We Are Stuck With Him - The Lance Stephenson Thread II

[Flip Murray]

Would be different if he could back it up. The way he is shooting means he did absolutely nothing in the off season. Hell, Henderson doesn't workout with the team but he at least goes back to Duke to workout with the coaches and work on his degree. Kemba goes back to New York plays a little street ball works out with a personal trainer then comes back here for a majority of the off season. This guy did none of that, nothing. All he did was play pro-am ball which is literally nothing but a glorified YMCA all star game. No wonder is shot is flatter than my mothers ass.

come on man you just killed my buzz

Hes currently just a waste of talent. And to be honest I think his talent may even be overblown at this point. Way overblown. Im thrilled Clifford put him in his place at the beginning of the season basically stating that Lance is not as good as we as fans or even he thinks he is, yet. Time will tell, but he has been God awful. Him and Neal are a big negative for our team right now.

Yeah its true. Mario Balotelli is in my top 3 favorite soccer players too so maybe i just need to get my head checked.

[Liver_Pooty]

come on man you just killed my buzz

Hes currently just a waste of talent. And to be honest I think his talent may even be overblown at this point. Way overblown. Im thrilled Clifford put him in his place at the beginning of the season basically stating that Lance is not as good as we as fans or even he thinks he is, yet. Time will tell, but he has been God awful. Him and Neal are a big negative for our team right now.

Yeah its true. Mario Balotelli is in my top 3 favorite soccer players too so maybe i just need to get my head checked.

Only thing I know about soccer is that real madrid is pretty good, and Landon Donovan got shafted by the german coach for the world cup. I do love me some Jose Altidore though.

Freddy Adu is the kwame brown of american soccer was well.

[Flip Murray]

Hes currently just a waste of talent. And to be honest I think his talent may even be overblown at this point. Way overblown. Im thrilled Clifford put him in his place at the beginning of the season basically stating that Lance is not as good as we as fans or even he thinks he is, yet. Time will tell, but he has been God awful. Him and Neal are a big negative for our team right now.

Yeah its true. Mario Balotelli is in my top 3 favorite soccer players too so maybe i just need to get my head checked.

Only thing I know about soccer is that real madrid is pretty good, and Landon Donovan got shafted by the german coach for the world cup. I do love me some Jose Altidore though.

Freddy Adu is the kwame brown of american soccer was well.

Let me put it this way. lance stephenson is the mario balotelli of basketball

[Liver_Pooty]

Yeah its true. Mario Balotelli is in my top 3 favorite soccer players too so maybe i just need to get my head checked.

Only thing I know about soccer is that real madrid is pretty good, and Landon Donovan got shafted by the german coach for the world cup. I do love me some Jose Altidore though.

Freddy Adu is the kwame brown of american soccer was well.

Let me put it this way. lance stephenson is the mario balotelli of basketball

Just read his wiki page because I have no idea who he is. Thanks for the education.

[Flip Murray]

Only thing I know about soccer is that real madrid is pretty good, and Landon Donovan got shafted by the german coach for the world cup. I do love me some Jose Altidore though.

Freddy Adu is the kwame brown of american soccer was well.

Let me put it this way. lance stephenson is the mario balotelli of basketball

Just read his wiki page because I have no idea who he is. Thanks for the education.

haha you can't tell me this isn't the lance of soccer

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsN6svBWYg0[/youtube]

Edit: 500 Posts! I'd like to first thank the academy, also my parents and david stern

[catch20two]

Yea, Balotelli is the Lance of soccer. A lot of hype based on 1 year and a bunch of silly antics.

[Eoghan]

I dunno, when Balo readies a shot I expect it to go in, or at least have a chance. When Lance flat lines a three pointer my eyes immediately look hopefully for offensive rebounders.

[TheKingofSting]

We are pretty much stuck with him now.

[yosemiteben]

"I’ve really been struggling with my jump shot. I’m trying to be aggressive in other ways – rebounding and getting people involved," said Stephenson, who shot 2-of-10. "If getting people involved is my thing on this team, then that’s what I’ll do."

