JV on pace to do what only 8 centers have done

[Clutch Carter]

Maybe one day Jonas will be able to guard the perimeter and the paint at the same time like Casey wants him to.

When Val was a rook: He'll get more minutes when he gains weight
Val Now: He'll get more minutes when he gets more agile

Raptors player development.

[UnderdogRaptors]

He will be better than Boogie next year imo.

[Snooch]

lolol first time Snooch posts in months and the moment he does he's getting mollywhopped by the entire board.

they hate us cause they aint us

[Back2back2back]

and he's only 22!

This kid is only going to get better.

[Kabookalu]

lolol first time Snooch posts in months and the moment he does he's getting mollywhopped by the entire board.

they hate us cause they aint us

Umm yeah that's it

[vini_vidi_vici]

I just want to come and say PER is garbage. Carry on.

[Thespianoid]

While it's nice to remind ourselves that JV is very offensively capable (and probably deserves a little more involvement in a variety of ways outside of post isolations)..

his defense is what he needs to continue to improve to be able to stay on the court. CONSISTENCY in effort/focus. He's been doing a better job of it the last few games, which is encouraging to see going forward. Let's hope it continues to trend upward.

What could pay massive dividends on that end of the floor is if he gets his mobility back. That's the biggest issue I see that's causing defensive problems. Again, positive signs of this the past few games, but still work to be done.

[plainballing]

I think that Jonas really has to prove himself next year and the year after...that's when big men are expected to put on some big numbers.

[Rapcity_11]

Jonas averaging 13 and 9. He is only playing 27 mpg, and this is why I can't stand Casey. If Jonas plays 8-10 more minutes a game he would average 16 and 10 easily.

Are you a JV fan first, or a Raptors fan first?

[Darknemo2000]

I love how it turns in to a Casey hate thread...Not even a huge Casey fan but it's so predictable what every JV thread is going to turn in to.

I think it would be somewhat smaller if Casey would treat all his players equally, but he doesnt, thus makes it look like he has an agenda against certain players, which in turn makes some fans have agenda with Casey as well.

his defense is what he needs to continue to improve to be able to stay on the court. CONSISTENCY in effort/focus. He's been doing a better job of it the last few games, which is encouraging to see going forward. Let's hope it continues to trend upward.

What could pay massive dividends on that end of the floor is if he gets his mobility back. That's the biggest issue I see that's causing defensive problems. Again, positive signs of this the past few games, but still work to be done.

His defense was good for the last 5-6 games though. I'd say better than Amir's.

[Kabookalu]

I love how it turns in to a Casey hate thread...Not even a huge Casey fan but it's so predictable what every JV thread is going to turn in to.

I think it would be somewhat smaller if Casey would treat all his players equally, but he doesnt, thus makes it look like he has an agenda against certain players, which in turn makes some fans have agenda with Casey as well.

Like what.

[Rapcity_11]

Guys, I love JV as much as any of you but we've got to stop with the circlej***.

We're much worse with him on the floor. Amir-PatPat frontcourt has worked wonders for us so far. If anybody is curious, you can look up for the numbers. It's not to say that JV is a bad player. But we definitely value rotating and helping each other on defense and JV clearly fails to provide that. And we need spacing from bigs for our iso-heavy offensive system to work, so having JV doesn't help on that end either. It explains why we're struggling with JV on the floor without implying that he's a bad player. I love him, but he has some obvious flaws at this stage of his career.

Bingo. The PP/Amir duo crushes teams.

+11.6 net rating this year
+13.6 net rating last year

And that's with a lot of those minutes coming in the 4th Q, you would think.

[RaptorsFan100]

ughh oh please...

[Clementine9]

Guys, I love JV as much as any of you but we've got to stop with the circlej***.

We're much worse with him on the floor. Amir-PatPat frontcourt has worked wonders for us so far. If anybody is curious, you can look up for the numbers. It's not to say that JV is a bad player. But we definitely value rotating and helping each other on defense and JV clearly fails to provide that. And we need spacing from bigs for our iso-heavy offensive system to work, so having JV doesn't help on that end either. It explains why we're struggling with JV on the floor without implying that he's a bad player. I love him, but he has some obvious flaws at this stage of his career.

Bingo. The PP/Amir duo crushes teams.

+11.6 net rating this year
+13.6 net rating last year

And that's with a lot of those minutes coming in the 4th Q, you would think.

