Juke Skywalker - The Kemba Walker Thread II

TheKingofSting · Post #1881 » by **TheKingofSting** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 2:07 am

At first I heard it was a four to six weeks deal and I read on Reed's twitter that he may be out for the rest of the season.

catch20two · Post #1882 » by **catch20two** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 2:19 am

TheKingofSting wrote:At first I heard it was a four to six weeks deal and I read on Reed's twitter that he may be out for the rest of the season.

The recovery time is to be determined after the surgery but it's likely to be no more than 6 weeks.

TheKingofSting · Post #1883 » by **TheKingofSting** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 2:31 am

I hope it is four weeks or less.

Liver_Pooty · Post #1884 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 2:34 am

Moucha, who is not performing the surgery, said if the meniscus simply needs to be debrided -- or cleaned out -- Walker would likely be back in four to six weeks. However, if the meniscus needs to be repaired, Moucha said Walker could miss five to six months

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12231 ... -left-knee

TheKingofSting · Post #1885 » by **TheKingofSting** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 2:37 am

Please just be debrided.

catch20two · Post #1886 » by **catch20two** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 2:39 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:
Moucha, who is not performing the surgery, said if the meniscus simply needs to be debrided -- or cleaned out -- Walker would likely be back in four to six weeks. However, if the meniscus needs to be repaired, Moucha said Walker could miss five to six months

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12231 ... -left-knee

F*ck Moucha. He just tryna get a name. He's not performing the surgery. I coulda told ESPN that. I doubt that his meniscus need to be repaired or otherwise these problems woulda been occurred and we woulda seen Kemba limping around. We never seen anything from Kemba being gimpy that would make me believe that it's a serious injury. The Charlotte doctors told him that he could play through it after all if he chose to.

TheKingofSting · Post #1887 » by **TheKingofSting** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 2:46 am

Is Moucha the same guy that was on SportsCenter when Cam and Romo got hurt?

LamarMatic7 · Post #1888 » by **LamarMatic7** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 9:57 am

fatlever wrote:its a silly argument to say that someone who hasnt played basketball professionally cant be great at understanding it or talking about it or even coaching it.

think about all the coaches who have coached in the NBA who have barely more than high school playing experience. look at rich cho, dude is a gm.

i'd much rather listen to bill simmons (of 2000-12) or current zach lowe talk about basketball than 90% of former NBA players who have tried to do the same thing and been terrible.

something that I know you will find interesting since you've been critical of Kenny and Barkley before:

there's this cool Australian dude named Adam Ryan who does an NBA history podcast titled "In All Airness". he's had some pretty damn good guests to show up on his pod. Peter Vecsey has been among them.

the podcast with Vecsey itself was a great listen as the man, obviously, never holds anything back and has a lot of stories to tell (about coaching Dr. J in the Rucker League, about Drazen Petrovic being constantly disrespected by Derrick Coleman and Kenny Anderson and not wanting to come back to New Jersey the summer he tragically died, etc.). concerning this topic though, he pretty much confirmed your and mine thoughts on the level to which the TNT guys are prepared.

when working with them back in the day he was frustrated and pissed off about Smith and Barkley never being prepared for the shows, while he had done his work. and on top of that he at least expected them to go in the TV room and watch the first half of the games before they go back on air for the half-time show. Vecsey said that they usually spend that time eating or just hanging around. he even mentioned that The Jet is the obnoxious one as he would do tasks such as playing his voice-mail out loud and replying to the dozens of messages while he should have been watching the game.

he pretty much has no respect for Barkley and Kenny as "journalists" or whatever you might call them.

Braggins · Post #1889 » by **Braggins** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 11:02 am

Apparently repairing the meniscus is ideal even though the recovery is longer. The decision whether to debride or repair is based on whether or not the tear is likely to be able to heal. Debridement is just removing the unhealthy tissue from a tear to relieve symptoms. Repairing it has a 4 month recovery but results in a fully healed meniscus.

