Trade Targets (postcript on yesterday-other teams)

breakchains · Post #3101 » by **breakchains** » Fri Jan 30, 2015 3:58 pm

Giannis Parker wrote:I still want MCW, and I think we could get him for Dudley and the Clippers 2017 1st. MCW is very similar to Livingston in terms of style of play but he has a lot of room to grow, I feel MCW could be a very integral piece and fits very well in Kidd's system, and if we can get him that cheap, why not honestly?

No we couldn't. And no thanks to MCW at all. If my PG can't shoot worth a lick, he has to at least be a super-elite passer, which MCW is not. Just no all around.

Giannis Parker · Post #3102 » by **Giannis Parker** » Fri Jan 30, 2015 4:09 pm

breakchains wrote:
Giannis Parker wrote:I still want MCW, and I think we could get him for Dudley and the Clippers 2017 1st. MCW is very similar to Livingston in terms of style of play but he has a lot of room to grow, I feel MCW could be a very integral piece and fits very well in Kidd's system, and if we can get him that cheap, why not honestly?

No we couldn't. And no thanks to MCW at all. If my PG can't shoot worth a lick, he has to at least be a super-elite passer, which MCW is not. Just no all around.

You can take the best passer in the league, throw him on the 76ers, and watch his production tumble, do not even try to deny that either.

breakchains · Post #3103 » by **breakchains** » Fri Jan 30, 2015 4:15 pm

Giannis Parker wrote:
breakchains wrote:
Giannis Parker wrote:I still want MCW, and I think we could get him for Dudley and the Clippers 2017 1st. MCW is very similar to Livingston in terms of style of play but he has a lot of room to grow, I feel MCW could be a very integral piece and fits very well in Kidd's system, and if we can get him that cheap, why not honestly?

No we couldn't. And no thanks to MCW at all. If my PG can't shoot worth a lick, he has to at least be a super-elite passer, which MCW is not. Just no all around.

You can take the best passer in the league, throw him on the 76ers, and watch his production tumble, do not even try to deny that either.

Non sequitur.

VooDoo7 · Post #3104 » by **VooDoo7** » Fri Jan 30, 2015 4:17 pm

Giannis Parker wrote:I still want MCW, and I think we could get him for Dudley and the Clippers 2017 1st. MCW is very similar to Livingston in terms of style of play but he has a lot of room to grow, I feel MCW could be a very integral piece and fits very well in Kidd's system, and if we can get him that cheap, why not honestly?

MCW is garbage. No way would I give up that package for him.

LUKE23 · Post #3105 » by **LUKE23** » Fri Jan 30, 2015 4:18 pm

Yeah, why in the world do people like MCW? He's awful.

Giannis Parker · Post #3106 » by **Giannis Parker** » Fri Jan 30, 2015 4:22 pm

LUKE23 wrote:Yeah, why in the world do people like MCW? He's awful.

Just watch when he is off the toxic Philly squad.

TroyD92 · Post #3107 » by **TroyD92** » Fri Jan 30, 2015 4:28 pm

Giannis Parker wrote:
LUKE23 wrote:Yeah, why in the world do people like MCW? He's awful.

Just watch when he is off the toxic Philly squad.

Just like the rest of that team he won't be in the league in 5 years. So we'll have a short window.

skones · Post #3108 » by **skones** » Fri Jan 30, 2015 4:37 pm

If all it takes to nab MCW is Dudley and a 2017 pick in the 20s, I think you have to make that deal, and I'm not high on MCW.

mattg · Post #3109 » by **mattg** » Fri Jan 30, 2015 4:40 pm

Giannis Parker wrote:
LUKE23 wrote:Yeah, why in the world do people like MCW? He's awful.

Just watch when he is off the toxic Philly squad.

We have. Some of us have been saying MCW is this type of player for years. Bad shooting, sloppy handles, turnovers, that's just MCW baby.

He's like a crappier version of current crappy rondo

Giannis Parker · Post #3110 » by **Giannis Parker** » Fri Jan 30, 2015 4:46 pm

mattg wrote:
Giannis Parker wrote:
LUKE23 wrote:Yeah, why in the world do people like MCW? He's awful.

Just watch when he is off the toxic Philly squad.

We have. Some of us have been saying MCW is this type of player for years. Bad shooting, sloppy handles, turnovers, that's just MCW baby.

He's like a crappier version of current crappy rondo

This is his 2nd season lmfao......

