James Johnson and his lack of minutes

[DUBmental]

Thanks bro.

well according to Sherman and jonsie we should see some JJ tonight. I have to agree. Casey really has no excuse as no other raptor can really guard Gay effectively atm.

[RNsteve]

Lack of JJ/JV is just...
Like why? Two most efficient players and...we see Ross and GV? :/

[MrBojangelz71]

Demar was a horribly inefficient player last year, and continues to be one this season. He does some things well, but he also has a ton of flaws. Whether you want to call him a all-star or not doesn't matter (it's just a silly label). The reality is that he's a good player, but not even close to a great one.

And our record was just over .500 without Demar because we went through the toughest part of our entire schedule during that time. It's more than likely that we would have had the same record with him in the lineup.

WTF are you even talking about? Horribly inefficient?

You are aware that we all watched last season and can verify you haven't even the slightest clue.

This site has some of the brightest posters, and some of the dumbest. Guess what side you are on?

According to your sound logic, most SG's in the league are "horribly inefficient" compared to what Demar put up last season. See, if you just spoke to facts, opposed to your silly narrative that is almost insulting in that you might believe I am dumb enough, ignorant enough, and possibly I do not even watch games, that I would mildly accept your absurd opening sentence in your ignorant statement above.

The only thing you accomplished is showing me that you are not worth paying attention to.

You need to stop running your mouth about facts and logic.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... zde01.html

Take a look at his FG% for last year, it was his 2nd worst FG% year through his entire career (not counting this terrible year)..

.429 from FG and .303 from 3pt is not horribly inefficient? Okay then.... what does it take?

Rudy Gay the ULTIMATE CHUCKER and CANCER shot .482 FG and .312 3pt for sac after he left that year mid season... This year? Chucker boy Rudy is at .448 and .378 ...

DeMar is not, has not, and will NEVER be an efficient offensive player. PERIOD. Get that through your head. You have a player that can get buckets at a high level and that is literally all. You give him enough shots, you will get enough points...

This year ... .403 fg% and .233 3pt% ... absolutely TERRIBLE. One of THE WORST shooting guards (edit forgot we made him a 3 guard, shouldnt call him a shooting guard anymore) in the league looking at those two numbers in isolation.

I need to stop running my mouth eh?

How about you take your pathetic one dimensional efficiency stat, the same pathetic stat that you and you ignorant circle jerk of 5 or 6 Demar bashers clamor to, the same pathetic stat that has been used to death to try and convince the world you have clue about this game and what makes a player successful, and shove it firmly up your ass, where it belongs.

Thankfully, most understand there is so much more to this game than an efficiency stat. We witnessed this team with and without Demar, no comparison. We saw our best season in the entire franchise history led by our true All Star Demar Derozan. Media across North America, I am talking about the who’s who of NBA coverage, all praising Demar as one of the best SG in the game. And as brilliant a mind these people are, they fail to pay homeage to your amazing efficiency stat? Wonder why? Don’t, because it’s the exact same reason I gave you above. It tells a small part of the game, and in the grand scheme, it means not much to those that understand the game at a higher level.

If you are incapable of understanding what Demar is to this team, the importance he brings and his output last season that lead us to our best record in franchise history, then there is nothing left to speak of. I do not value anything you have to say about Demar, your efficiency stat proves absolutely nothing in the bigger picture, and quite frankly you have no clue what tangibles are needed by a player to be an all star.

Demar is an all star, and by seasons end he will be back to the level he was at last season, a level that made you and a couple of your circle jerk Demar haters look so stupid last season. IT was funny then and it will be even funnier in a months’ time.

Demar haters seem so simple in mind, one dimensional posters clamoring to TS% stat, its almost archaic in how they decipher this game. Open your eyes and pay attention, there is much more to this game.

[NinjaBro]

[Raps in 4]

WTF are you even talking about? Horribly inefficient?

You are aware that we all watched last season and can verify you haven't even the slightest clue.

This site has some of the brightest posters, and some of the dumbest. Guess what side you are on?

