Official Trade Thread: New Year, New Thread, New Laughs

[nevetsov]

Eesh, are we at that point of the season already? Careful Kerrsed or you'll have Testic wanting to raise your TWill trade with an Anthony Randolph trade.

[NavLDO]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jwqf9zf

Bledsoe/MCW
Dragic/Goodwin/Dragic
Tucker/Warren/Bullock
Noel/Johnson
Len/Wright/Capella

IR: Richardson (expiring and would never suit up)

Why do you want MCW so much!!??

I can't understand it...He's better than Terrence Williams but I think he'd be a horrible fit in that second unit, not a single shooter in the second unit...Not to mention we give up 3 starter level guys for 1, who the Suns already passed on to take Len...

I agree with the Mo Bros most likely to be dealt, but I feel it would only be a deal like this where we land a true difference maker:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lmuzcp6

Suns make a massive splash and land Bosh who fits our team to a T...the bench depth is obliterated but the starting 5 is perfectly balanced. We keep 4/5 of the starting 5 and land a legit star who can get the buckets we need to close out games.

Len
Bosh
Tucker
Dragic
Bledsoe
---
Wright
Plumlee
Warren
Bullock
TEnnis
Goodwin
JEnnis

Heat run with

Whiteside
Markieff
Deng
Wade
Thomas

^That could do some damage in the East and they'd have much better depth too.

Suns could follow up with a smaller deal to sort the lack of a bench, maybe send out Plumlee + JEnnis to NY for Hardaway and Aldrich?

Probably the best trade idea on this page, but still not a huge fan. Bosh would get us to playoffs, I guess.

But some of these trades that net us...

Hollinger's Analysis: -14 Wins or Hollinger's Analysis: -12 Wins

...just not good for us, and yes, I get that the win analysis is flawed, but in both those cases, they look pretty close. Below are the three trade ideas from the last page...are any of these viable ideas, or just as bad as the rest on this page. I really would love some feedback. I truly am trying to get a better feel for these trade machine ideas.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=l2bnump

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=n6sr4qk

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=pzc3nlx

Any thoughts? Any chance Detroit could be enticed to give up Drummond for Len, Dragic, and fillers?

[Kerrsed]

Eesh, are we at that point of the season already? Careful Kerrsed or you'll have Testic wanting to raise your TWill trade with an Anthony Randolph trade.

I know!

Anthony Randolph has SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MUCH POTENTIAL! He can play any position from SF to C! He is just BURSTING with POTENTIAL!! Potential Potential Potential Potential Potential Potential Potential. If he were just on the right team (INSERT POSTERS TEAM HERE), he would DOMINATE because he just has so much potential!

Potential Potential Potential.

[Revived]

Coming into the season, I certainly expected for the Suns to have traded one of their 4 PGs by now.

Either they don't have as much value as the Suns thought or....?

[Kjdills13]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=p9hargu

suns- Love
Pacers- Dragic, Thompson
Cavs- Hibbert, Morris, Morris, stuckey


Suns- get the star they need.
Pacers- Want dragic get him and the young center
Cavs- Get the rim Protector they need, while still keeping a stretch 4 in morris, and a great bench guy in the other morris. and a backup point guard

All these guys for the cavs are under contract for a while so it gives them security

Irving / stuckey
Smith / shumpart
James / Morris * 2 / marrion
Morris / Thompson / Morris*2
Hibbert/ Thompson / Mozgov

[Revived]

Cavs look so good right now, I think their finally clicking so I doubt they make any trades involving Love, 'Bron or Irving.

Mozgov has actually been real good for them too so their no longer looking to upgrade with Hibbert.

[AZWildByNature]

Buy: Suns Selling Miles Plumlee
The Phoenix Suns' recent acquisition of Brandan Wright from the Boston Celtics didn't bode well for Miles Plumlee's future with the team.

ESPN.com's Marc Stein reported on Jan. 18 that Phoenix was "actively shopping" the third-year big man in advance of the trade deadline. "The Suns are believed to be seeking at least one future first-round pick" for Plumlee, according to Stein, which appears to be a healthy dose of wishful thinking.

According to Grantland's Zach Lowe, "there is major skepticism [among executives] about whether any team would meet that price." Considering Plumlee has yet to post an above-average player-efficiency rating in any of his three seasons, demanding a future first-rounder for him will likely get Phoenix nowhere fast.

If the Suns lower their asking price for the Duke product, however, they should have little trouble finding a taker. ESPN.com's Kevin Pelton recently discussed the allure of the eldest Plumlee:
“

Plumlee already has a season-plus of starting experience, so while his age (26) limits his upside, he's a useful rotation center at a reasonable price ($2.1 million in 2015-16, the final season of his rookie contract). And if his rebound rate returns to where it was in 2013-14, he might be something more.
”
Phoenix shouldn't just give him away for 20 cents on the dollar, but moving him might be necessary if the Oklahoma City Thunder or New Orleans Pelicans close the gap on them in the playoff race. Expect the Suns to find a taker for Plumlee by the trade deadline, even if it doesn't net them a first-round pick in return.

