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Re: GT #45 Wizards at Nuggets 1/25/2015 8pm ET 

Post#261 » by hands11 » Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:50 pm

Higga wrote:Always tough to win on the road, especially 2nd game of a back to back and even more so in Denver with that altitude coming off a tough loss the night before.

Thought for sure game was over when Faried went to the foul line, but this years Wizards team has some kinda mojo going for it.


Been posted 3 times now and something that shouldn't be forgotten.

W is a W. Even harder if its on the road. Even harder if its on a back to back. Even harder 1 mile above sea level on a back to back.

It was ugly, but they did win under all those conditions.

And with the refs giving Beal and Wall very little compared with what they were called for. Hell, wasn't even just Wall and Beal. I remember a DEN player running over I think Rasual and Rasual called for the foul.

There were a few that went the Wizards way but another terrible night for the refs.
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Re: GT #45 Wizards at Nuggets 1/25/2015 8pm ET 

Post#262 » by Ruzious » Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:51 pm

Translation - Nene moved his pivot foot. They were legit calls even if officials usually let that go.
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Re: GT #45 Wizards at Nuggets 1/25/2015 8pm ET 

Post#263 » by hands11 » Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:59 pm

Kanyewest wrote:
queridiculo wrote:Webster getting minutes over Porter is a huge disappointment.

I'm not down on Porter, I'm just curious what Wittman sees in Webster.

Porter rebounds, hustles, runs the break well and does a great job cutting and finding cutters, when he gets a chance. Webster does one thing, chuck it up any chance he gets, and at least right now, he's not even doing that in a manner that helps this team produce points.

Porter, another wasted lottery pick by Ernie. Not because of lack of talent, but by circumstance.



Here are the reasons that Wittman may be using
- Webster is still playing himself back into shape. Yes Webster is shooting less than 20% from 3 but we are living in a world of small practice size
- Even if you want to point at Webster's poor 3 point percentages, you can't ignore that Porter hasn't madea single 3 pointer in the month of January!
- Webster is respected by opponents. I remember in one key sequence where the Nuggets were afraid to double Seraphin when Afflalo was guarding him- allowing the Seraphin the makeable hookshot.
- Porter while shooting better percentages is still not respected by his opponents and is often left open. He also doesn't make opponents pay enough for his open looks. Webster takes twice as many 3PA per 36 minutes this season than Porter has for this season.
- Webster may be outplaying Porter in practice.

I think it will just take time to determine if Porter will be successful. There's really not enough evidence in my mind to say that Porter is going to be either good or bad- so I think it would be foolish to either assign Porter as untouchable or that he's going to be a bust. Porter in my mind needs to be more aggressive and convert his open 3 pointers.


Yes, there are many reasons. Not sure what the issue is. People seem to have long term memories about the bad stuff that happens with the team and short term memories about the good stuff.

Webster over the last 2 years with the Wizards has been on of the better 3 point shooters in the league.

I think that is all people need to remember. And when healthy, he plays decent defense. Dude will even drive and dunk sometimes.

We need Webster back in form and I have very little doubt he will get there soon. He was out a long time without running around. I expect he is starting to get his legs and timing back. 2-3 last night from the field. A 3 ball the night before.

I expect in the next 3-5 games he will look a lot more like the ol Webby we grow to love.
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Re: GT #45 Wizards at Nuggets 1/25/2015 8pm ET 

Post#264 » by closg00 » Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:24 pm

hands11 wrote:
Yes, there are many reasons. Not sure what the issue is. People seem to have long term memories about the bad stuff that happens with the team and short term memories about the good stuff.

Webster over the last 2 years with the Wizards has been on of the better 3 point shooters in the league.


I think that is all people need to remember. And when healthy, he plays decent defense. Dude will even drive and dunk sometimes.

We need Webster back in form and I have very little doubt he will get there soon. He was out a long time without running around. I expect he is starting to get his legs and timing back. 2-3 last night from the field. A 3 ball the night before.

I expect in the next 3-5 games he will look a lot more like the ol Webby we grow to love.


Webster hasn't even been a top-10 3 - Point shooter the last two years. If anyone has the data please share.
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/playe ... /year/2013
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Post#265 » by Kanyewest » Tue Jan 27, 2015 12:02 am

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Post#266 » by Kanyewest » Tue Jan 27, 2015 12:02 am

closg00 wrote:Webster hasn't even been a top-10 3 - Point shooter the last two years. If anyone has the data please share.
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/playe ... /year/2013


IIRC, Webster was a top 10 3 point shooter at one point that season and then his numbers took a dip when he suffered a hernia injury. Anyways, being .4% away from the top 10 isn't that bad :)
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Post#267 » by closg00 » Tue Jan 27, 2015 12:33 am

Kanyewest wrote:
closg00 wrote:Webster hasn't even been a top-10 3 - Point shooter the last two years. If anyone has the data please share.
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/playe ... /year/2013


IIRC, Webster was a top 10 3 point shooter at one point that season and then his numbers took a dip when he suffered a hernia injury. Anyways, being .4% away from the top 10 isn't that bad :)


Ok then, Webster was a Top-12 3 point shooter for one season :D
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Post#268 » by hands11 » Tue Jan 27, 2015 12:56 am

Wow..