According to your sound logic, most SG's in the league are "horribly inefficient" compared to what Demar put up last season. See, if you just spoke to facts, opposed to your silly narrative that is almost insulting in that you might believe I am dumb enough, ignorant enough, and possibly I do not even watch games, that I would mildly accept your absurd opening sentence in your ignorant statement above.

The only thing you accomplished is showing me that you are not worth paying attention to.

You need to stop running your mouth about facts and logic.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... zde01.html

Take a look at his FG% for last year, it was his 2nd worst FG% year through his entire career (not counting this terrible year)..

.429 from FG and .303 from 3pt is not horribly inefficient? Okay then.... what does it take?

Rudy Gay the ULTIMATE CHUCKER and CANCER shot .482 FG and .312 3pt for sac after he left that year mid season... This year? Chucker boy Rudy is at .448 and .378 ...

DeMar is not, has not, and will NEVER be an efficient offensive player. PERIOD. Get that through your head. You have a player that can get buckets at a high level and that is literally all. You give him enough shots, you will get enough points...

This year ... .403 fg% and .233 3pt% ... absolutely TERRIBLE. One of THE WORST shooting guards (edit forgot we made him a 3 guard, shouldnt call him a shooting guard anymore) in the league looking at those two numbers in isolation.

I need to stop running my mouth eh?

How about you take your pathetic one dimensional efficiency stat, the same pathetic stat that you and you ignorant circle jerk of 5 or 6 Demar bashers clamor to, the same pathetic stat that has been used to death to try and convince the world you have clue about this game and what makes a player successful, and shove it firmly up your ass, where it belongs.

Thankfully, most understand there is so much more to this game than an efficiency stat. We witnessed this team with and without Demar, no comparison. We saw our best season in the entire franchise history led by our true All Star Demar Derozan. Media across North America, I am talking about the who’s who of NBA coverage, all praising Demar as one of the best SG in the game. And as brilliant a mind these people are, they fail to pay homeage to your amazing efficiency stat? Wonder why? Don’t, because it’s the exact same reason I gave you above. It tells a small part of the game, and in the grand scheme, it means not much to those that understand the game at a higher level.

If you are incapable of understanding what Demar is to this team, the importance he brings and his output last season that lead us to our best record in franchise history, then there is nothing left to speak of. I do not value anything you have to say about Demar, your efficiency stat proves absolutely nothing in the bigger picture, and quite frankly you have no clue what tangibles are needed by a player to be an all star.

Demar is an all star, and by seasons end he will be back to the level he was at last season, a level that made you and a couple of your circle jerk Demar haters look so stupid last season. IT was funny then and it will be even funnier in a months’ time.

Demar haters seem so simple in mind, one dimensional posters clamoring to TS% stat, its almost archaic in how they decipher this game. Open your eyes and pay attention, there is much more to this game.

You managed to write an essay yet say absolutely nothing.

[MrBojangelz71]

You need to stop running your mouth about facts and logic.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... zde01.html

Take a look at his FG% for last year, it was his 2nd worst FG% year through his entire career (not counting this terrible year)..

.429 from FG and .303 from 3pt is not horribly inefficient? Okay then.... what does it take?

Rudy Gay the ULTIMATE CHUCKER and CANCER shot .482 FG and .312 3pt for sac after he left that year mid season... This year? Chucker boy Rudy is at .448 and .378 ...

DeMar is not, has not, and will NEVER be an efficient offensive player. PERIOD. Get that through your head. You have a player that can get buckets at a high level and that is literally all. You give him enough shots, you will get enough points...

This year ... .403 fg% and .233 3pt% ... absolutely TERRIBLE. One of THE WORST shooting guards (edit forgot we made him a 3 guard, shouldnt call him a shooting guard anymore) in the league looking at those two numbers in isolation.

I need to stop running my mouth eh?