All right enjoy that long term dominance while the rest of us continue to pick a player over the team.

[Hero]

Guys, I love JV as much as any of you but we've got to stop with the circlej***.

We're much worse with him on the floor. Amir-PatPat frontcourt has worked wonders for us so far. If anybody is curious, you can look up for the numbers. It's not to say that JV is a bad player. But we definitely value rotating and helping each other on defense and JV clearly fails to provide that. And we need spacing from bigs for our iso-heavy offensive system to work, so having JV doesn't help on that end either. It explains why we're struggling with JV on the floor without implying that he's a bad player. I love him, but he has some obvious flaws at this stage of his career.

Bingo. The PP/Amir duo crushes teams.

+11.6 net rating this year
+13.6 net rating last year

And that's with a lot of those minutes coming in the 4th Q, you would think.

JV's defense leaves a lot to be desired.

While his PER is solid for his age, it doesn't take into account defense or context.

Looking at Defensive plus minus, JV is in really bad company. The same goes for most metrics which take into account defense. As much as you may want to get excited over his PER being only accomplished by 8 players, the same could be said about his poor defense. JV will always look good with PER or TS but basketball is a 2 way sport.

[Rapcity_11]

Guys, I love JV as much as any of you but we've got to stop with the circlej***.

We're much worse with him on the floor. Amir-PatPat frontcourt has worked wonders for us so far. If anybody is curious, you can look up for the numbers. It's not to say that JV is a bad player. But we definitely value rotating and helping each other on defense and JV clearly fails to provide that. And we need spacing from bigs for our iso-heavy offensive system to work, so having JV doesn't help on that end either. It explains why we're struggling with JV on the floor without implying that he's a bad player. I love him, but he has some obvious flaws at this stage of his career.

Bingo. The PP/Amir duo crushes teams.

+11.6 net rating this year
+13.6 net rating last year

And that's with a lot of those minutes coming in the 4th Q, you would think.

All right enjoy that long term dominance while the rest of us continue to pick a player over the team.

That's the only explanation for a **** ton of the posts around here.

[agentzero2010]

meaningless stats.

[JV4MVP]

I just want to come and say PER is garbage. Carry on.

Really? I'm looking at the top 50 players by PER and the vast majority of them belong to the upper tier. Just looking at the top-10 and you have MVP candidates outside of 2 anomalies.

PER does a remarkably good job of valuing a players impact in 1 figure, especially with a sufficient sample of minutes / games. Sure it has some shortcoming like biasing towards scorers and not including specialists but it still is the best single indicator that I've seen.

[Da1RealRapsFan]

JV continually improves at a pace that would put him in legendary company

RealGM poster: "FIRE CASEY WE'RE NOT USING HIM PROPEROLY THEYRE RUINING HIS DEVELOPMENT!! HES TOO BIG AND MUSCLY MAKE HIM SKInnY AGAIN!!!!!"

[Clementine9]

Guys, I love JV as much as any of you but we've got to stop with the circlej***.

We're much worse with him on the floor. Amir-PatPat frontcourt has worked wonders for us so far. If anybody is curious, you can look up for the numbers. It's not to say that JV is a bad player. But we definitely value rotating and helping each other on defense and JV clearly fails to provide that. And we need spacing from bigs for our iso-heavy offensive system to work, so having JV doesn't help on that end either. It explains why we're struggling with JV on the floor without implying that he's a bad player. I love him, but he has some obvious flaws at this stage of his career.

Bingo. The PP/Amir duo crushes teams.

+11.6 net rating this year
+13.6 net rating last year

And that's with a lot of those minutes coming in the 4th Q, you would think.

JV's defense leaves a lot to be desired.

While his PER is solid for his age, it doesn't take into account defense or context.

Looking at Defensive plus minus, JV is in really bad company. The same goes for most metrics which take into account defense. As much as you may want to get excited over his PER being only accomplished by 8 players, the same could be said about his poor defense. JV will always look good with PER or TS but basketball is a 2 way sport.

Hero, I have to ask. What is your point here? Is your point that he's a hopeless case? I think the more important question any "fan" should be asking is why that stat has dropped every season since his rookie year. Like you conveniently leave that out. He came into the league a better defender than now.

I think it's as simple as this: they wanted him to put on weight so he could hold his ground against bigger players, and that wasn't managed properly. The bad news: defensive struggles now. The good news: a completely fixable problem.