Trade Targets (postcript on yesterday-other teams)

[paulpressey25]

I will be shocked if Kanter gets more than a 4yr 40m deal. He looks good, but not 12-15m good, and there is not a lot of willing buyers out there for 2015 outside of the Lakers and Knicks, who will each have their eyes set much higher than a 22yr old who needs more time to grow yet.

The size and age will drive his price very high.

Pek got a 5/$60 deal from the T-Wolves at age 27 18-months ago before the new TV deal.

I think Kanter is a better player and obviously younger. Someone will get desperate and offer him a 4/$54 at least. And Utah maybe matches that.

[Giannis Parker]

I will be shocked if Kanter gets more than a 4yr 40m deal. He looks good, but not 12-15m good, and there is not a lot of willing buyers out there for 2015 outside of the Lakers and Knicks, who will each have their eyes set much higher than a 22yr old who needs more time to grow yet.

The size and age will drive his price very high.

Pek got a 5/$60 deal from the T-Wolves at age 27 18-months ago before the new TV deal.

I think Kanter is a better player and obviously younger. Someone will get desperate and offer him a 4/$54 at least. And Utah maybe matches that.

Pek was averaging 16-9 with a very high FG% Pek when he got 5/60 was a much better player than Kanter currently is, but I do think Kanter can become better than Pek. Maybe a team will pay Kanter on his potential, but his production suggests 6-8m, so 8-10m is all I see him getting annually.

[CaptainAwesome]

I will be shocked if Kanter gets more than a 4yr 40m deal. He looks good, but not 12-15m good, and there is not a lot of willing buyers out there for 2015 outside of the Lakers and Knicks, who will each have their eyes set much higher than a 22yr old who needs more time to grow yet.

The size and age will drive his price very high.

Pek got a 5/$60 deal from the T-Wolves at age 27 18-months ago before the new TV deal.

I think Kanter is a better player and obviously younger. Someone will get desperate and offer him a 4/$54 at least. And Utah maybe matches that.

With Gobert showing that he can play well when Kanter was out, I don't think Utah wastes money on Kanter.

That said, if Utah wants to keep Kanter, why don't we try to get Gobert...?

[Insomniaac]

I will be shocked if Kanter gets more than a 4yr 40m deal. He looks good, but not 12-15m good, and there is not a lot of willing buyers out there for 2015 outside of the Lakers and Knicks, who will each have their eyes set much higher than a 22yr old who needs more time to grow yet.

The size and age will drive his price very high.

Pek got a 5/$60 deal from the T-Wolves at age 27 18-months ago before the new TV deal.

I think Kanter is a better player and obviously younger. Someone will get desperate and offer him a 4/$54 at least. And Utah maybe matches that.

With Gobert showing that he can play well when Kanter was out, I don't think Utah wastes money on Kanter.

That said, if Utah wants to keep Kanter, why don't we try to get Gobert...?

Gobert is Utah's Giannis, he isn't going anywhere.

[TroyD92]

Big guys always get over-payed. Especially young ones.

[CaptainAwesome]

The size and age will drive his price very high.

Pek got a 5/$60 deal from the T-Wolves at age 27 18-months ago before the new TV deal.

I think Kanter is a better player and obviously younger. Someone will get desperate and offer him a 4/$54 at least. And Utah maybe matches that.

With Gobert showing that he can play well when Kanter was out, I don't think Utah wastes money on Kanter.

That said, if Utah wants to keep Kanter, why don't we try to get Gobert...?

Gobert is Utah's Giannis, he isn't going anywhere.

That's my point, but if Utah wants to be dumb and throw big bucks at Kanter plus the big bucks they have tied up with Favors at the 4/5 and Hayward at the wing means that they wouldn't be likely able to afford Gobert.

[Insomniaac]

With Gobert showing that he can play well when Kanter was out, I don't think Utah wastes money on Kanter.

That said, if Utah wants to keep Kanter, why don't we try to get Gobert...?

Gobert is Utah's Giannis, he isn't going anywhere.

That's my point, but if Utah wants to be dumb and throw big bucks at Kanter plus the big bucks they have tied up with Favors at the 4/5 and Hayward at the wing means that they wouldn't be likely able to afford Gobert.

My bad, your first point didn't fully register. I agree with you. Although even if they do pay Kanter for some reason, I still think Gobert is completely off the table.

