Lopez for Reggie Jackson falls apart; Nets acquire Thad Young for KG (UPDATE: Page 58)

[Paradise]

I remember when King was hired, and all the warnings came in from Philly fans about him.... and he made that DWill trade and looked like a genius.

And then everything went downhill.

And even the D-Will trade, which is regarded as one of the better deals he's made, Utah knew damn well they were selling a bag of hot flaming garbage to the Nets. Utah's GM was waiting patiently for the Melo situation to clear up, ready to pounce on King. King was calling them up about someone else and out of the blue their GM offers D-Will.

King's face was probably like " ...um...uh, sure!"

It was a good trade idea in theory and back then people valued Deron over Melo. So, I can't criticize King for wanting to make that deal considering I would've done the same. Besides, It wasn't trading for Deron that put us in a hole. It was the garbage that King did afterwards.

[yosemiteben]

Thought you folks might be interested in a couple tweets by a Hornets blogger this morning:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/JPlowright_NBA/status/560797946762235904[/tweet]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/JPlowright_NBA/status/560798279441858560[/tweet]

[Prokorov]

Thought you folks might be interested in a couple tweets by a Hornets blogger this morning:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/JPlowright_NBA/status/560797946762235904[/tweet]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/JPlowright_NBA/status/560798279441858560[/tweet]

I just dont see this deal happening. King is dead set on not taking lance... I'd assume he drags it close to the deadline, then breaks off talks at the last minute saying he couldnt get it done.

The big issue here is that king thinks lopez is a franchise player and doesnt want to trade him, but he is actually our best chance to make a trade. and he wants no part of lance, who is the guy probably easiest for us to obtain.

It is infurating as a nets fan to watch the guy who didnt flinch when giving up a lottery pick for a 2 month rental of gerald wallace hold strong not trading the biggest loser on our team(lopez).

[CalamityX12]

Thought you folks might be interested in a couple tweets by a Hornets blogger this morning:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/JPlowright_NBA/status/560797946762235904[/tweet]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/JPlowright_NBA/status/560798279441858560[/tweet]

What do Hornet fans feel about this?

[CalamityX12]

Thought you folks might be interested in a couple tweets by a Hornets blogger this morning:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/JPlowright_NBA/status/560797946762235904[/tweet]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/JPlowright_NBA/status/560798279441858560[/tweet]

I just dont see this deal happening. King is dead set on not taking lance... I'd assume he drags it close to the deadline, then breaks off talks at the last minute saying he couldnt get it done.

The big issue here is that king thinks lopez is a franchise player and doesnt want to trade him, but he is actually our best chance to make a trade. and he wants no part of lance, who is the guy probably easiest for us to obtain.

It is infurating as a nets fan to watch the guy who didnt flinch when giving up a lottery pick for a 2 month rental of gerald wallace hold strong not trading the biggest loser on our team(lopez).

Billy King has successfully failed as a GM during his time here. IF OWNERSHIP needs to do his job correctly how the **** isn't he fired....

The fact that Billy King is against this(speculation) means its a good move for the organization.

He's a criminal, a nasty piece of sh*t criminal....

[Prokorov]

Yea, like im seriously so frustrated I dont even know what to say.

We had a chance to trade my least favorite net(Lopez) since Ed O'Bannon for one of my favorite players(Lance) and go from a guy who cares more about comics then basketball to a homegrown kid who is super competitive. Even if we got worse, id have a team id be happy to root for again, instead of desting 2 of our best players.

Any of these deals gets us younger more athletic players or harder working competitors...

Lamb, PJ3, Thad Young, Deng, McGee, Chandler, Lawson, Lance, Marvin, Henderson,....

these are all guys gift wrapped to us and king doesnt want to pull the trigger.

it makes 0 sense. not only are teams willing to trade for guys who are untradeable, they are actually looking to overpay us for a change.

[Paradise]

I'll be surprised if any deal with Charlotte happens.

Billy King not being a fan of Stephenson is comical. Who is he a fan of? He rejected Jeremy Lamb and now It's Stephenson. What chemistry is Stephenson going to disrupt? We SUCK either way. Stephenson atleast can add some athleticism and passion for this franchise. Someone who actually WANTS to be here.