Maybe a Future 1st with Lottery Protection?

Would the Suns trade Plumlee and Bullock to the Sixers for Andrei Kirilenko and an early 2nd?

Sell: Houston Landing a Stud Point Guard
At first glance, the Houston Rockets don't appear to be in need of a major shakeup. They have the league's fifth-best record, tout a top-five defense and a top-10 net rating, and have already added forward Josh Smith and swingman Corey Brewer since mid-December.

Despite an MVP-caliber first half of the season from James Harden, however, the Rockets offense leaves much to be desired. They're ranked 14th on that end of the court, and when Harden sits, they only score 91.6 points per 100 possessions, higher than only the Philadelphia 76ers' dismal mark (91.1 points per 100).

As Bleacher Report's Kelly Scaletta recently noted, the lack of a reliable shot-creator outside of Harden limits Houston's offensive ceiling, which figures to haunt the squad at some point in the Western Conference playoff gauntlet. Accordingly, general manager Daryl Morey appears to be on the hunt for a starting-caliber point guard, which would push Patrick Beverley into a smaller role.

"The Houston Rockets are still looking for a point guard, and whether it's Michael Carter-Williams or [Jose] Calderon, I would expect that the Rockets still have one more move to make," Bleacher Report's Ric Bucher recently opined. "Maybe not a gigantic name on a Rajon Rondo level, but a significant name nonetheless."

The Rockets have numerous enticing trade chips, including third-year forward Terrence Jones and a protected 2015 first-round draft pick from the New Orleans Pelicans, so it's not as though they don't have the assets to complete a deal. It takes two to tango, however, and few difference-making floor generals figure to make their way onto the trade market over the next few weeks.

Bucher mentioned Deron Williams of the Brooklyn Nets and Phoenix Suns point guard Goran Dragic as two potential targets for Morey between now and the trade deadline. However, with Phoenix clinging to the No. 8 seed out West and Williams currently battling a rib injury, expect the Rockets to come up short in their pursuit of a stud point guard.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2335 ... line-month

Dragic not going to Houston...

[Qwigglez]

I would say no to Wilson Chandler idea. I'd rather we allow TJ Warren to develop.
I doubt this would happen but I'd like to see if we can throw our treasure chest at the Jazz in exchange for Derrick Favors. The Jazz have been running a Kanter/Gobert lineup and it hasn't looked too bad, so maybe they would consider selling Favors.
Suns get-
Derrick Favors

Jazz get-
Goran Dragic
Miles Plumlee
Lakers 1st, Suns 1st

The Jazz need help in their backcourt badly. They also need a veteran.
Suns get a legit PF.

The Jazz will most likely say no, but I think I would throw the same package minus the picks for Enes Kanter if we believe Dragic is leaving over the offseason. Kanter hasn't been too bad this season and he's still only 22. He has a decent mid-range jumper, and can even hit the occasional three. I think he's more suited as a PF with an elite rim protector (Len) next to him.

[AtheJ415]

Plumlee's on a super cheap rookie deal and has a few years left on it, so imo there's no rush to move him. PER is a bad stat to begin with, and I've seen firsts dealt for worse players. Also, there's no guarantee we keep Wright, so I'd be okay keeping Plumlee until the offseason. I will be incredibly disappointed if Green hasn't been moved by the deadline though, or if one of our SF's (Tucker or Morris) hasn't been moved by the start of next season. If Warren develops as expected into a guy who can see the floor next year, that $5 million Morris or Tucker make can be more useful elsewhere.

[AtheJ415]

Buy: Suns Selling Miles Plumlee
The Phoenix Suns' recent acquisition of Brandan Wright from the Boston Celtics didn't bode well for Miles Plumlee's future with the team.

ESPN.com's Marc Stein reported on Jan. 18 that Phoenix was "actively shopping" the third-year big man in advance of the trade deadline. "The Suns are believed to be seeking at least one future first-round pick" for Plumlee, according to Stein, which appears to be a healthy dose of wishful thinking.

According to Grantland's Zach Lowe, "there is major skepticism [among executives] about whether any team would meet that price." Considering Plumlee has yet to post an above-average player-efficiency rating in any of his three seasons, demanding a future first-rounder for him will likely get Phoenix nowhere fast.