I definitely hope it gets repaired even though he'll miss the extra time. Given Kemba's style of play, I think it is ideal to have his knee fully in tact. I'm actually kind of concerned that the "team" apparently believes he can play through it. I would be really disappointed if our front office was really pressuring him to either play through it or opt for the debridement if can still be repaired.

MasterIchiro · Post #1890 » by **MasterIchiro** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 1:45 pm

I don't know if it was the Derrick Rose saga and its impact on the Bulls' ceiling or what but I went into this year fearing a Kemba Walker knee injury. The human knee is fascinating in the ways it can angle and bend and absorb pressure. Kemba has spent so many years on the blacktop as well as the gym and he's such a competitor and his style of ball-handling requires extraordinary agility and heavy dependence on the knees. It's like how runningbacks in football have such short careers despite their dominance in college, especially back in the day when so many played on artificial turf. This was my biggest fear coming into the season. I didn't say anything because I didn't want to jinx him, but this is awful for the team. We're lucky it's not the ACL and a Derrick Rose situation because deep in my heart I believe Kemba can lead this team to great feats in his peak years. Get well soon, Kemba.

thesneakysneak · Post #1891 » by **thesneakysneak** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 2:53 pm

For what it's worth I'm recovering from my second meniscus operation right now, both times the docs cut away the torn up meniscus instead of stitching it back down. First time I was 17 and bounced back really fast but they said I'd have arthritis in my knee by 25 if I kept playing sport at a high rate. Now at 30 after another op and I have arthritis and a hole in the cartilage with hardly any meniscus padding around the sides. No sport for a year and will have pain anyways.
I'd recommend the longer recovery every time.

mrknowitall215 · Post #1892 » by **mrknowitall215** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 3:38 pm

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Joest2003 · Post #1893 » by **Joest2003** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 4:12 pm

Get better Kemba you got the heart of a lion this is just a minor setback.

Joest2003 · Post #1894 » by **Joest2003** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 4:14 pm

Is it just me or did it seem like he knew this was around the corner thats why he was so motivated the past few weeks. (getting player of the week and all that)

MasterIchiro · Post #1895 » by **MasterIchiro** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 4:20 pm

Joest2003 wrote:Is it just me or did it seem like he knew this was around the corner thats why he was so motivated the past few weeks. (getting player of the week and all that)

The team knew, thus the heavy interest in Jarrett Jack. I don't believe the reports the team wants him to play through it or else why the sudden interest in Jack? I believe that was a PR decision or miscommunication. Kemba likely wanted to play through it but if the Hornets publicly wanted to shut down Kemba it might look like they're giving up in the middle of a rebrand. This way they look engaged in winning (to the point where they're willing to push Kemba). I know Kemba is a warrior and I just can't imagine MJ risking more serious injury to a player he just invested 50 million in. It's an insult to MJ. I don't think he's shortsighted. Also posturing saying they want him to play through it (downplaying the seriousness) has a more positive impact on trade negotiations.

DY_nasty · Post #1896 » by **DY_nasty** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 4:26 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:
Joest2003 wrote:Is it just me or did it seem like he knew this was around the corner thats why he was so motivated the past few weeks. (getting player of the week and all that)

The team knew, thus the heavy interest in Jarrett Jack. I don't believe the reports the team wants him to play through it or else why the sudden interest in Jack? I believe that was a PR decision or miscommunication. Kemba likely wanted to play through it but if the Hornets publicly wanted to shut down Kemba it might look like they're giving up in the middle of a rebrand. This way they look engaged in winning (to the point where they're willing to push Kemba). I know Kemba is a warrior and I just can't imagine MJ risking more serious injury to a player he just invested 50 million in. It's an insult to MJ. I don't think he's shortsighted. Also posturing saying they want him to play through it (downplaying the seriousness) has a more positive impact on trade negotiations.

You have it backwards. The team thought he could play through it. Kemba's camp is the one deciding to seek second opinions.