Does he prefer to trade for another over the hill veteran on decline while sending out multiple unprotected firsts? I cannot wait for this clown to get his ass out of here. Two more summers until his contract expires. I really hope ownership jumps in and overrules him to make him feel like the complete embarrassment that he is.

[yosemiteben]

What do Hornet fans feel about this?

At this point we're ready to call the Lance experiment a failure. We recognize that he has the potential to be productive, but he has not shown the ability to be productive in our system. His shooting has been terrible, and he hasn't shown himself to be a plus defender.

At this point he is holding us back more than he is helping us.

I tend to be the most patient and optimistic of all the folks over on our board, and even I am done with him. I don't know if it's personality, skill set or what, but he does not help us right now.

Honestly, my biggest hangup on the deal is I don't want to send out Henderson. He is one of the few guys that has shown to be able to generate offense at all efficiently and also defend. If we could do a deal where we send out Lance, Neal and Marvin for JJ I would be all over it.

[MrDollarBills]

It's obvious that King prefers to trade for someone who is on their last legs.

I don't care if Stephenson comes here and gets arrested the next day, dumping Johnson's contract and getting some depth is more important than standing pat

**** this piece of ****, seriously.

[Shook Jones]

What is billy trying to protect!! His legacy? The culture of BKN Nets? They stink! they are a complete joke in the NBA they get made fun of on national TV!!!

Make some moves and show you have some balls!!!

Jackson
Bojan
LAnce
Thad
Plumlee

[Prokorov]

It's obvious that King prefers to trade for someone who is on their last legs.

I don't care if Stephenson comes here and gets arrested the next day, dumping Johnson's contract and getting some depth is more important than standing pat

**** this piece of ****, seriously.

this is where i am at. having henderson, williams alone is worth the deal

[Prokorov]

What do Hornet fans feel about this?

At this point we're ready to call the Lance experiment a failure. We recognize that he has the potential to be productive, but he has not shown the ability to be productive in our system. His shooting has been terrible, and he hasn't shown himself to be a plus defender.

At this point he is holding us back more than he is helping us.

I tend to be the most patient and optimistic of all the folks over on our board, and even I am done with him. I don't know if it's personality, skill set or what, but he does not help us right now.

Honestly, my biggest hangup on the deal is I don't want to send out Henderson. He is one of the few guys that has shown to be able to generate offense at all efficiently and also defend. If we could do a deal where we send out Lance, Neal and Marvin for JJ I would be all over it.

im not suprised by all of this. im a big fan of henderson, wanted us to make a move for him last year. he plays hard on both ends.

id prefer he is the deal but would do it either way

would also prefer to give you guys lopez instead of johnson

[CalamityX12]

What do Hornet fans feel about this?

At this point we're ready to call the Lance experiment a failure. We recognize that he has the potential to be productive, but he has not shown the ability to be productive in our system. His shooting has been terrible, and he hasn't shown himself to be a plus defender.

At this point he is holding us back more than he is helping us.

I tend to be the most patient and optimistic of all the folks over on our board, and even I am done with him. I don't know if it's personality, skill set or what, but he does not help us right now.

Honestly, my biggest hangup on the deal is I don't want to send out Henderson. He is one of the few guys that has shown to be able to generate offense at all efficiently and also defend. If we could do a deal where we send out Lance, Neal and Marvin for JJ I would be all over it.

I thought the acquisition of Lance to CHA was exactly what your team needed... an energy guy who plays defense(at least hustles) but adds in quality scoring and toughness... thought he would mesh well and make CHA a big player in the following season IMO.

Sucks to see that it did not fold that way, really had you guys up there with that signing.

With Kemba hurt, are you hearing anything about CHA making a play for a legit PG(maybe like a dragic?)

[Flip Murray]

What do Hornet fans feel about this?

At this point we're ready to call the Lance experiment a failure. We recognize that he has the potential to be productive, but he has not shown the ability to be productive in our system. His shooting has been terrible, and he hasn't shown himself to be a plus defender.

At this point he is holding us back more than he is helping us.

