Official Trade Thread: The Block Is Hot!!

[Revived]

I wouldn't trade for IT for Stephenson, come on. I'd rather give minutes to Goodwin than trade for Stephenson.

And who is "Covington"?

[LukasBMW]

What a mess.

The Morris brothers looked so happy after the extensions this summer. Now they are the main source of negativity in the locker room?

PJ Tucker gets a DUI, then he misses the team bus, yet he is still our best leader and locker room guy???

Dragic seems excited to have his bother on the team and all but commits to the Suns in September, yet now he is willing to explore free agency?

I trust McDonough, but we really dropped the ball here.

[bwgood77]

If people don't want him, he must not be very desirable. Hopefully someone wants him, but we may have to end up taking a dead salary if we really want to get rid of him.

Where are you getting that people don't want him?

Well it seems he'd be traded by now if people wanted him, but it does make sense that people will hold out and make sure to check all their options right until the trade deadline.

It seems he'd have value, but with so many point guards out there, and then so many that got cut or are cheaper, it might be tough. When Nate Robinson got cut, I hated it, because he is the type of guy that could get a job that IT would be better at, but more expensive.

I just try and go through teams and coaches, and I don't see much. If he dribbled less, I could see it, but if he is an Iverson clone as Kerssed said, or even Marbury, those types of players eventually washed out because people didn't want those types of players. I can't remember what other team wanted him in free agency. Anyone remember? It seems there was another he chose us over.

I also feel that McD might be asking for too much. If he expects a first for Plumlee, I can't imagine what he expects for Thomas. Then again, of course it's better to ask for more than you truly expect to get, so I'm sure that's what he is doing with Plumlee, and probably with Thomas.

I know our team is better in times he plays on the floor, and I can see why some want to keep him because of that. I just feel that is short sighted in the grand scheme of things. If I KNEW Dragic would stay, I wouldn't mind keeping him, though I still think the team would, in the long run, be more fluid and have better chemistry without him.

Everyone is talking about how the team seems unhappy, and the only real difference this year is Thomas.

[bwgood77]

If people don't want him, he must not be very desirable.

Exactly. Sure teams may want him, but if no one is willing to acquire him, then he obviously doesn't hold value.

I think he'd make sense as a 6th man on Houston - a $7m offensive spark to complement Beverley's defensive PG game. Bev is probably worth around $7m as a complementary 3D guy next to Harden so they could easily afford both to fill out the PG rotation (considering most teams spend $10+m on their PG rotation anyway).

I think he'd make sense in Houston too, but only as a sixth man. Harden's usage rate is too high, and IT's ball game might get under Harden's skin if he had to play much with him. It does make sense to use Beverly next to Harden since Harden basically plays point and let Thomas dominate the ball when Harden sits.

I read somewhere that the team outscores other teams at a good rate with Harden on the floor, but when he ISN'T on the floor, they have the 2nd worst offense in the league, just ahead of Philly.

[bwgood77]

I wouldn't trade for IT for Stephenson, come on. I'd rather give minutes to Goodwin than trade for Stephenson.

And who is "Covington"?

I can't remember, but he was killing it in fantasy for awhile.

[AtheJ415]

What a mess.

The Morris brothers looked so happy after the extensions this summer. Now they are the main source of negativity in the locker room?

PJ Tucker gets a DUI, then he misses the team bus, yet he is still our best leader and locker room guy???

Dragic seems excited to have his bother on the team and all but commits to the Suns in September, yet now he is willing to explore free agency?

I trust McDonough, but we really dropped the ball here.

I'm sorry, but how did he drop the ball? By signing the Morris bros to cheap deals before the cap increased, right before Kieff had his best year thus far?

Signing Goran's brother for little? Not re-signing Dragic (which I don't think we are even allowed to do early with him), right after his all-NBA season, knowing he probably wouldn't be all-NBA this season?

Because a role player got a DUI who we signed for nothing?

What was the mistake he made from a GM standpoint via player acquisition?

Because if it's all IT that's just wrong. His production at his salary is easily a win.

[LukasBMW]

The debate: IT at $7 mil per year VS. Dragic at 15 mil per year is a valid one.

I'd be open to trading Dragic and other pieces for the right player...a strong front court upgrade or a premier 2 or 3.

But if we cannot get a good return on Dragic, I'd rather trade IT for nothing and give Dragic a max deal. If we lose both...we still have Bledsoe.

[Frank Lee]

the ironic thing is, the one PG who did not really care to be here, is the one we are keeping.

What do you mean he did not really want to be here? Because he didnt accept our extension right away? Well i guess Dragic REALLY doesnt want to be here either, as he is opting out of his current contract with us and keeps talking to every media person who will listen about how every team has a chance at him in FA.