If the Suns lower their asking price for the Duke product, however, they should have little trouble finding a taker. ESPN.com's Kevin Pelton recently discussed the allure of the eldest Plumlee:
“

Plumlee already has a season-plus of starting experience, so while his age (26) limits his upside, he's a useful rotation center at a reasonable price ($2.1 million in 2015-16, the final season of his rookie contract). And if his rebound rate returns to where it was in 2013-14, he might be something more.
”
Phoenix shouldn't just give him away for 20 cents on the dollar, but moving him might be necessary if the Oklahoma City Thunder or New Orleans Pelicans close the gap on them in the playoff race. Expect the Suns to find a taker for Plumlee by the trade deadline, even if it doesn't net them a first-round pick in return.

Maybe a Future 1st with Lottery Protection?

Would the Suns trade Plumlee and Bullock to the Sixers for Andrei Kirilenko and an early 2nd?

Sell: Houston Landing a Stud Point Guard
At first glance, the Houston Rockets don't appear to be in need of a major shakeup. They have the league's fifth-best record, tout a top-five defense and a top-10 net rating, and have already added forward Josh Smith and swingman Corey Brewer since mid-December.

Despite an MVP-caliber first half of the season from James Harden, however, the Rockets offense leaves much to be desired. They're ranked 14th on that end of the court, and when Harden sits, they only score 91.6 points per 100 possessions, higher than only the Philadelphia 76ers' dismal mark (91.1 points per 100).

As Bleacher Report's Kelly Scaletta recently noted, the lack of a reliable shot-creator outside of Harden limits Houston's offensive ceiling, which figures to haunt the squad at some point in the Western Conference playoff gauntlet. Accordingly, general manager Daryl Morey appears to be on the hunt for a starting-caliber point guard, which would push Patrick Beverley into a smaller role.

"The Houston Rockets are still looking for a point guard, and whether it's Michael Carter-Williams or [Jose] Calderon, I would expect that the Rockets still have one more move to make," Bleacher Report's Ric Bucher recently opined. "Maybe not a gigantic name on a Rajon Rondo level, but a significant name nonetheless."

The Rockets have numerous enticing trade chips, including third-year forward Terrence Jones and a protected 2015 first-round draft pick from the New Orleans Pelicans, so it's not as though they don't have the assets to complete a deal. It takes two to tango, however, and few difference-making floor generals figure to make their way onto the trade market over the next few weeks.

Bucher mentioned Deron Williams of the Brooklyn Nets and Phoenix Suns point guard Goran Dragic as two potential targets for Morey between now and the trade deadline. However, with Phoenix clinging to the No. 8 seed out West and Williams currently battling a rib injury, expect the Rockets to come up short in their pursuit of a stud point guard.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2335 ... line-month

Dragic not going to Houston...

Why would we want Kirilenko? I don't understand trading 2 young guys on rookie deals for an over the hill vet and an early 2nd. McDonough actually likes Bullock, and Plumlee is as good as 99% of the players you get with early 2nd round picks.

[AtheJ415]

I just see getting anyone much older than our current cast as not fitting the long-term plans of the team. Don't trade youth for age just to get the 8 spot. I'd rather us overpay in players and picks for a young guy we like than get a guy who can't possibly help us 3 years from now when most of this team starts to reach its potential.

[RaisingArizona]

I still think we will trade the MoBros this season. Besides Philly (Hometown kids and they need talent) i wonder what other teams would be possibilities.

Any ideas (with a plausible explanation)?

I don't think so. Everyone around here acts like they beat their wife( Kidd), threw a towel in the coaches face (Horry), got multiple DUI's(J-Rich) or drug/sex assault charges( Beasley). They did none of the above besides get a few T's. In the grand scheme of things, 10 T'S cost the team maybe 7 or 8 points. I really don't see the big deal here.

[RaisingArizona]

Was our FO this incompetent when we had Barkley?

[AtheJ415]

I still think we will trade the MoBros this season. Besides Philly (Hometown kids and they need talent) i wonder what other teams would be possibilities.

Any ideas (with a plausible explanation)?

I don't think so. Everyone around here acts like they beat their wife( Kidd), threw a towel in the coaches face (Horry), got multiple DUI's(J-Rich) or drug/sex assault charges( Beasley). They did none of the above besides get a few T's. In the grand scheme of things, 10 T'S cost the team maybe 7 or 8 points. I really don't see the big deal here.

It costs us every single game when refs subconsciously don't like us because our entire team, led by the Mo Bros and PJ, complain on every shot make or miss. They've also done it at times and in situations that have literally cost us games. And on top of that many times they don't get back on D, costing us points, because they're too busy yelling at officials or lying on the floor to demonstrably sell a flop, only to miraculously recover when we're back on offense again.

