Chad Ford changing and editing his draft boards for past years?!

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Re: Chad Ford changing and editing his draft boards for past years?! 

Post#21 » by Teen Girl Squad » Sun Jan 25, 2015 9:26 am

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Imon wrote:Whiffed on a bunch of guys but still saw that Austin Rivers was overrated ... or maybe everybody could see that.


He substantially changed Rivers' position after the fact.

This should ruin Chad Ford. This will always be the first thing I'll ever think of when I see or hear his name. BUT he'll still have his sources in front offices, and they aren't his readership, so this could go either way.


Agreed. I'm not one to overreact but if you whole raison d'etre at ESPN is to be draft analyst and you pull this, it kills any credibility he has.His NFL counterparts Kiper and McShay, for all of their faults, are usually rather forthcoming about the players they whiffed on.
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Re: Chad Ford changing and editing his draft boards for past years?! 

Post#22 » by Knosh » Sun Jan 25, 2015 10:25 am

Hahaha, so now someone tried to cover it up by undoing the changes. Can you really be that stupid? The guy used a freaking internet archive to show the changes...

2012 draft in 2012:
https://web.archive.org/web/20120629181640/http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft/results/top100?year=2012&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba%2fdraft%2fresults%2ftop100%3fyear%3d2012

2012 draft now (same as in 2012):
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft/results/top100/_/year/2012

But guess what, you can also use the web archive to see what it looked like a few months ago...
http://web.archive.org/web/20141028031929/http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft/results/top100/_/year/2012

See for example: Lillard jumping from #8 to #4
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Re: Chad Ford changing and editing his draft boards for past years?! 

Post#23 » by jax98 » Sun Jan 25, 2015 10:28 am

If this is really true, he deserves to be fired. That sort of breach of ehtics in journalism would for anyone else be enough grounds for a pink slip.

If executive heads knew about this, I hope this becomes a scandal. I'm somewhat annoyed that the biggest sports outlet out there, is treating their readers/viewers with such blantant disregard.
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Re: Chad Ford changing and editing his draft boards for past years?! 

Post#24 » by baubo » Sun Jan 25, 2015 11:17 am

I know a lot of fans may ask why bother, but some fans like me who actually do sometimes check previous mock drafts just to see what was said at the time. Usually it's when a trade happens and I'm curious about a youngster dealt during the deal.

This is terrible mainly because there's little upside. Since I'm sure people think of his mocks more as industry thoughts than his own magical ability to judge talent. I mean, if he truly could predict future success of prospects, he'd have a front office job by now making a much higher salary. Whenever I see him "correctly" predict a prospect, I don't think he's smart. I think that apparently front offices judged the prospects fairly accurately.
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Re: Chad Ford changing and editing his draft boards for past years?! 

Post#25 » by CoreConcept » Sun Jan 25, 2015 12:13 pm

Most ridiculous change
Paul Millsap from 49 to 13
https://i.imgur.com/2zceZ4h.png

https://web.archive.org/web/20060722132 ... ear%3d2006

http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/res ... /year/2006


2008 draft

https://web.archive.org/web/20100606032 ... ear%3d2008

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft/re ... /year/2008

Moves Deandre Jordan all the way from 19 to 9
Kevin Love from 7 to 3
Ibaka from out of the top 20 to 15
Ryan Anderson from outside the top 20 to 20
OJ Mayo from 3 to 5
Anthony Randolph from 6 to 11
Jason Thompson from 15 to out of the top 20
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Re: Chad Ford changing and editing his draft boards for past years?! 

Post#26 » by Collymore » Sun Jan 25, 2015 12:48 pm

Has he referred to his updated rankings in interviews, tweets etc?
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Re: Chad Ford changing and editing his draft boards for past years?! 

Post#27 » by Reservoirdawgs » Sun Jan 25, 2015 12:52 pm

The redditor should have taken screencaps of the changes because it looks like someone changed the links back to the original predictions.
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Re: Chad Ford changing and editing his draft boards for past years?! 

Post#28 » by Collymore » Sun Jan 25, 2015 1:03 pm

Reservoirdawgs wrote:The redditor should have taken screencaps of the changes because it looks like someone changed the links back to the original predictions.

That's even more stupid since Wayback Machine was used. He's digging...
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Re: Chad Ford changing and editing his draft boards for past years?! 

Post#29 » by Knosh » Sun Jan 25, 2015 1:12 pm

Reservoirdawgs wrote:The redditor should have taken screencaps of the changes because it looks like someone changed the links back to the original predictions.


Plenty of pics on twitter and reddit already..

Spoiler:
[tweet]https://twitter.com/brownasthenight/status/559180072691970048[/tweet]

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Millsap going from #49 to #13 :)
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Plus, as I said, you can also use the wayback machine to see how it looked a few months ago.
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Post#30 » by LloydFree » Sun Jan 25, 2015 2:05 pm

Jonathan Givony's (Draftexpress) reaction that this got out:

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Re: Chad Ford changing and editing his draft boards for past years?! 