And he absolutely should. Dude should take the rest of the season off imo.

MasterIchiro · Post #1897 » by **MasterIchiro** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 4:42 pm

DY_nasty wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:
Joest2003 wrote:Is it just me or did it seem like he knew this was around the corner thats why he was so motivated the past few weeks. (getting player of the week and all that)

The team knew, thus the heavy interest in Jarrett Jack. I don't believe the reports the team wants him to play through it or else why the sudden interest in Jack? I believe that was a PR decision or miscommunication. Kemba likely wanted to play through it but if the Hornets publicly wanted to shut down Kemba it might look like they're giving up in the middle of a rebrand. This way they look engaged in winning (to the point where they're willing to push Kemba). I know Kemba is a warrior and I just can't imagine MJ risking more serious injury to a player he just invested 50 million in. It's an insult to MJ. I don't think he's shortsighted. Also posturing saying they want him to play through it (downplaying the seriousness) has a more positive impact on trade negotiations.

You have it backwards. The team thought he could play through it. Kemba's camp is the one deciding to seek second opinions.

And he absolutely should. Dude should take the rest of the season off imo.

That report conflicts with interest in Jack. If they felt Kemba could play through it, I don't think they would have zeroed in on Jack.

Posturing saying they want him to play through it downplays the seriousness of it and had a more positive impact on trade negotiations. They originally released information about the meniscus and emphasized how he's had it since high school. Then they floated out the idea of a cyst, which is not as serious as the meniscus. They knew about the meniscus all along and engaged the Nets for Jack, never planning to push Kemba.

It's all speculation.

I agree he should absolutely sit out the season. This team is horrendous and I think the front office sees it. This collection of players is not worth risking the Hornets 50 million investment in Kemba.

So we hold off on Kemball and get back to Alffense and hopefully build value in Lance + Big Al, 2 pieces that don't seem to fit the future with Kemba.

MasterIchiro · Post #1898 » by **MasterIchiro** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 4:44 pm

If we reach the postseason with Lance + Alffense, obviously it's a bonus.

mrknowitall215 · Post #1899 » by **mrknowitall215** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 4:51 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:That report conflicts with interest in Jack. If they felt Kemba could play through it, I don't think they would have zeroed in on Jack.

I don't think Cho 'zeroed in on Jack'. I just think Cho wanted to get rid of Stephenson that bad, all the while adding experienced PG depth behind Kemba rather than the overseas journeyman of Roberts. Also, Jack has experience of playing in the backcourt alongside point guards throughout his career, so he would've not only reserved Kemba, but played with him a lot as well

MasterIchiro · Post #1900 » by **MasterIchiro** » Tue Jan 27, 2015 4:55 pm

mrknowitall215 wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:That report conflicts with interest in Jack. If they felt Kemba could play through it, I don't think they would have zeroed in on Jack.

I don't think Cho 'zeroed in on Jack'. I just think Cho wanted to get rid of Stephenson that bad, all the while adding experienced PG depth behind Kemba rather than the overseas journeyman of Roberts. Also, Jack has experience of playing in the backcourt alongside point guards throughout his career, so he would've not only reserved Kemba, but played with him a lot as well

Perhaps so perhaps not. I'm not willing to look at the Jack interest in vacuum. It's quite possible the Hornets were monitoring the market for other PG's and that would impact the way they present their situation with Kemba to the public. It seems that the release of information about the cyst and their public stance that they felt he could play through it, had the effect of downplaying the seriousness of the Kemba situation and tempering the demands of other GM's looking to possibly capitalize on a team in a desperate situation. Plus Kemba is a warrior. And he's already banked 50 million. I think he wants to earn that money and live up to that contract. He was an iron man before this, while averaging most MPG in the entire NBA. That's not the profile of a player who decides to sit out. The extra cautious Cho is not the profile of a front office that would take risks with keystone players and key investments.

All speculation of course, either way.