Coach Steve Clifford liked the sound of that.

"He’s a terrific passer," Clifford said. "He has vision and the ability to deliver passes from the perimeter and in tight corners."

Source

Found that quote from Lance to be kind of amusing. Getting people involved was always supposed to be what he was going to do on this team. We don't care if he is only taking 4 FGAs per game as long as he does something productive while he's on the court. Just stop shooting and stop generating TOs and we'll be good.

[Hornet Mania]

Yeah, it's good he's accepting the role at least. The only thing that could make the situation worse is him struggling but also extremely disgruntled about losing his starting spot to Hendo. I'm really hoping he can turn things around in the next few weeks, but my logical side says it ain't happening.

[Hornet Mania]

Yeah, it's good he's accepting the role at least. The only thing that could make the situation worse is him struggling but also extremely disgruntled about losing his starting spot to Hendo. I'm really hoping he can turn things around in the next few weeks, but my logical side says it ain't happening.

[gipper08]

Found that quote from Lance to be kind of amusing. .... stop generating TOs and we'll be good.

Well he is third among 2 guards is assist to turnovers . What exactly does the "Lance turns it over crowd" think his assist to TO should be? Lance takes care of the ball well.(despite the stupid, cost of business, unnecessary, obligatory turnovers).


http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/playe ... ing-guards

[gipper08]

Found that quote from Lance to be kind of amusing. .... stop generating TOs and we'll be good.

Well he is third among 2 guards is assist to turnovers . What exactly does the "Lance turns it over crowd" think his assist to TO should be? Lance takes care of the ball well.(despite the stupid, cost of business, unnecessary, obligatory turnovers).


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unnecessary and obligatory? lol.That makes sense,lol. what I mean is they are unnecessary for normal players but they are obligatory for Lance Stephenson and his "creative" "process". lol

[yosemiteben]

Found that quote from Lance to be kind of amusing. .... stop generating TOs and we'll be good.

Well he is third among 2 guards is assist to turnovers . What exactly does the "Lance turns it over crowd" think his assist to TO should be? Lance takes care of the ball well.(despite the stupid, cost of business, unnecessary, obligatory turnovers).


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Fair question. Look at the games since he came back from his injury when he's posted great assist numbers and usually it's non-competitive games:

13 assists to 3 TOs in a blowout against DEN
9 assists to 1 TO in a blowout against CLE
9 assists to 3 TOs in a blowout against MIN

Now look at our closer games:

SAS (first game back) - 1 TO, 2 assists
IND - 3 TOs, 2 assists
MIA - 4 TOs, 4 assists
NYK - 2 TOs, 4 assists
SAS - 4 TOs, 4 assists
WAS - 3 TOs, 2 assists

The negative impact of his TOs are exacerbated by two facts: (1) our team highly values limiting TOs and controlling the game, and (2) Lance is offering us no value with his shooting. If Lance wants to help us in close games against good teams, he has got to be able to make good decisions and play within the flow of the offense without turning the ball over.

[fatlever]

Lance does great in games where bad defense allows him to get into the lane and cause disruptions, such as that Denver game. He is a completely different player when teams take away the paint and force him to make decisions out near the 3pt line. A stalled Lance at the 3pt line is dangerous in a bad way. There is a good chance that he'll do one of several bad things:

1) attempt a lazy pass along the 3pt line - we saw this in the 3rd quarter vs Wiz. They were jumping the passing lanes, while also limiting penetration, the result was several bad turnovers leading to fast breaks
2) attempt a risky pass into the paint
3) ball gets stuck in his hands as he tries to iso his way out of a bad situation, often leading to turnovers and shot clock problems
4) he attempts a 3pter, where he is shooting 15%

Stuff like this is why Lance seems to look good in the 1st half, but when the game gets real and defenses take away the drives, Lance becomes a massive liability.