I tend to be the most patient and optimistic of all the folks over on our board, and even I am done with him. I don't know if it's personality, skill set or what, but he does not help us right now.

Honestly, my biggest hangup on the deal is I don't want to send out Henderson. He is one of the few guys that has shown to be able to generate offense at all efficiently and also defend. If we could do a deal where we send out Lance, Neal and Marvin for JJ I would be all over it.

judging by our thread on the hornets board i'd say we're sharply divided haha

[Keith Van Horn]

Seeing how well JJ played last night having an injection of a "decent" SG with Anderson makes me think it's better to keep Johnson and try to get Lance via trading Lopez.

I think JJ can give us more if he has another solid player. Look how he produced once him and Pierce figured it out. I really believe the same thing could happen with him and Lance. Look at how Lance and PG worked together.

And it goes without saying that as much of a disappointment Deron has been, we NEED him back.

I'm very frustrated too... we all are. How are we not doing anything??

[Zachbretton]

Seeing how well JJ played last night having an injection of a "decent" SG with Anderson makes me think it's better to keep Johnson and try to get Lance via trading Lopez.

I think JJ can give us more if he has another solid player. Look how he produced once him and Pierce figured it out. I really believe the same thing could happen with him and Lance. Look at how Lance and PG worked together.

And it goes without saying that as much of a disappointment Deron has been, we NEED him back.

I'm very frustrated too... we all are. How are we not doing anything??

How I feel exactly, I love Johnson he's been my favorite Net since our time in Brooklyn and if possible I'd love to keep him since when he's healthy he's a quality player.

I don't see why we can re-initiate the 3-way with OKC... Maybe we can enhance the talks with some extra value to get a more balanced trade... but If we can move Lopez and get Lance and some other players who give a damn (AKA... real depth) I don't see why don't do it in a SECOND.

I agree, things were nice last night with a rested JJ and a SG who can make shots.

I just want a trade to happen that gets us a bit more depth and players who care, have JJ not play a million minutes and get back to form and then have DWill come back.

I just don't see the playoffs being that far away from us, as long as we make a trade and fix this **** pile up, we can beat out the pistons and hornets who are now both dealing with substantial injuries to key players. I don't care if we get 8th and get swept, I just want to be competitive and not GIFT the hawks a **** LOTTERY PICK

[Prokorov]

Seeing how well JJ played last night having an injection of a "decent" SG with Anderson makes me think it's better to keep Johnson and try to get Lance via trading Lopez.

I think JJ can give us more if he has another solid player. Look how he produced once him and Pierce figured it out. I really believe the same thing could happen with him and Lance. Look at how Lance and PG worked together.

And it goes without saying that as much of a disappointment Deron has been, we NEED him back.

I'm very frustrated too... we all are. How are we not doing anything??

yea, obviously of the two you keep johnson. he is a better player who does more to help us win. pai him with lance and marvin williams and we may be ok.

im fine trading both, but lance doesnt fit with lopez either.

Brook needs to go, he simply doesnt help us and is an injury risk

[Born_Ready]

As much as it pains me the only player the Hornets would want would be Joe Johnson. He's been my 2nd favorite player to play this game since he walked into Bud Walton at the University of Arkansas. I've said in another thread him leaving would be difficult but it might be what's best for the team. HOWEVER, if Billy can finagle a trade without Johnson being involved would be lovely. I just don't see that happening if the Nets want Lance.

Knowing Billy King he wants to trade Joe Johnson for Henderson, Neal, and Roberts. Not even sniffing the possibility of obtaining Lance Stephenson. Contractuly I know that wouldn't work, but King is that stupid to try I'm sure.

[Prokorov]

we wont deal with the hornets as long as king has a say in it. he is 110% against lance.

if a trade happens i think its likely lopez to miami or denver. hopefully denver gets reggie, making lawson expendable

[Luca Brasi]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kwqrlyn

And include the OKC 1st rounder that Denver got from Cleveland and send it to Brooklyn.

Brooklyn gets: Lamb/Perkins/OKC first rounder
OKC gets: Lopez/Arthur
Denver gets: Jackson/Perry Jones

Great trade for all three teams. Thoughts?