Post#31 » by NCHeels2008 » Sun Jan 25, 2015 2:07 pm

ESPN continues to lose credibility as a news source, just show us the games and leave the analysis to real experts.
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Re: Chad Ford changing and editing his draft boards for past years?! 

Post#32 » by Dmanning2 » Sun Jan 25, 2015 2:23 pm

LMAO caught red handed so he changed it back
ohio wrote:mudiay is a better player... so is Okafor... what the hell was LA thinking
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Re: Chad Ford changing and editing his draft boards for past years?! 

Post#33 » by Senior » Sun Jan 25, 2015 2:28 pm

This isn't the first hunch anyone's had either. Check out this tweet of a forum post from draft day 2013

[tweet]https://twitter.com/haralabob/status/559184540912984064[/tweet]
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Re: Chad Ford changing and editing his draft boards for past years?! 

Post#34 » by Doctor MJ » Sun Jan 25, 2015 2:51 pm

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Doctor MJ wrote:It's so weird to me that he, or anyone else, would feel a temptation to do this given that Ford isn't supposed to be giving his opinion, he's supposed to be going by what teams actually think.

So, when MCW gets moved up from #9 on Ford's actual board to #7 on the fake version, he's actually getting further off the mark from what was actually thought at the time (#11). WTF?

I wonder if we'll ever know the story here. It won't shock me if it turns out to be someone other than Ford who is responsible for this. Regardless, it obviously make him look bad...but realistically, if Darko couldn't kill Ford's career, it's hard to imagine this would.


Thing is everyone got Darko wrong wasn't just him.

This is pretty sketch. He's a fool for thinking he could get away with this if it was him.

And his big board is reflective of his opinion of the top 100 prospects (with input from scouts). His mock draft is reflective of what the teams think/ where he thinks guys will have selected.

So MCW rising on his big board makes him look smarter which is why this was done.


The issue with Ford & Darko is that he was instrumental in pushing Darko's story. Read his words on Darko and you get the impression that Darko was Rambo-esque, having lived through live & death struggle and perplexed at the notion that playing a child's game was something remotely intimidating. Others ended up writing similar things, but Ford did it first so far as I know, and he did it repeatedly.
And yes, he did have quotes from scouts and executives that backed up this narrative, but articles like this don't just happen. The author decides to write like this, and even with the quotes: Those come from prompted questions by the author that the author typically doesn't include in the article.

Given what we now know of Darko. How rigid he was in his play. How he seemed overwhelmed by the NBA. It sure looks like a case where people made a conscious choice to craft a narrative for Darko based on what Americans would find believable and impressive about a kid from Serbia, and while it may not be clear who started that ball rolling, clearly the one who poured gasoline on the fire was Ford. You can't do that and merely be claiming to be reporting on what others say.

But with all that said, you're quite right that this is the wrinkle that allowed Ford to survive the debacle. His reputation was damaged, but not like it would be if he was marketing himself as a scouting guru.
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Re: Chad Ford changing and editing his draft boards for past years?! 

Post#35 » by JDR720 » Sun Jan 25, 2015 2:57 pm

feel bad for people who pay to see his draft stuff
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Re: Chad Ford changing and editing his draft boards for past years?! 

Post#36 » by irie » Sun Jan 25, 2015 3:33 pm

I wouldn't be surprised at all if it was some ESPN editor going through and changing them to improve the appearance of their "experts'" pre-draft selections. I also wouldn't be surprised if this was something going on in other major sports mock drafts on ESPN.
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Post#37 » by Scotty Rogers » Sun Jan 25, 2015 3:41 pm

I could be wrong but wasn't Chad Ford getting looked as a possible gm candidate a few years ago? Could have just been some of his buddies at ESPN trying to push his name out there, but I swear I remember hearing that somewhere... I'm guessing this doesn't help his personal "stock."
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Re: Chad Ford changing and editing his draft boards for past years?! 

Post#38 » by Leto » Sun Jan 25, 2015 3:43 pm

Yeah, I'm getting sick of ESPN's NBA coverage. It might as well be the LeBron fan boy page. I'm just going to use NBA dot com from now on.
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Re: Chad Ford changing and editing his draft boards for past years?! 

Post#39 » by Captain_Obvious » Sun Jan 25, 2015 3:46 pm

Clicked the links for 2013 draft, and the top 20 matches for both now and the cached version. Has it been rolled back?
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Re: Chad Ford changing and editing his draft boards for past years?! 

Post#40 » by Shot Clock » Sun Jan 25, 2015 3:48 pm

This is a new low
anyone involved in that meddling to justice”. NO COLLUSION

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