[gipper08]

Fair question. Look at the games since he came back from his injury when he's posted great assist numbers and usually it's non-competitive games:

13 assists to 3 TOs in a blowout against DEN
9 assists to 1 TO in a blowout against CLE
9 assists to 3 TOs in a blowout against MIN

Now look at our closer games:

SAS (first game back) - 1 TO, 2 assists
IND - 3 TOs, 2 assists
MIA - 4 TOs, 4 assists
NYK - 2 TOs, 4 assists
SAS - 4 TOs, 4 assists
WAS - 3 TOs, 2 assists

The negative impact of his TOs are exacerbated by two facts: (1) our team highly values limiting TOs and controlling the game, and (2) Lance is offering us no value with his shooting. If Lance wants to help us in close games against good teams, he has got to be able to make good decisions and play within the flow of the offense without turning the ball over.

The shooting is not going to turn around until he gets the freedom to find rhythm, like Kemba did. He and kemba were shooting about the same and Kemba was given the freedom to find his way. Lance has not.

Lance was elite last year at catch and shoot.Lance is really good at floaters and pull ups. All three have abandoned him this year.

I really don't know how to value this season at all.The playoffs are competitive and on on two great pacer teams in the playoffs, Lance takes care of the ball.
He was 10th in the playoffs among twos last year and with much more games played then many ahead of him(19 games).

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/playe ... ing-guards

In 38 playoffs games the last two years Lance averages 1.75 asst to TO. Which is not elite but rather really good.

Lance takes care of the ball. he simply has bad "looking" turnovers that makes you think that he is TO prone.

[gipper08]

I would add that you have a coach calling plays out EVERY time down the whole fourth quarter of the DENVER game that was a huge blowout.

Yeah, that is not basketball. I don't see how that would work with any good players much less a guy like lance. You have a control coach that calls every play even in 40 point blowouts yet you sign Stephenson? Why?


"In spot-up catch-and-shoot situations, Lance is converting at an adjusted field goal percentage of 59.8 percent with a points per possession clip of 1.16. That ranks him in the top 90 percent in the league and in front of the decent spot up shooting trio of Ray Allen, Matt Bonner, and Klay Thompson. If you just said to yourself ‘what the...?!’ after reading that, trust me, you’re not alone."
http://hoopshype.com/columns/david-nurs ... stephenson

[fatlever]

Lance takes care of the ball. he simply has bad "looking" turnovers that makes you think that he is TO prone.

I'm going to have to disagree. Lance has bad turnovers because that's exactly what they are. He is careless with passes, loose with his dribbles, he doesn't seem to be able the put context of a situation into his thought process when deciding whether or not to make a pass.

[catch20two]

ONe more point about Lance before I lay off...Lance IS an elite scorer.

BUt he is a feel scorer and rhythm shooter. When he is in the zone he wills it in.

IN Summer 2011 during the lockout guys were playing competitive ball to stay in shape at the INDY pro am.Guys flew in from all over the country.

Lance repeatedly scored at will on guys like Oladipo, Eric Gordon, George Hill, Alec Burks, Gordon hawyward,Chalmers, etc.

He dropped 50 one game all on Daquan Cook and scored every which way and treated him like a rag doll. The setting somewhat favored Lance, but the comp was elite and Lance was the best scorer there.

Tell me more about this ELITE scorer that Lance is. Lol

[gipper08]

ONe more point about Lance before I lay off...Lance IS an elite scorer.

BUt he is a feel scorer and rhythm shooter. When he is in the zone he wills it in.

IN Summer 2011 during the lockout guys were playing competitive ball to stay in shape at the INDY pro am.Guys flew in from all over the country.

Lance repeatedly scored at will on guys like Oladipo, Eric Gordon, George Hill, Alec Burks, Gordon hawyward,Chalmers, etc.

He dropped 50 one game all on Daquan Cook and scored every which way and treated him like a rag doll. The setting somewhat favored Lance, but the comp was elite and Lance was the best scorer there.

Tell me more about this ELITE scorer that Lance is. Lol

the most scoring potential in Hornet history(except Zos best year), is that good for you?