How about you take your pathetic one dimensional efficiency stat, the same pathetic stat that you and you ignorant circle jerk of 5 or 6 Demar bashers clamor to, the same pathetic stat that has been used to death to try and convince the world you have clue about this game and what makes a player successful, and shove it firmly up your ass, where it belongs.

Thankfully, most understand there is so much more to this game than an efficiency stat. We witnessed this team with and without Demar, no comparison. We saw our best season in the entire franchise history led by our true All Star Demar Derozan. Media across North America, I am talking about the who’s who of NBA coverage, all praising Demar as one of the best SG in the game. And as brilliant a mind these people are, they fail to pay homeage to your amazing efficiency stat? Wonder why? Don’t, because it’s the exact same reason I gave you above. It tells a small part of the game, and in the grand scheme, it means not much to those that understand the game at a higher level.

If you are incapable of understanding what Demar is to this team, the importance he brings and his output last season that lead us to our best record in franchise history, then there is nothing left to speak of. I do not value anything you have to say about Demar, your efficiency stat proves absolutely nothing in the bigger picture, and quite frankly you have no clue what tangibles are needed by a player to be an all star.

Demar is an all star, and by seasons end he will be back to the level he was at last season, a level that made you and a couple of your circle jerk Demar haters look so stupid last season. IT was funny then and it will be even funnier in a months’ time.

Demar haters seem so simple in mind, one dimensional posters clamoring to TS% stat, its almost archaic in how they decipher this game. Open your eyes and pay attention, there is much more to this game.

You managed to write a essay yet say absolutely nothing.

Much like having 20000 plus posts of crap, or in your case talking about TS% and how it totally defines a player.

[Raps in 4]

I need to stop running my mouth eh?

How about you take your pathetic one dimensional efficiency stat, the same pathetic stat that you and you ignorant circle jerk of 5 or 6 Demar bashers clamor to, the same pathetic stat that has been used to death to try and convince the world you have clue about this game and what makes a player successful, and shove it firmly up your ass, where it belongs.

Thankfully, most understand there is so much more to this game than an efficiency stat. We witnessed this team with and without Demar, no comparison. We saw our best season in the entire franchise history led by our true All Star Demar Derozan. Media across North America, I am talking about the who’s who of NBA coverage, all praising Demar as one of the best SG in the game. And as brilliant a mind these people are, they fail to pay homeage to your amazing efficiency stat? Wonder why? Don’t, because it’s the exact same reason I gave you above. It tells a small part of the game, and in the grand scheme, it means not much to those that understand the game at a higher level.

If you are incapable of understanding what Demar is to this team, the importance he brings and his output last season that lead us to our best record in franchise history, then there is nothing left to speak of. I do not value anything you have to say about Demar, your efficiency stat proves absolutely nothing in the bigger picture, and quite frankly you have no clue what tangibles are needed by a player to be an all star.

Demar is an all star, and by seasons end he will be back to the level he was at last season, a level that made you and a couple of your circle jerk Demar haters look so stupid last season. IT was funny then and it will be even funnier in a months’ time.

Demar haters seem so simple in mind, one dimensional posters clamoring to TS% stat, its almost archaic in how they decipher this game. Open your eyes and pay attention, there is much more to this game.

You managed to write a essay yet say absolutely nothing.

Much like having 20000 plus posts of crap, or in your case talking about TS% and how it totally defines a player.

Where did I say it totally defines a player? I said Demar is a good player, but his glaring inefficiency keeps him from being a great player. If a player takes and misses a lot of shots, that player is wasting possessions, which has a negative impact on team performance. That isn't rocket science. Just because Demar does other things right doesn't mean you get to forget about the things he does wrong. Overall he's a net positive on performance, but he has a huge hole in his game.

I don't see why you're so adamant about arguing against facts. Your only argument is "I watch games and I know more than you, stats be damned".