Lets just say he was massively indifferent, where as Dragic was (emphasis on was) giddy to be here.

[AtheJ415]

I'll be happy if we get good value (relative to each's play) for Green, Plumlee, Marcus, or PJ. Trading those guys solves a lot of problems imo, presuming we get the right types of young players and picks in return.

[AtheJ415]

I just think we as fans overrate the doom and gloom mentality due to impatience.

We have a great group of 25 and under players. We are 1 trade or home run draft pick from contention. And everyone is questioning the GM who got us there based on hypothetical situations that haven't occurred (losing Dragic b/c of IT, not being able to trade IT, Markieff continuing to rack up league leading amounts of techs, etc.). Let things play out and then judge. Because this particular GM has earned more trust in his early moves than any GM I can think of in this entire league.

[LukasBMW]

If we trade away the Morris twins, I want us to try to get Thad Young here.

He'd be a great replacement. Probably cheap too. A lottery protected 1st round pick should do it.

[Scutt]

I just think we as fans overrate the doom and gloom mentality due to impatience.

We have a great group of 25 and under players. We are 1 trade or home run draft pick from contention. And everyone is questioning the GM who got us there based on hypothetical situations that haven't occurred (losing Dragic b/c of IT, not being able to trade IT, Markieff continuing to rack up league leading amounts of techs, etc.). Let things play out and then judge. Because this particular GM has earned more trust in his early moves than any GM I can think of in this entire league.

That great group of players that are 25 and under, and ACTUALLY play in the rotation, include Bledsoe, Len, and the Morris Bros. The Morris Brothers attitudes have not won them too many fans of late, and its a safe bet that neither will be an all star. So that leaves the Suns with only two players, 25 or younger, that have all star potential and are in the rotation. That seems pretty pathetic for a team that lacks a franchise player and is supposed to be rebuilding.

You really believe this team is one trade away from being a contender? This roster is too flawed for a single trade or draft pick to turn us into contenders over night, or maybe I am not drinking enough of the Suns Kool-Aid?

[bwgood77]

If we trade away the Morris twins, I want us to try to get Thad Young here.

He'd be a great replacement. Probably cheap too. A lottery protected 1st round pick should do it.

Young might be good, but he is going to be a free agent too. I think we should keep the twins for now (barring a great trade for a really good player) and hope they shape up. Maybe trade Marcus, but I think (hope) they can work their issues out.

[bwgood77]

I just think we as fans overrate the doom and gloom mentality due to impatience.

We have a great group of 25 and under players. We are 1 trade or home run draft pick from contention. And everyone is questioning the GM who got us there based on hypothetical situations that haven't occurred (losing Dragic b/c of IT, not being able to trade IT, Markieff continuing to rack up league leading amounts of techs, etc.). Let things play out and then judge. Because this particular GM has earned more trust in his early moves than any GM I can think of in this entire league.

That great group of players that are 25 and under, and ACTUALLY play in the rotation, include Bledsoe, Len, and the Morris Bros. The Morris Brothers attitudes have not won them too many fans of late, and its a safe bet that neither will be an all star. So that leaves the Suns with only two players, 25 or younger, that have all star potential and are in the rotation. That seems pretty pathetic for a team that lacks a franchise player and is supposed to be rebuilding.

You really believe this team is one trade away from being a contender? This roster is too flawed for a single trade or draft pick to turn us into contenders over night, or maybe I am not drinking enough of the Suns Kool-Aid?

Everyone on a successful team isn't going to be an all star, and you can have guys that no one projects to be all stars and do well. The west is just stacked now. In most any years, or if we were in the east, we'd be a playoff team that is younger than most all the other teams. We still don't know what Warren can turn into as well. No one really though the Hawks had much for all stars outside of Horford but they may have four this year. The Spurs might have none and just won it all.

[AtheJ415]

I just think we as fans overrate the doom and gloom mentality due to impatience.

We have a great group of 25 and under players. We are 1 trade or home run draft pick from contention. And everyone is questioning the GM who got us there based on hypothetical situations that haven't occurred (losing Dragic b/c of IT, not being able to trade IT, Markieff continuing to rack up league leading amounts of techs, etc.). Let things play out and then judge. Because this particular GM has earned more trust in his early moves than any GM I can think of in this entire league.

That great group of players that are 25 and under, and ACTUALLY play in the rotation, include Bledsoe, Len, and the Morris Bros. The Morris Brothers attitudes have not won them too many fans of late, and its a safe bet that neither will be an all star. So that leaves the Suns with only two players, 25 or younger, that have all star potential and are in the rotation. That seems pretty pathetic for a team that lacks a franchise player and is supposed to be rebuilding.

