thread about Blake and the trainer joking around. Of course, stupid-ass Bay Area Warrior fans lead the way in that threa.d You'd think Blake's gesture would be condoned by Bay Area fans. Haha.

[QRich3]

(This is not even bringing up Doc Rivers nepotism and the Donald Sterling scandal, two things that I don't really care about)

You'd think that sort of thing would get other teams fans to show some sympathy for the most mistreated fanbase in basketball? everyone was quick to rally around Kings fans when it looked like the Maloofs were moving the team, but somehow when the DTS fiasco was happening all we got was "I hope they move to Seattle".

Also, it says a lot when Warriors fans come in here to complain about Blake "staredowns" (seriously, I just can't wrap my mind about how stupid it is to take offense at something like that), but celebrate Kent Bazemore acting like a high school girl on the bench.

I mean, it's ok to hate on rival teams and I'm cool with it, but the intellectual gymnastics they do to justify it is so bizarrely absurd...

[allstar84]

Winning shuts everyone up and gets everyones attention. The rule applies to all.