[mattg]

Gobert is unattainable. Utah will do literally whatever it takes to keep him so it's not even worth talking about.

[paulpressey25]

With the cap going to $90 million, they can afford to keep Favors, Kanter and Gobert.

Hayward's deal doesn't look so bad now. They only sketchy deal they have is Burk's.

They aren't really in any sort of salary trouble. I'd keep Kanter and if things work out you've got a great 3 man bigs rotation. If they don't all three of those guys are easily tradeable.

[Ron Swanson]

Big guys always get over-payed. Especially young ones.

This. Overpaying Kanter is a moot point. It's just going to depend on "how much" you want to overpay for him.

DeAndre Jordan looked like a significant overpay his first couple seasons after signing that 4-yr $44 mil extension (coincidentally at age 22). I'd say he's pretty underpaid as of now...

[M-C-G]

I don't think Henson plus 2 2nds gets it done...or rather, I think they could shop him and find a better deal. Kanter is likely going to benefit from NYK and LAL striking out on the big free agents, so they should have some cap to throw at the tier 2 guys (like Kanter and Middleton)

Would be interesting to see what they want for him, but my guess is that they would ask for Middleton plus a first. I do think he would be a great fit, as a physical versatile big in Kidds system, assuming he could get a little better at passing. If he puts in effort, he should be okay defensively in Kidds system.

[mlloyd10]

Nuggets get: Henson/Stauskas
Jazz get: Thompson/Middleton
Kings get: Ilyasova/Clippers 2017 1st
Bucks get: Lawson/Kanter

[HurricaneKid]

Or just overpay for Kanter this summer and trade Henson for a late 1st or something. If Jazz match oh well, don't really have interest in him anyways.

We won't have the cap room this summer to put out a $12 to $15 million dollar offer which is what it will take to even be in the ballpark with Kanter. By trading for him now, you get his Bird rights and the inside track to re-sign him.

So the answer is to give up assets, then overpay him massively??

BTW, he is not getting anything near that figure. He has some nice games against bigs he can bully but against actual competition he is always destroyed. His game against our front line is not something he does against real front lines.

And a guy who has made 14 career 3s in a 3 1/2 year career is NOT a stretch big.

We are talking about a guy who isn't even close to the passer Monroe is, is an equally bad defensive player but has some ::where's that weightlifter smilie:: to his game against smaller guys. And for that we pay him how much? Monroe wasn't getting any 8M/ offers last year.

[mattg]

Yeah not sure why people like kanter. He's a black hole in the post, he can sometimes bully smaller guys, but that's his entire game. Can't block shots, can't defend in space, isn't a passer, and an unimpressive jumpshooter. Wouldn't even consider paying him more than 7 mil. I'd rather just play zaza to bring much of the same stuff kanter brings.

I'd also rather keep Henson and see if he improves further. I'm not even a Henson fan at all, but his passing has made strides and he can potentially defend.

[eagle13]

Centers (& a couple PFs) to consider that are realistically available

NAME-------PER-TS%-YR-age-wgt---mpg-rpg-bpg-ppg----fg%-3p%-ft%
ajinca------19.9-662--0--26--248----12-4.1-0.5-5.1----- 621-000-738 - UFA
aldrich-----15.9-516--0--26--250----17-5.5-0.8-5.6----- 494-000-750 - UFA
asik-------- 15.4-545--1--28--255----26-10-0.7-7.1----- 532-000-588
Henson----17.4-596--2--24--220----16-3.6-1.7-5.9----- 575-000-651
kanter ---- 17.9-544--1--22--245----28-7.5-0.4-14------ 503-350-821 - RFA
Leonard---15.2-591--2--24--255----15-4.5-0.3-5.7------516-442-895
lopez ------19.0-544--1--26--275----26-6.0-1.6-15.------496-167-820
mcgee-----17.5-615--2--27---252----12-3.1-1.0-5.4------580-000-680
montjns--- 13.7-555 -2- 24---222----28-6.0-0.5-11 ------510-312-644
olynyk-----16.4-592--3--23--238-----25-5.3-0.7-11.-----506-353-682
oquiin ---- 18.1-585 -1 -24 --250-----20-4.7-1.1-8.5----- 508-381-871 - RFA
zeller-------19.3-662--2--25--250-----20-5.2-0.7-9.2------569-000-849
zaza--------13.7-501--2--30--240-----23-6.3-0.3-10------460-000-775
sanders----15.4-507--3--26--235-----22-6.1-1.8-7.2----- 500-000-500

davis ------17.8-601 -1--25 --225---- 24-7.0-1.2-7.8 ---- 586-000-513
jones ----- 18.9-563- 2- 23 --252---- 29-7.5-1.8-14 ------521-429-750

