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cedric76 · Post #501 » by **cedric76** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 3:32 am

thelead wrote:Tobias + fillers for Derrick Favors?

Utah's not touching that though with Hayward locked up at a max deal already

If only

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akhenaten · Post #502 » by **akhenaten** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 3:32 am

OrlandO wrote:Anyone think Vaughn was singling out Harris with that comment about intentions coming into the game and playing selfishly?

There was one timeout tonight where you could see JV rip into Harris coming off the court.

thelead · Post #503 » by **thelead** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 3:32 am

Big Boss wrote:I think the FO will give JV the rest of the season and if we don't make the playoffs or get close to it then he's gone. Me personally fire him now get a new coach in here and have him get a head start implementing his philosophies. The players play the game but the coaches implement systems for them to be in the best positions to succeed, have our players been put in the best positions?

Can you name me the last time a team fired their coach midway through the year and then signed a respectable candidate DURING that same season?

orlando1214 · Post #504 » by **orlando1214** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 3:33 am

Beast_Reality wrote:
CraZyPraiZ wrote:If changes are made then who are the keepers? This team has a losing attitude right now.

Dipo Vuc AG Elf, everyone else can be used in a trade as far as i am concerned

Yep totally agree. Although the very first change that needs to happen is firing JV and hiring a good coach. No point in trading players if the new guys that come in are going to have Vaughn as their coach. Actually I think we need to fire him right now and bring someone in quickly so that we have a little while before the trade deadline to evaluate everyone playing under a real coach.

woosah · Post #505 » by **woosah** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 3:34 am

Big Boss wrote:I think the FO will give JV the rest of the season and if we don't make the playoffs or get close to it then he's gone. Me personally fire him now get a new coach in here and have him get a head start implementing his philosophies. The players play the game but the coaches implement systems for them to be in the best positions to succeed, have our players been put in the best positions?

I said the same thing the other night. NOW is the time to get rid of this bum, and get someone new in and work out kinks in this sacrificed season. Then have all summer and SL and camp to work out kinks and go into next season ready to compete. I see no good from keeping him. It won't be good for their psyches, it won't be good for their growing their games, it won't be good for morale, it won't be good for anything that i can see. Please show me the advantages. There are NONE. BYE JV!!

GameOver25 · Post #506 » by **GameOver25** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 3:34 am

Who's worst than us right now? Philly would spanks us right now, even the T-Wolves.

claudio-br · Post #507 » by **claudio-br** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 3:36 am

GameOver25 wrote:Who's worst than us right now? Philly would spanks us right now, even the T-Wolves.

I wonder what you said after the wins against the Bulls and Rockets.

TreasureCoast · Post #508 » by **TreasureCoast** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 3:37 am

orlando1214 wrote:
Beast_Reality wrote:
CraZyPraiZ wrote:If changes are made then who are the keepers? This team has a losing attitude right now.

Dipo Vuc AG Elf, everyone else can be used in a trade as far as i am concerned

Yep totally agree. Although the very first change that needs to happen is firing JV and hiring a good coach. No point in trading players if the new guys that come in are going to have Vaughn as their coach. Actually I think we need to fire him right now and bring someone in quickly so that we have a little while before the trade deadline to evaluate everyone playing under a real coach.

Yes yes, i figured JV being fired was impied, for sure need a new coach before new guys coming in get tainted by Vaughn

407Junkie · Post #509 » by **407Junkie** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 3:37 am

OrlandO wrote:Anyone think Vaughn was singling out Harris with that comment about intentions coming into the game and playing selfishly?

Not hard to read what he was putting down. Who else was out there jacking up missed shots and playing matador defense?

frothbrain · Post #510 » by **frothbrain** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 3:37 am

trade harris. this guy is not worth more than the initial contract he was offered.

CraZyPraiZ · Post #511 » by **CraZyPraiZ** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 3:38 am

woosah wrote:
Big Boss wrote:I think the FO will give JV the rest of the season and if we don't make the playoffs or get close to it then he's gone. Me personally fire him now get a new coach in here and have him get a head start implementing his philosophies. The players play the game but the coaches implement systems for them to be in the best positions to succeed, have our players been put in the best positions?

I said the same thing the other night. NOW is the time to get rid of this bum, and get someone new in and work out kinks in this sacrificed season. Then have all summer and SL and camp to work out kinks and go into next season ready to compete. I see no good from keeping him. It won't be good for their psyches, it won't be good for their growing their games, it won't be good for morale, it won't be good for anything that i can see. Please show me the advantages. There are NONE. BYE JV!!