6 of the 18 players (33%) that shoot 6 or more 3s a game shoot it at under.350% and 3 of those are under .335 and two of those under .325

You know who one of the remaining two is ?

Spoiler:
Trevor Ariza .324 on 7 attempts per game


Anyway, point is, the team needs to shoot more 3s. Specially Beal.

I want to see Wall shoot more of them. If anyone can find open looks, its Wall. Hell, do a walk up 3 at game. Keep the defense on notice.

Last year he actually shot 3.8 per game on .351 That's not bad at all.

This year he is 2.5 per game on .301 that kind of sucks.

I bet if he shot them more often he would find his range again and get back to last years numbers.
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Post#269 » by hands11 » Tue Jan 27, 2015 1:19 am

Kanyewest wrote:
closg00 wrote:Webster hasn't even been a top-10 3 - Point shooter the last two years. If anyone has the data please share.
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/playe ... /year/2013


IIRC, Webster was a top 10 3 point shooter at one point that season and then his numbers took a dip when he suffered a hernia injury. Anyways, being .4% away from the top 10 isn't that bad :)


Yeah, last season he did pretty well considering he was playing hurt.

I filtered for over 100 attempts for guard/sf types.

For single seasons; played in the NBA/BAA; in the regular season; in 2013-14; 6-5 or taller; played G or G-F or F or F-G; requiring 3-Pt Field Goal Attempts Per Game >= 4.5 and 3-Pt Field Goal Attempts >= 100; sorted by descending 3-Pt Field Goal Pct.

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Post#270 » by J-Ves » Tue Jan 27, 2015 1:19 am

Just throwing this out there, but would anyone want to see Temple get the backup SG minutes? Hes the best perimeter defender on the team, and he can guard both PGs and SGs (unlike Porter and Webster), so he can help mask Millers poor defense. His .396 mark on the season from three is obviously misleading, as he was lights out in his first 5 games and then couldn't hit anything until he lost his minutes in the rotation, but he did hit multiple jump shots the last time he saw the floor in garbage time vs the 6ers. Also in his favor is over half his FG attempts have been 3 pointers, which is something neither Porter or Webster have been comfortable taking/hitting so far this year.
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Post#271 » by hands11 » Tue Jan 27, 2015 1:28 am

J-Ves wrote:Just throwing this out there, but would anyone want to see Temple get the backup SG minutes? Hes the best perimeter defender on the team, and he can guard both PGs and SGs (unlike Porter and Webster), so he can help mask Millers poor defense. His .396 mark on the season from three is obviously misleading, as he was lights out in his first 5 games and then couldn't hit anything until he lost his minutes in the rotation, but he did hit multiple jump shots the last time he saw the floor in garbage time vs the 6ers. Also in his favor is over half his FG attempts have been 3 pointers, which is something neither Porter or Webster have been comfortable taking/hitting so far this year.


Doesn't matter. Its not happening.

Webster is going to get his chance to regain his form and that isn't happening if he isn't playing.

Temple is purely injury protection and a spot defender at this point.

And if they made a move for another PG and or SG, he might not even stay on the team. That's where he is ranking is right now. They aren't giving him minutes over Webster and Otto.

Now had he kept that hot streak going a little longer, he would be in Rasual territory and he would have earned a bigger opportunity.

I like Temple and I wish he would have kept the hot hand going. That would have been real interesting. As it is, I think he will stick around in the league as a specialist a few more years and he would have make a nice little career for himself before its all said an done. After all, dude is an NBA basketball player. Not many people can say that.
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Post#272 » by dobrojim » Tue Jan 27, 2015 1:48 am

the flip side of Wall not getting FTs is that he has one of the longest active games played streak.

Porter needs minutes somehow. Gortat is slumping. Seraphin is still Seraphin. Humphries brings
effort but not necessarily production every night.

Thank you Manimal. Those 2 misses were a bigger factor than Ty's late miss. He hits one and DEN wins.

Jacqui tells me Consor said during the game that BB takes too many long 2s. Bravo Glenn.

edit to add - the win when we should have lost makes up a little for the 2 losses when
we arguably should have won. This is what drives people who gamble to bankruptcy.