[vini_vidi_vici]

DD? Allow me to put this thread back on track.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/01/28/toronto-raptors-winning-but-james-johnson-not-getting-the-minutes-he-saw-earlier-this-season/

“Again, we are in a good spot,” Raptors coach Dwane Casey said. “There shouldn’t be any negativity in the room and that’s what I just told the players. Every once in a while, we get a win [and] we start looking, thinking we didn’t do this, didn’t do that, didn’t do this, we didn’t do that. A couple years ago, I would’ve been happy to stand here and just talk about a ‘W.’

It is so bizarre, in fact, that Raptors fans have taken to inquiring as to what Johnson could have done to anger Casey and get himself exiled. It is an understandable, since Casey and Johnson clashed during the forward’s first stint in Toronto, hastening his exit from the organization. So, let’s clear this up: He did nothing. There is no conspiracy. (Unless the media is part of the conspiracy. Do not trust anybody.) He is not playing precisely because of that lineup change, which, on the surface, should not have affected him.

“I spoke to him briefly earlier,” Casey said before the game. “He understands that when DeMar [DeRozan] came back [from injury], somebody’s minutes were going to decrease. It wouldn’t be fair to throw him out there for very few minutes just to say, ‘Hey, we got him in the game.’ His time is going to come. I don’t know when. It may be tonight. It may be tomorrow night. I don’t know when it’s going to come, but it’s going to come because we need his physicality on both ends of the floor. He gives teams matchup problems offensively. Defensively, he gives us that size and toughness that we need in the paint, and the rebounding that we need."

There is no reason to think he is losing points with the coaching staff, though.

“Guys want more. You don’t want anybody on your team that doesn’t want more,” Casey said. “That’s probably what you have to manage more than anything else. Everybody can’t score 20 points. Everybody can’t play 38 minutes, 40 minutes. That’s what you’re trying to manage and get guys to understand as much as anything. That’s probably the most difficult thing about pro sports. Everybody’s trying to get theirs. At the same time, as a coach and an organization, you’re trying to pull all of those different corporations together and win.”

More at the article.

I understand the logic. Take out TR, you need shooting. They can switch coverages on the perimeter SG/PG. It leaves LW is his effective role as first perimeter guy off the bench. GV has been fairly effective 1v1 defender (+1.7 DFG% differential this year, -1.3 differential last year), and in the team concepts (despite being slow). And with LW/TR being the first 2 perimeter players off the bench plus GV/KL always in the lineup, JJ gets the squeeze.

I think youll see JJ alot more in games when we start TR (which btw is hopefully for the rest of the season), im not too concerned. My issue is the benching of TR, no matter the struggles/etc.. unless they get a big 3+D wing, because its hard to advocate they should use JJ (or even Fields) in the starting lineup when most of his points are in the paint and thats not a weakness, its actually the reason the perimeter is so open and why were getting so many open looks off penetration kicks lately.

[MrBojangelz71]

I don't see why you're so adamant about arguing against facts. Your only argument is "I watch games and I know more than you, stats be damned".

Facts? You mean fact as in singular. The same regurgitated stat that some simpletons have used numerous times in hopes of convincing the vast majority that Demar is not an all star.

The only fact that truly matters is Demar is an all star, determined by the league, one of the best young shooting guards in the league. He is our best player, and we go as he goes. That is the facts, and your silly stat does nothing to diminish that.

Not sure why its so hard to understand the true facts. I mean the league and everyone else not staring at a number understand this.

[2pat]

I don't see why you're so adamant about arguing against facts. Your only argument is "I watch games and I know more than you, stats be damned".

Facts? You mean fact as in singular. The same regurgitated stat that some simpletons have used numerous times in hopes of convincing the vast majority that Demar is not an all star.

The only fact that truly matters is Demar is an all star, determined by the league, one of the best young shooting guards in the league. He is our best player, and we go as he goes. That is the facts, and your silly stat does nothing to diminish that.

Not sure why its so hard to understand the true facts. I mean the league and everyone else not staring at a number understand this.

Do you understand the definition of 'fact'?

