Dan Lebatard speculates on LeBron and HGH on ESPN radio

Exodus · Post #41 » by **Exodus** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 1:15 am

ocelot17 wrote:Not saying Lebron does steroids or PED's but accelerated hairloss is a side effect of PED/steroid use.

Along with cramping up all the time.

tonegully757 · Post #42 » by **tonegully757** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 1:19 am

Johnny Firpo wrote:
luss54321 wrote:So it's a complete coincidence that Lebron has a MASSIVE weight loss the off-season before the first HGH testing begins?

Does this look natural to you?

http://dimemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2 ... .41-AM.png

Actually, there is nothing special about this transformation in terms of building mass or losing fat. Not the mass, not the timeline, nothing. He gained fat in one offseason, than dropped weight during this one. No real change in muscle mass, if anything he lost muscle this year. I'm would not be shocked if it turned out that he used steroids before btw, I'm just talking about those pictures as proof. They are not.

Exactly. Makes me wonder how do people who post up here look. If he is taking ANY type of steroid or even a pro hormone then his results sucks, his diet suck, or his gear is fake. He actually looks like he went on a no carb diet and cut his calories down ALOT and stop lifting heavy weight and started doing some freaking cross fit crap.
Any who I dont care what drugs players use. At the end of the day the drugs doesnt help you in basketball as it would in track and field.

Ugly0598 · Post #43 » by **Ugly0598** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 1:27 am

Eh, maybe he did, maybe he didn't, even still, not surprising Le Batard is salty though about him leaving.

Still putting up 26, 7, 6 this year.

contract · Post #44 » by **contract** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 1:37 am

UtahJazzFan88 wrote:Eh, maybe he did, maybe he didn't, even still, not surprising Le Batard is salty though about him leaving.

Still putting up 26, 7, 6 this year.

Dan LeBatard could give a rats ass where Lebron plays. His interest is strictly in how he can exploit any animosity aimed at LeBron for entertainment purposes.

Primarily his own. :lol:

Dr Pepper · Post #45 » by **Dr Pepper** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 1:42 am

mg wrote:I'm no LeBron homer but it does come off as 'sour grapes' from LeBatard. I highly doubt he would be speculating on any of this stuff if LeBron hadn't left Miami.

Yup. Unless he accused Wade as well which won't happen as long as he is in MIA

thamadkant · Post #46 » by **thamadkant** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 1:48 am

One of the key visual change for HGH use is the swollen stomach/gut.

Ripped and muscular body but with a bloated gut/stomach instead of a flat/well defined stomach can be a sign of HGH use.

WesleyExChiFan · Post #47 » by **WesleyExChiFan** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 1:50 am

Exodus wrote:
ocelot17 wrote:Not saying Lebron does steroids or PED's but accelerated hairloss is a side effect of PED/steroid use.

Along with cramping up all the time.

trollus maximus. That's hilarious. :-)

As far as PEDs, I'll believe it when I see it.

WD · Post #48 » by WD » Tue Jan 27, 2015 1:50 am

This speculation is what happens when they cancel games due to snow warning and a lot of people are forced home early from work. Gotta stay busy somehow I guess. Actually after hearing him ask Whiteside to make LBJ regret leaving, it does sound a little childish.

RaptorNews · Post #49 » by **RaptorNews** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 1:57 am

ibraheim718 wrote:Man that show is hilarious. Best radio show out.. easy.

Outside of Dan occasionally repeating himself too much and Bomani Jones stroking himself it's far and away the best thing on sports radio.

Stugotz and Mike Ryan are my heroes

Nils_the_Clean · Post #50 » by **Nils_the_Clean** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 2:12 am

Lebron is on HGH again. It's manifest in his play, appearance, and demeanour.

He comes back from injury after a spell in Miami, and all of a sudden he's visibly larger, more aggressive on the court, faster, and twice as energized.

It's so so obvious.

crazy_me_87 · Post #51 » by **crazy_me_87** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 2:20 am

Nils_the_Clean wrote:Lebron is on HGH again. It's manifest in his play, appearance, and demeanour.

He comes back from injury after a spell in Miami, and all of a sudden he's visibly larger, more aggressive on the court, faster, and twice as energized.

It's so so obvious.

Again, thats medicaly/physically impossible... there is NO way you can see the change you describe in 1 Week(he went to Miami the Second week,the next he returned) thats not how HGH works.. it takes 3 Weeks minimum... usually it takes 2 or 3 Months before you see visible Change unless you are dosing it so high that you kill your metabolism.

Nils_the_Clean · Post #52 » by **Nils_the_Clean** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 2:23 am

crazy_me_87 wrote:
Nils_the_Clean wrote:Lebron is on HGH again. It's manifest in his play, appearance, and demeanour.

He comes back from injury after a spell in Miami, and all of a sudden he's visibly larger, more aggressive on the court, faster, and twice as energized.

It's so so obvious.