PPS - BB (or Witt) is starting to be more of a concern. How is it that he gets so few clean
looks, especially on 3s but even more generally? I wonder if they wouldn't do a lot better
on that front if that ran fewer of those handoff type plays and just ran more traditional
come around a screen with the ball coming from a 3rd player such as Wall.
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Re: GT #45 Wizards at Nuggets 1/25/2015 8pm ET 

Post#273 » by hands11 » Tue Jan 27, 2015 5:57 am

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400578966

Denver took them to the wire. Gallo got up a 3 pointer and was fouled with 2 seconds to go but Joey Crawford didn't call it a shooting foul :nonono:

Then LAC won it on FTs down the stretch.

One of these days Joey Crawford is going to get busted for doing something illegal regarding being a ref. Dude is a stooge.
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Post#274 » by DCZards » Tue Jan 27, 2015 3:22 pm

hands11 wrote:http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400578966

Denver took them to the wire. Gallo got up a 3 pointer and was fouled with 2 seconds to go but Joey Crawford didn't call it a shooting foul :nonono:

Then LAC won it on FTs down the stretch.

One of these days Joey Crawford is going to get busted for doing something illegal regarding being a ref. Dude is a stooge.


Yes, Gallo was fouled while shooting and should have gotten 3 shots. But that's a call that NBA refs NEVER make in that situation...although they should. So I can't fault Crawford for the non-call. Blame the NBA.
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Post#275 » by hands11 » Tue Jan 27, 2015 4:02 pm

dobrojim wrote:the flip side of Wall not getting FTs is that he has one of the longest active games played streak.

Porter needs minutes somehow. Gortat is slumping. Seraphin is still Seraphin. Humphries brings
effort but not necessarily production every night.

Thank you Manimal. Those 2 misses were a bigger factor than Ty's late miss. He hits one and DEN wins.

Jacqui tells me Consor said during the game that BB takes too many long 2s. Bravo Glenn.

edit to add - the win when we should have lost makes up a little for the 2 losses when
we arguably should have won. This is what drives people who gamble to bankruptcy.

PPS - BB (or Witt) is starting to be more of a concern. How is it that he gets so few clean
looks, especially on 3s but even more generally? I wonder if they wouldn't do a lot better
on that front if that ran fewer of those handoff type plays and just ran more traditional
come around a screen with the ball coming from a 3rd player
such as Wall.


Absolutely.

That is what I have been beating to death recently. The offense doesn't have enough motion. It needs more weave motion with playing coming around and getting the ball moving toward the basket. We pass the ball to play either moving sideways or backward. And the post needs to kick it out to three more and get that swing swing swing (optional) three going again.

And the can do a three man top of the key pick and weave to get open threes as well.

Watch ATL and other teams. This is how their offense moves.

Our offense doesn't have enough moving pieces so its easy to jump the lanes which quicker teams do and it give us fits. Meanwhile they are doing what I described above and its really hard on our defense. The combination of the two is really tough on the Wizards. Specially when they are getting up 20-25 3s and we are scoring 2 at a time shooting 15 or less 3s.

I posted how almost ever team that is good is shooting more 3s this year then last all except us and MEM.

And that is extra frustrating when we shot 20 3s a game last year. If we only got back to that, it would help a ton let alone upping that to 22 3s which would be more in line with most the good teams.

DCZards. I didn't see that last play for DEN. Just heard it on the internet radio. Sounded bad. Maybe it looked different. 2 seconds to go. Catch and shoot. How could he not be in the act. Defender would have had to foul him as or before his caught the ball in order to call that before the shot. But like I said, I didn't see it so there is that.
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Post#276 » by tontoz » Tue Jan 27, 2015 4:27 pm

We've won 7 games by 3 points or less, most in the NBA.

http://espn.go.com/nba/standings/_/type/expanded
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Post#277 » by DCZards » Tue Jan 27, 2015 5:11 pm

tontoz wrote:We've won 7 games by 3 points or less, most in the NBA.

http://espn.go.com/nba/standings/_/type/expanded


On the one hand, I'd say that sucks because we should have blown some of those teams out. But, on the other, I think it's good thing that you can close out and win those kind of games...because most NBA games are going to be close, especially during the playoffs.
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Re: GT #45 Wizards at Nuggets 1/25/2015 8pm ET 

Post#278 » by pineappleheadindc » Tue Jan 27, 2015 6:29 pm

jeffsays wrote:Didn't see a game thread so I thought I'd create one. Go Wizards!



Hey dude, how about a Lakers game thread?

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Post#279 » by McFilthy » Tue Jan 27, 2015 11:46 pm

Wow, another win that seems like a script for a Wizards loss in the past. We used to be the team blowing the game in ways like missing the two free throws at the end. Feels good to be on the winning side for a change.

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