Detroit vs Cleveland Jan 27th 7:30 NBA TV

[DetroitSho]

If monroe is an all star big then whats Kevin love? Man. Defense is kinda important. Love is just as bad of a defender as moose but 10× better offensively. Moose isnt an all star

Did you actually read the comment he said? And when did defense start mattering when making All Star selections?

No i didnt read the whole comments. Just saw all star. When someone types all stat it usually means they are implying all star.

And defense gets recognized

Ask ben wallace wassup

Context. Ben was a defensive super star. It's clear I'm talking about you making it seem as if a lack of defense would stop a guy from being in the All Star game.

[Lucidity]

If monroe is an all star big then whats Kevin love? Man. Defense is kinda important. Love is just as bad of a defender as moose but 10× better offensively. Moose isnt an all star

Kevin Love is not 10x better than Monroe. Monroe is a better man to man defender than Love too.

Love is cool but not anywhere near the best PF in the game as he was billed in Minn, hes more similar to Bosh in Toronto. A guy that puts up big numbers but doesnt really help win many more games. Lamarcus is 10x the player Love is.

Either way, re read what I said in my og post, you missed the point.

[sc8581]

I don't like Love, Moose or Aldridge all that much but I give LMA the nod.

[sc8581]

All-star numbers at 17 and 13? Maybe but not all-star caliber player.

[princeofpalace]

Greg is a great number 2 option, we need a number 1 option. Jennings was filling that role in his good games but we really need a wing capable of shouldering the offensive load. Hell, we need a productive wing period.

Sadly, I can't even see us playing 500 ball if we continue to not get production out of KCP/Meeks/Singler/Butler. We have the worst stable of wings in the league.

We also really need Drummond to be our defensive anchor. He blocked shots at a crazy rate last night but for someone who is supposed to be a good defender he leaves a lot to be desired. He's too often bullied by other post players. I think its a role that he grows into but I wish he was there. Monroe can't block shots and so his presense in the middle doesn't deter players from taking it to the hoop- this wouldn't be an issue if we had perimeter players who could simply stay with their man but sadly we do not. This is why Monroe is better defensively at PF than at C. He had no trouble guarding Love on the perimeter but he can't function as the teams last line of defense.

[ImHeisenberg]

Greg is a great number 2 option, we need a number 1 option. Jennings was filling that role in his good games but we really need a wing capable of shouldering the offensive load. Hell, we need a productive wing period.

Couldn't agree more. Moose is a very good offensive player, but isn't going to lead a team into a deep playoff run.


I couldn't watch this game, but Tolliver looked like he had a great game on the offensive end. I can't help but laud SVG/Bower's prowess in turning what was basically nothing into a very good rotation player in Tolliver.

I'm excited to see how they tackle this next off season with sizeable cap space and a firm understanding of what they have and what they need. Meeks might go down as a miss, but Tolliver and Augustin have been great moves.

[ImHeisenberg]

If monroe is an all star big then whats Kevin love? Man. Defense is kinda important. Love is just as bad of a defender as moose but 10× better offensively. Moose isnt an all star

Kevin Love is not 10x better than Monroe. Monroe is a better man to man defender than Love too.

Love is cool but not anywhere near the best PF in the game as he was billed in Minn, hes more similar to Bosh in Toronto. A guy that puts up big numbers but doesnt really help win many more games. Lamarcus is 10x the player Love is.

Either way, re read what I said in my og post, you missed the point.

Love definitely is the master of hollow double-double's. I suppose this is the product of playing a team for so many years where your primary objective was personal achievement opposed to winning.

[mattao313]

If monroe is an all star big then whats Kevin love? Man. Defense is kinda important. Love is just as bad of a defender as moose but 10× better offensively. Moose isnt an all star

Kevin Love is not 10x better than Monroe. Monroe is a better man to man defender than Love too.

Love is cool but not anywhere near the best PF in the game as he was billed in Minn, hes more similar to Bosh in Toronto. A guy that puts up big numbers but doesnt really help win many more games. Lamarcus is 10x the player Love is.

Either way, re read what I said in my og post, you missed the point.

Love definitely is the master of hollow double-double's. I suppose this is the product of playing a team for so many years where your primary objective was personal achievement opposed to winning.

That hollow double-double machine lead his bum squad to 40 wins last year more then what our team won but hey all he does is put up hollow number.

[sc8581]

We have 2 big men averaging hollow double-doubles right now don't we?

[ImHeisenberg]

That hollow double-double machine lead his bum squad to 40 wins last year more then what our team won but hey all he does is put up hollow number.

Yes, and like Drummond is guilty of, he often won't rotate for help defense because he's more concerned with getting rebound position to inflate those stats.

I never said Kevin Love is a bad player. His amazing stat lines simply hasn't translated to team success. You can certainly accredit a ton of that to the ineptitude of the Wolves ownership/management. But the fact remains, he's had a lot of hollow numbers. A 20-20 game doesn't sound as good when your team loses.

[mattao313]

That hollow double-double machine lead his bum squad to 40 wins last year more then what our team won but hey all he does is put up hollow number.

Yes, and like Drummond is guilty of, he often won't rotate for help defense because he's more concerned with getting rebound position to inflate those stats.

I never said Kevin Love is a bad player. His amazing stat lines simply hasn't translated to team success. You can certainly accredit a ton of that to the ineptitude of the Wolves ownership/management. But the fact remains, he's had a lot of hollow numbers. A 20-20 game doesn't sound as good when your team loses.

I still don't understand this like I said his team won 40 games last year thats pretty successful with the team he had if you ask me. He is in a bad position with the Cavs kinda like Bosh but he had better D. Not saying Greg ain't good but if we traded him for Love we would be in the playoff picture right now. That argument about Love is just bogus to me.

[Lucidity]

If monroe is an all star big then whats Kevin love? Man. Defense is kinda important. Love is just as bad of a defender as moose but 10× better offensively. Moose isnt an all star

Kevin Love is not 10x better than Monroe. Monroe is a better man to man defender than Love too.

Love is cool but not anywhere near the best PF in the game as he was billed in Minn, hes more similar to Bosh in Toronto. A guy that puts up big numbers but doesnt really help win many more games. Lamarcus is 10x the player Love is.

Either way, re read what I said in my og post, you missed the point.

Love definitely is the master of hollow double-double's. I suppose this is the product of playing a team for so many years where your primary objective was personal achievement opposed to winning.

Yup, good post bro. Love is Bosh in Toronto. Great stats, not many wins.

Lamarcus is the best PF in the game & its really not close at all.

We have 2 big men averaging hollow double-doubles right now don't we?

Pretty sure we are like 15-4 (or something like that) with them as our leaders.

[DBC10]

Some fans who were at the game noted how awful Dre's body language was.

Monroe was giving daps to his teammates coming in while Dre just nonchalantly stares at the floor by himself. Dre needs to get over it and step up.

[engelbert321]

Some fans who were at the game noted how awful Dre's body language was.

Monroe was giving daps to his teammates coming in while Dre just nonchalantly stares at the floor by himself. Dre needs to get over it and step up.

Yeah it was obvious that Dre was moping around