[DG88]

DD? Allow me to put this thread back on track.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/01/28/toronto-raptors-winning-but-james-johnson-not-getting-the-minutes-he-saw-earlier-this-season/

“Again, we are in a good spot,” Raptors coach Dwane Casey said. “There shouldn’t be any negativity in the room and that’s what I just told the players. Every once in a while, we get a win [and] we start looking, thinking we didn’t do this, didn’t do that, didn’t do this, we didn’t do that. A couple years ago, I would’ve been happy to stand here and just talk about a ‘W.’

It is so bizarre, in fact, that Raptors fans have taken to inquiring as to what Johnson could have done to anger Casey and get himself exiled. It is an understandable, since Casey and Johnson clashed during the forward’s first stint in Toronto, hastening his exit from the organization. So, let’s clear this up: He did nothing. There is no conspiracy. (Unless the media is part of the conspiracy. Do not trust anybody.) He is not playing precisely because of that lineup change, which, on the surface, should not have affected him.

“I spoke to him briefly earlier,” Casey said before the game. “He understands that when DeMar [DeRozan] came back [from injury], somebody’s minutes were going to decrease. It wouldn’t be fair to throw him out there for very few minutes just to say, ‘Hey, we got him in the game.’ His time is going to come. I don’t know when. It may be tonight. It may be tomorrow night. I don’t know when it’s going to come, but it’s going to come because we need his physicality on both ends of the floor. He gives teams matchup problems offensively. Defensively, he gives us that size and toughness that we need in the paint, and the rebounding that we need."

There is no reason to think he is losing points with the coaching staff, though.

“Guys want more. You don’t want anybody on your team that doesn’t want more,” Casey said. “That’s probably what you have to manage more than anything else. Everybody can’t score 20 points. Everybody can’t play 38 minutes, 40 minutes. That’s what you’re trying to manage and get guys to understand as much as anything. That’s probably the most difficult thing about pro sports. Everybody’s trying to get theirs. At the same time, as a coach and an organization, you’re trying to pull all of those different corporations together and win.”

More at the article.

I understand the logic. Take out TR, you need shooting. They can switch coverages on the perimeter SG/PG. It leaves LW is his effective role as first perimeter guy off the bench. GV has been fairly effective 1v1 defender (+1.7 DFG% differential this year, -1.3 differential last year), and in the team concepts (despite being slow). And with LW/TR being the first 2 perimeter players off the bench plus GV/KL always in the lineup, JJ gets the squeeze.

I think youll see JJ alot more in games when we start TR (which btw is hopefully for the rest of the season), im not too concerned. My issue is the benching of TR, no matter the struggles/etc.. unless they get a big 3+D wing, because its hard to advocate they should use JJ (or even Fields) in the starting lineup when most of his points are in the paint and thats not a weakness, its actually the reason the perimeter is so open and why were getting so many open looks off penetration kicks lately.

As I said previously in this thread the new player rotations took minutes away from JJ. Nothing more nothing less, but everyone wants a conspiracy.

[VanDamme]

As I said previously in this thread the new player rotations took minutes away from JJ. Nothing more nothing less, but everyone wants a conspiracy.

Seems to have had a positive effect on Ross

[Financials]

I don't see why you're so adamant about arguing against facts. Your only argument is "I watch games and I know more than you, stats be damned".

Facts? You mean fact as in singular. The same regurgitated stat that some simpletons have used numerous times in hopes of convincing the vast majority that Demar is not an all star.

The only fact that truly matters is Demar is an all star, determined by the league, one of the best young shooting guards in the league. He is our best player, and we go as he goes. That is the facts, and your silly stat does nothing to diminish that.

Not sure why its so hard to understand the true facts. I mean the league and everyone else not staring at a number understand this.

I won't post on realgm again if demar derozan becomes a two-time all-star while playing on the toronto raptors.

[markban21]

BREAKING:

The real reason Casey no longer plays JJ - he's jealous of his breakdancing moves.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/tomhaberstroh/status/561212635002470400[/tweet]

[DemoleDemolezan]

I don't see why you're so adamant about arguing against facts. Your only argument is "I watch games and I know more than you, stats be damned".