Again, thats medicaly/physically impossible... there is NO way you can see the change you describe in 1 Week(he went to Miami the Second week,the next he returned) thats not how HGH works.. it takes 3 Weeks minimum... usually it takes 2 or 3 Months before you see visible Change unless you are dosing it so high that you kill your metabolism.

Ok, so say those particular observations s don't coincide : Who's to say he hasn't been on it now for longer?

You can't argue the eye-test. He's APPEARS MUCH LARGER then he did in November, and there's no-way a player can gain mass like that in the thick of an NBA season.

Rock Hardy · Post #53 » by **Rock Hardy** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 2:29 am

Dan was just taking the piss. Just stirring the pot. He didn't even name LeBron, just described the situation LeBron had as a hypothetical. It's interesting, but not really conclusive.

VideoGameJames · Post #54 » by **VideoGameJames** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 2:59 am

ocelot17 wrote:Not saying Lebron does steroids or PED's but accelerated hairloss is a side effect of PED/steroid use.

Hair loss is caused by DHT which some steroids increase since they increase testosterone levels overall. Lebron really started balding around 25 which is the age DHT levels naturally peak at (think Jordan was around 25 when he started balding). PED induced hair loss comes fast, not gradually like his has been getting worse year after year, his hair would look like it does now within a year of use maybe even sooner assuming he was gonna go bald naturally at some point anyways (some people can take massive amounts of steroids and have it not affect their hair at all like Jay Cutler)

crazy_me_87 · Post #55 » by **crazy_me_87** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 3:02 am

Nils_the_Clean wrote:
crazy_me_87 wrote:
Nils_the_Clean wrote:Lebron is on HGH again. It's manifest in his play, appearance, and demeanour.

He comes back from injury after a spell in Miami, and all of a sudden he's visibly larger, more aggressive on the court, faster, and twice as energized.

It's so so obvious.

Again, thats medicaly/physically impossible... there is NO way you can see the change you describe in 1 Week(he went to Miami the Second week,the next he returned) thats not how HGH works.. it takes 3 Weeks minimum... usually it takes 2 or 3 Months before you see visible Change unless you are dosing it so high that you kill your metabolism.

Ok, so say those particular observations s don't coincide : Who's to say he hasn't been on it now for longer?

You can't argue the eye-test. He's APPEARS MUCH LARGER then he did in November, and there's no-way a player can gain mass like that in the thick of an NBA season.

I cant tell, sure he could been back on it in Mid November who knows

I was just arguing against the people saying he was off it till his Break.. went back on it in Miami because that! theory is nonsense

antistrat · Post #56 » by **antistrat** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 3:02 am

DowJones wrote:Fair or Foul? Surprised he went there, really.

All is fair in love and ratings.

Doesn't really matter though. People have been trying to find some evidence of LeBron doping since he was a teenager. Nothing yet. The NBA tests for HGH now, btw. LeBron has been through HGH testing 3 times during the olympics in 2004, 2008 and 2012, and nothing happened there either.

On to the next story.

Makaveli DaDon · Post #57 » by **Makaveli DaDon** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 3:09 am

Why would lebetard taint the man reputation like that? He left, we have whiteside, bro let it go. Even if he is hgh doesn't put the ball in the basket.

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Post #58 » by **The Rebel** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 3:26 am

It would not surprise me if half of the NBA is on some kind of performance enhancing drug, but does anybody really care?

MisterHibachi · Post #59 » by **MisterHibachi** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 3:33 am

People will believe what they wanna believe.

James40 · Post #60 » by **James40** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 3:37 am

qm22 wrote:
hype_2004 wrote:
irie wrote:Maybe he is.

Personally, I don't care. Use all the HGH you want.

**** it me too, its been scientifically proven that HGH reverse the aging process, heals injury at an larmingly fast rate and builds stronger new tissues/muscle fibers to replace the old ones. If you play 82 games, with rpe-season and playoffs you would being all natural will let your body survive the grind for 3/4 of the year, the body is not built to take that kind of physical abuse, PEDs helps the body recover, strengthens it and thus helps prevents future injuries.

Where is your source for "reverse the aging process"...? Maybe you are referring to people who sell HGH containing things for the cosmetic appearance of youth.

In fact, I think the opposite is true. In mice, deleting their natural growth hormone results in increased lifespan. Meanwhile, animals engineered to have extra growth hormone (which has been thoroughly studied as a means of meat production in livestock, without fat in the meat) have shortened lifespan, reduced fertility... That is to say nothing of the other complications which may indirectly affect lifespan, such as cancer.
While I'm not sure how much those dramatic effects translate to the doses used in athletes, but it is more than enough to make me raise eyebrows at the age-reversal claim.

On the injury recovery aspect, something that interests me is whether HGH promotes healing after extended use. It might have detrimental effects in that context, at least partially, in the long term.

Steroids are the fountain of youth, not HGH and certainly not HGH by itself. Bonds had an 80lb block because of HGH, his power came from the roids, plus HGH can help counteract the boobs from Dbal and Stanzobol.