I want 4 big guys to go with Giannis and Parker at PF/SF.
I like Kanter and OQuinn as my first choice for big guys since their RFA, young, both good rebounders and decent 3pt shooters. OQuinn is also a decent shot blocker. I also like Jones as he has girth and is a very good rebounder 3 pt shooter and shot blocker. He and Kanter average in double digits scoring. Jones has 2-3 week injury that perhaps makes him available at a deal especially now that they have Smith. Lastly Leonard is a very solid backup also a good rebounder with good 3p shot. Both Jones & Leonard are signed thru next season.

TRADES
1) middleton(exp) ersan –UT – kanter(rfa) 2nd 2nd - (we dump Ersan's 3 years)

2) Henson (+2nd?) – ORL- OQuinn(rfa) - (Henson is more the rim protector Magic want)

3) zaza bayless – HOU – jones terry(exp) - (Rockets need true backup Center)

4) 1st(lac) obryant – POR – Leonard barton 2nd

Then I want Holiday at PG and slide Knight to SG. Jrue has an injury that will keep him out 2-3 weeks.
Bucks unload Mayo & Dudley

5) 3 TEAM 6 PLAYER
MIL- mayo Dudley 1st(lp) // holiday babbitt(exp)
PHX- ennis bullock // Dudley 2nd
NOP- holiday Babbitt 2nd // ennis mayo bullock 1st(lp)

all players added are under 25 except Terry

[EastSideBucksFan]

Yeah not sure why people like kanter. He's a black hole in the post, he can sometimes bully smaller guys, but that's his entire game. Can't block shots, can't defend in space, isn't a passer, and an unimpressive jumpshooter. Wouldn't even consider paying him more than 7 mil. I'd rather just play zaza to bring much of the same stuff kanter brings.

I'd also rather keep Henson and see if he improves further. I'm not even a Henson fan at all, but his passing has made strides and he can potentially defend.

Scoring in the post and being able to draw double teams is an elite skill and something the Bucks lack sorely.

If he continues to develop, having a low post option on a team can do so many things for your offense.

[HurricaneKid]

OQuinn has a really fascinating skill set. He really struggled to play the 4 this year and with Orl sporting Vuc at C he may be available. They also have Toby, Frye, and Gordon at the 4 so there is no way he is getting any more min besides backup 5 min.

I think every FA is going to get overpaid the next two seasons as teams get ready for the massive cap jump. But give me Koufos/OQuinn or even Motie any day. I want guys who can pass/defend.

[Perishable517]

I am not a fan of trading away even the Clipper's first this year. Potentially, we could combine that, and the Bucks pick to move up and perhaps get the specific guy we want. No need to rush at this moment.

[mattg]

Yeah not sure why people like kanter. He's a black hole in the post, he can sometimes bully smaller guys, but that's his entire game. Can't block shots, can't defend in space, isn't a passer, and an unimpressive jumpshooter. Wouldn't even consider paying him more than 7 mil. I'd rather just play zaza to bring much of the same stuff kanter brings.

I'd also rather keep Henson and see if he improves further. I'm not even a Henson fan at all, but his passing has made strides and he can potentially defend.

Scoring in the post and being able to draw double teams is an elite skill and something the Bucks lack sorely.

If he continues to develop, having a low post option on a team can do so many things for your offense.

Drawing double teams becomes significantly less valuable when you aren't a great passer. You can't run an offense through kanter because of that. So then it comes down to paying a premium for ISO post scoring basically. Ironic that so many are willing to pay for that when the idea of paying knight disgusts them.

I don't disagree that the bucks lack a great post scorer who can draw doubles, but that doesn't justify paying kanter. Using that type of reasoning is what leads to a team drafting a Joe Alexander because the team sorely lacks excitement.

[mlloyd10]

Blazers get: Knight/Ilyasova
Bucks get: Robinson/McCollum/Leonard