They aren't bad people. But when they act this way they seem unbelievably immature and flat out embarrassing for veteran players. It lets the team down and shouldn't be tolerated. It's how absolutely preventable and unnecessary all of it is that bothers us fans. It's just stupid, and it's infuriating to watch it happen again and again after they say they've learned their lesson. I'd be okay with us trading Marcus, but I like Kieff as a player. I don't want him moved. But the T's are inexcusable and they deserve to be bad-mouthed on this forum until they stop it.

[King4Day]

Why would we want Kirilenko? I don't understand trading 2 young guys on rookie deals for an over the hill vet and an early 2nd. McDonough actually likes Bullock, and Plumlee is as good as 99% of the players you get with early 2nd round picks.

Plus, I don't think Kirilenko has even played for them yet. He wants to stay on the east coast. He'd never play for us.

I want no part of Bosh's contract.
I don't want Love if we'd have to dump Dragic in the process.

[NavLDO]

I still think we will trade the MoBros this season. Besides Philly (Hometown kids and they need talent) i wonder what other teams would be possibilities.

Any ideas (with a plausible explanation)?

I don't think so. Everyone around here acts like they beat their wife( Kidd), threw a towel in the coaches face (Horry), got multiple DUI's(J-Rich) or drug/sex assault charges( Beasley). They did none of the above besides get a few T's. In the grand scheme of things, 10 T'S cost the team maybe 7 or 8 points. I really don't see the big deal here.

The only way I'd be satisfied with trading the Morri were if we got an upgrade back--kind of like the Favors trade above, but I wouldn't give ALL that up for him--he's not that much better than Kieff.

But, maybe something like this:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=khvzrlw

Salmons is only to make the numbers work, but they get the Morri and Green for Anderson, and I would suspect we'd have to throw in a pick somewhere, but that might be an option--CusMo and KieffMo are not that big of a drop off from Anderson, plus they get a scoring SG/SF, providing depth at a position where they could use it.

Or, swap PFs with Boston--AGAIN, I know--

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=khvzrlw

We'd have to throw in some picks for sure, but the Morri are on very favorable contracts for Boston. OR...

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=knm5etl

We can save a pick or two while taking on Bradley's 4 year contract and they get Goran.

Or this pile o' crap from the Rockets!

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=loo2zcy

They get Goran and the Morri, and we get a poo-poo platter of, well, poo-poo

Or, one last one, with Toronto to get Patterson--Fields expiring thrown in to make it work--they get the Morri and Green. Not sure if this would sit fine as is, or of draft picks need to be involved.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=l4jk58p


Well, there you go...trade the Morri ideas!!!

[RaisingArizona]

I still think we will trade the MoBros this season. Besides Philly (Hometown kids and they need talent) i wonder what other teams would be possibilities.

Any ideas (with a plausible explanation)?

I don't think so. Everyone around here acts like they beat their wife( Kidd), threw a towel in the coaches face (Horry), got multiple DUI's(J-Rich) or drug/sex assault charges( Beasley). They did none of the above besides get a few T's. In the grand scheme of things, 10 T'S cost the team maybe 7 or 8 points. I really don't see the big deal here.

It costs us every single game when refs subconsciously don't like us because our entire team, led by the Mo Bros and PJ, complain on every shot make or miss. They've also done it at times and in situations that have literally cost us games. And on top of that many times they don't get back on D, costing us points, because they're too busy yelling at officials or lying on the floor to demonstrably sell a flop, only to miraculously recover when we're back on offense again.

They aren't bad people. But when they act this way they seem unbelievably immature and flat out embarrassing for veteran players. It lets the team down and shouldn't be tolerated. It's how absolutely preventable and unnecessary all of it is that bothers us fans. It's just stupid, and it's infuriating to watch it happen again and again after they say they've learned their lesson. I'd be okay with us trading Marcus, but I like Kieff as a player. I don't want him moved. But the T's are inexcusable and they deserve to be bad-mouthed on this forum until they stop it.

The refs should be calling an unbiased game anyways. The perception of our team attitude should have little to do with the calls being made.

[Revived]

Anyone else think that Kieff started getting more techs once we paired him with his brother?

I don't remember techs being an issue his first 2 years in the league.

[JJ13]

Anyone else think that Kieff started getting more techs once we paired him with his brother?

I don't remember techs being an issue his first 2 years in the league.

Ya they think they're the cool kids now, especially since older players have left. Not a bad thing as I do believe they are good leaders...but the tech's don't reflect that.

[thamadkant]

Anyone else think that Kieff started getting more techs once we paired him with his brother?

I don't remember techs being an issue his first 2 years in the league.

I think they've picked up some attitude... And it's not positive.

They've shown some arrogance, which is fine if they were stars, as they back it up on the court, atleast you can be a fan of their performances. But for me, I will always be looking for upgrades from them, both abilities and attitude.

Still can't erase that image of Marcus Morris yelling at Hornacek and Markieff talking smack to a rookie on the media.