I agree with this because JV is not the answer. Unless Henny feels it's a few rotten apples then the change needs to happen now so we don't start another year with a new coach. But we need to bring in a permanent respectable coach. I still feel Mark Jackson is the man.
Everything going on in GS is because of Mark. He is the one that turned that team around.

woosah · Post #512 » by **woosah** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 3:39 am

claudio-br wrote:
GameOver25 wrote:Who's worst than us right now? Philly would spanks us right now, even the T-Wolves.

I wonder what you said after the wins against the Bulls and Rockets.

I'm sure like most we were encouraged, but now looking at a larger sample it can be said that we won those games with good execution on a surprise strategy that the other teams weren't prepared for. We took advantage of that and if we played both those teams right now we would look like we have for the past 2 games.

magician4ever · Post #513 » by **magician4ever** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 3:41 am

thelead wrote:
Big Boss wrote:I think the FO will give JV the rest of the season and if we don't make the playoffs or get close to it then he's gone. Me personally fire him now get a new coach in here and have him get a head start implementing his philosophies. The players play the game but the coaches implement systems for them to be in the best positions to succeed, have our players been put in the best positions?

Can you name me the last time a team fired their coach midway through the year and then signed a respectable candidate DURING that same season?

OKC firing Carlesimo for Brooks who turned around OKC's rebuild.
06 Heat firing SVG and Pat taking over, coaching them to a championship that very year.

akhenaten · Post #514 » by **akhenaten** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 3:42 am

The problem with a game like tonight is -- Derek Fisher is also a bad rookie coach. So let's assume he and JV cancelled each other out coaching-wise. That's where I think you can't hold the players blameless for how bad this team is playing. As much as Vaughn sucks, the Knicks weren't coached any better tonight, but their players outplayed our players. The coaching is bad, but the players are also playing badly.

thelead · Post #515 » by **thelead** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 3:42 am

magician4ever wrote:
thelead wrote:
Big Boss wrote:I think the FO will give JV the rest of the season and if we don't make the playoffs or get close to it then he's gone. Me personally fire him now get a new coach in here and have him get a head start implementing his philosophies. The players play the game but the coaches implement systems for them to be in the best positions to succeed, have our players been put in the best positions?

Can you name me the last time a team fired their coach midway through the year and then signed a respectable candidate DURING that same season?

OKC firing Carlesimo for Brooks who turned around OKC's rebuild.
06 Heat firing SVG and Pat taking over, coaching them to a championship that very year.

Brooks sucks. We don't have have a Pat Riley in our front office. What else you got?

KillMonger · Post #516 » by **KillMonger** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 3:44 am

thelead wrote:
Big Boss wrote:I think the FO will give JV the rest of the season and if we don't make the playoffs or get close to it then he's gone. Me personally fire him now get a new coach in here and have him get a head start implementing his philosophies. The players play the game but the coaches implement systems for them to be in the best positions to succeed, have our players been put in the best positions?

Can you name me the last time a team fired their coach midway through the year and then signed a respectable candidate DURING that same season?

Avery Johnson when he replaced Donnie Nelson, Mavs had a great season the very next year

woosah · Post #517 » by **woosah** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 3:45 am

thelead wrote:
magician4ever wrote:
thelead wrote:
Can you name me the last time a team fired their coach midway through the year and then signed a respectable candidate DURING that same season?

OKC firing Carlesimo for Brooks who turned around OKC's rebuild.
06 Heat firing SVG and Pat taking over, coaching them to a championship that very year.

Brooks sucks. We don't have have a Pat Riley in our front office. What else you got?

In times past were there candidates like George Karl and Mike Malone in the wings and available? I'm not sure i am getting your point here.

flying_mollusk · Post #518 » by **flying_mollusk** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 3:45 am

At this stage, it might be worth firing him just so Aaron Gordon can get a lot more minutes and in game development. I think Vaughn would not want to do that because he is fighting for his job. But firing him and putting in a filler would allow that to happen.

Plus it would send a message to the players that what is going on is unacceptable.

thelead · Post #519 » by **thelead** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 3:45 am

akhenaten wrote:The problem with a game like tonight is -- Derek Fisher is also a bad rookie coach. So let's assume he and JV cancelled each other out coaching-wise. That's where I think you can't hold the players blameless for how bad this team is playing. As much as Vaughn sucks, the Knicks weren't coached any better tonight, but their players outplayed our players. The coaching is bad, but the players are also playing badly.

He may be a bad X's and O's coach but his players (and most of the NBA circle) respect him. Not sure the same can be said for JV right now.

GameOver25 · Post #520 » by **GameOver25** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 3:45 am

claudio-br wrote:
GameOver25 wrote:Who's worst than us right now? Philly would spanks us right now, even the T-Wolves.

I wonder what you said after the wins against the Bulls and Rockets.

Since you're not paying attention, let me point out that I said "right now". Did you watch the game tonight?