You really believe this team is one trade away from being a contender? This roster is too flawed for a single trade or draft pick to turn us into contenders over night, or maybe I am not drinking enough of the Suns Kool-Aid?

I'm sorry, but who are these teamed filled with under 25 players that have 3-4 guys who have all star potential? You're also eliminating Warren, Goodwin, and Ennis from the convo simply because our team is so much better than a typical rebuilding team that they can't make the rotation. That's not a problem--it's a good thing.

[Revived]

I think it's funny that people keep mentioning how we have this core of players who are 25 and younger. They see it as if to mean that a bunch of those players have star potential or something.

Right now, out of the 25 & younger players who we actually give playing time to, Bledsoe and Len are literally the only two players who have the potential to be anything more than solid role players.

[bwgood77]

I think it's funny that people keep mentioning how we have this core of players who are 25 and younger. They see it as if to mean that a bunch of those players have star potential or something.

Right now, out of the 25 & younger players who we actually give playing time to, Bledsoe and Len are literally the only two players who have the potential to be anything more than solid role players.

I don't think you can count out Warren or possibly even Ennis. We don't know enough about these guys yet. These guys were both among the best in college, and Ennis led the #1 team in the nation (for much of the year) as a FRESHMAN. Nobody does that. Warren won ACC player of the year over Parker.

Even if Len and Bledsoe became all stars and everyone else was a solid role player, that is a pretty good recipe for success.

[Revived]

I just think we as fans overrate the doom and gloom mentality due to impatience.

We have a great group of 25 and under players. We are 1 trade or home run draft pick from contention. And everyone is questioning the GM who got us there based on hypothetical situations that haven't occurred (losing Dragic b/c of IT, not being able to trade IT, Markieff continuing to rack up league leading amounts of techs, etc.). Let things play out and then judge. Because this particular GM has earned more trust in his early moves than any GM I can think of in this entire league.

That great group of players that are 25 and under, and ACTUALLY play in the rotation, include Bledsoe, Len, and the Morris Bros. The Morris Brothers attitudes have not won them too many fans of late, and its a safe bet that neither will be an all star. So that leaves the Suns with only two players, 25 or younger, that have all star potential and are in the rotation. That seems pretty pathetic for a team that lacks a franchise player and is supposed to be rebuilding.

You really believe this team is one trade away from being a contender? This roster is too flawed for a single trade or draft pick to turn us into contenders over night, or maybe I am not drinking enough of the Suns Kool-Aid?

I'm sorry, but who are these teamed filled with under 25 players that have 3-4 guys who have all star potential? You're also eliminating Warren, Goodwin, and Ennis from the convo simply because our team is so much better than a typical rebuilding team that they can't make the rotation. That's not a problem--it's a good thing.

Ask the Denver Nuggets and their fans if thats a good thing.

This whole "We're rebuilding but we're doing it by not giving any of our rookies or sophomores (besides Len) minutes" may be a successful thing in the short run but it's not in the long run.

The freaking Spurs who are contenders every year found ways to get playing time for Kawhi Leonard and their rookie this year.

But no, we're too good for our rookies and sophomores to get playing time.

[Revived]

I think it's funny that people keep mentioning how we have this core of players who are 25 and younger. They see it as if to mean that a bunch of those players have star potential or something.

Right now, out of the 25 & younger players who we actually give playing time to, Bledsoe and Len are literally the only two players who have the potential to be anything more than solid role players.

I don't think you can count out Warren or possibly even Ennis. We don't know enough about these guys yet. These guys were both among the best in college, and Ennis led the #1 team in the nation (for much of the year) as a FRESHMAN. Nobody does that. Warren won ACC player of the year over Parker.

Even if Len and Bledsoe became all stars and everyone else was a solid role player, that is a pretty good recipe for success.

I don't doubt that Warren and Ennis can ball. I think Warren & Ennis will suffer the same fate as Archie Goodwin.

Warren will NEVER get playing time with both Marcus and Tucker on the team. And what does both Tucker and Marcus have in common? Their both locked in on long term deals and neither are huge trade assets.

Ennis will NEVER get playing time with Dragic, Bledsoe and IT. What do two of those three have in common? Their both locked in on long term deals. Even if Dragic walks, Ennis playing time won't increase because it's not like they can plug IT or Ennis at SG like they do with Dragic.

Personally I think Warren, Ennis and Goodwin will all be good-great players but it won't be for the Suns.

[RunDogGun]

Spurs rookie played 25 minutes total this year. In my best Yoda voice: "Full of poop you are."

Well back to the topic of trades, we can't trade just one of the twins, so any of those trades should be out.

I still like trading Green and a pick to Boston for Sullinger. It gives us some room to possibly move both Twins, while giving us a stretch four who can rebound.