Facts? You mean fact as in singular. The same regurgitated stat that some simpletons have used numerous times in hopes of convincing the vast majority that Demar is not an all star.

The only fact that truly matters is Demar is an all star, determined by the league, one of the best young shooting guards in the league. He is our best player, and we go as he goes. That is the facts, and your silly stat does nothing to diminish that.

Not sure why its so hard to understand the true facts. I mean the league and everyone else not staring at a number understand this.

I won't post on realgm again if demar derozan becomes a two-time all-star while playing on the toronto raptors.

I would sig that, but i am not sure anyone would care if you stopped posting here.

[Fairview4Life]

BREAKING:

The real reason Casey no longer plays JJ - he's jealous of his breakdancing moves.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/tomhaberstroh/status/561212635002470400[/tweet]

This has been around for a long time.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qTVbrGZXVY[/youtube]

[markban21]

BREAKING:

The real reason Casey no longer plays JJ - he's jealous of his breakdancing moves.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/tomhaberstroh/status/561212635002470400[/tweet]

This has been around for a long time.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qTVbrGZXVY[/youtube]

Sweet, I was hoping to find a GIF of him breakdancing, but that's just as good.

I knew he was good at martial arts, didn't know about the breakdancing skills. (Apparently neither did Tom Haberstroh)

[Egg Nog]

I think the only reasonable conclusion is that MrBojangelz71 is incapable of effectively understanding basketball.

The Raptors literally have their least efficient offensive player attempting shots at a higher rate than anyone else. If someone can't see the problem there, there is really no hope for them.

Glaring faults can't be overlooked. DeMar is a very talented hard-working player with glaring faults. The real shame is that shot selection, in theory, seems so "fixable"...I don't see it happening though, as much as I'd love to see it happen.

[Local_NG_Idiot]

I think the only reasonable conclusion is that MrBojangelz71 is incapable of effectively understanding basketball.

The Raptors literally have their least efficient offensive player attempting shots at a higher rate than anyone else. If someone can't see the problem there, there is really no hope for them.

Glaring faults can't be overlooked. DeMar is a very talented hard-working player with glaring faults. The real shame is that shot selection, in theory, seems so "fixable"...I don't see it happening though, as much as I'd love to see it happen.

Not that I subscribe to MrBojangelz71 ways of thinking, I will rebut with the point that if you do not consider team role, team needs, and overall game impact when evaluating a player and then exile them based upon a single fault, heck, you might as well want to boot every player out of the league save 5-10 guys.

I mean if you only want to judge a player based upon his shot selection and shooting efficiency, why aren't you posters here begging on the board to send DD to the Clips for Redick or Crawford, or to NYK for Jose, or to Minny for Shabazz?

[Egg Nog]

Not that I subscribe to MrBojangelz71 ways of thinking, I will rebut with the point that if you do not consider team role, team needs, and overall game impact when evaluating a player and then exile them based upon a single fault, heck, you might as well want to boot every player out of the league save 5-10 guys.

I mean if you only want to judge a player based upon his shot selection and shooting efficiency, why aren't you posters here begging on the board to send DD to the Clips for Redick or Crawford, or to NYK for Jose, or to Minny for Shabazz?

I agree somewhat with what you're saying, and I do agree (and said before) than DeMar is a genuinely talented player. Lots of players have faults... Steve Nash/Dirk Nowitzki/Amare Stoudemire all had their defensive shortcomings and were able to perform at a high level in spite of that. DeMar is able to warrant play based on his various strengths, but he is our primary shot-taker on offense and he is one of the least efficient shooters on the team. This is like trying to get Amare to anchor a defense.

Your glaring fault should not be in the same category as what you consider your role to be. DeMar takes shots like a 1st option and makes shots like a 4th/5th option. If you're supposed to be a scorer and you act like it, TS% rules all. If you can't score efficiently, change your game and stick to what you're good at...otherwise you'll just become Josh Smith.

...and for what it's worth, I would blame Casey for letting it happen as much as DeMar for making it happen.