LUKE23 · Post #3111 » by **LUKE23** » Fri Jan 30, 2015 5:11 pm

I've seen enough to him to say he won't be much different regardless of where he plays. I doubt it's going to make him a better shooter or ball handler. He's just not good. Potential defensive specialist on the right team is about it.

VooDoo7 · Post #3112 » by **VooDoo7** » Fri Jan 30, 2015 5:18 pm

Giannis Parker wrote:
mattg wrote:
Giannis Parker wrote:
Just watch when he is off the toxic Philly squad.

We have. Some of us have been saying MCW is this type of player for years. Bad shooting, sloppy handles, turnovers, that's just MCW baby.

He's like a crappier version of current crappy rondo

This is his 2nd season lmfao......

You use that excuse, yet you say this in another thread:

Giannis Parker wrote:Why do people just assume we have no idea how good Jabari and Giannis are? That just not make sense to me, I think the team knows exactly what they are, and many advanced metrics can prove it.

Giannis Parker · Post #3113 » by **Giannis Parker** » Fri Jan 30, 2015 5:20 pm

LUKE23 wrote:I've seen enough to him to say he won't be much different regardless of where he plays. I doubt it's going to make him a better shooter or ball handler. He's just not good. Potential defensive specialist on the right team is about it.

So you do not think 15 and 7 on a **** team would translate well on the Bucks in a good system, and he is only 23?

I guess everyone has their own opinion, but when you can get young talent like MCW for as cheap as he is rumored to be available for, you go and grab them.

Ya'll act like 15 and 7 with a bunch of D-League talent around you is meaningless. I think it is far more likely he puts up 14-9 with our team than he is out of the league in 5 years like some of you seem to think :lol:

M-C-G · Post #3114 » by **M-C-G** » Fri Jan 30, 2015 5:21 pm

If the cost was cheap, I'd be all for picking up MCW. He has great size, defensive potential, and in college was a pretty good distributor as I recall. He may very well be the most affordable "big PG" we could bring in, and would be interested if Kidd could get a lot more out of him, as he seems to be able to do with a lot of these guys. If he was not on a rookie deal, I probably wouldn't even consider it, but Marshall found a role and was effective, Kidd could do the same for MCW.

Giannis Parker · Post #3115 » by **Giannis Parker** » Fri Jan 30, 2015 5:22 pm

VooDoo7 wrote:
Giannis Parker wrote:
mattg wrote:We have. Some of us have been saying MCW is this type of player for years. Bad shooting, sloppy handles, turnovers, that's just MCW baby.

He's like a crappier version of current crappy rondo

This is his 2nd season lmfao......

You use that excuse, yet you say this in another thread:

Giannis Parker wrote:Why do people just assume we have no idea how good Jabari and Giannis are? That just not make sense to me, I think the team knows exactly what they are, and many advanced metrics can prove it.

What is your point?

MCW is 23 and putting up 15 and 7 on an epically terrible team.

Sure, MCW is no star, but if he is your 4th best starter, you have something going for you.

LUKE23 · Post #3116 » by **LUKE23** » Fri Jan 30, 2015 5:22 pm

Umm, no, I don't care about raw stats not factoring in efficiency or pace.

M-C-G · Post #3117 » by **M-C-G** » Fri Jan 30, 2015 5:22 pm

Giannis Parker wrote:
I guess everyone has their own opinion, but when you can get young talent like MCW for as cheap as he is rumored to be available for, you go and grab them.

What is he rumored to be available for btw?

Giannis Parker · Post #3118 » by **Giannis Parker** » Fri Jan 30, 2015 5:30 pm

M-C-G wrote:
Giannis Parker wrote:
I guess everyone has their own opinion, but when you can get young talent like MCW for as cheap as he is rumored to be available for, you go and grab them.

What is he rumored to be available for btw?

A mid to late 1st, which means we could honestly say that we traded Delfino, Radulijca, and a future 2nd (Clippers) for Dudley and MCW.

I think that is asset management 101 at its peak.

I suggested to throw in JoB and Dudley just to clear a roster spot for another move where we can maybe absorb a worthy talent in the paint.

BMatt07 · Post #3119 » by **BMatt07** » Fri Jan 30, 2015 5:41 pm

Giannis Parker wrote:I still want MCW, and I think we could get him for Dudley and the Clippers 2017 1st. MCW is very similar to Livingston in terms of style of play but he has a lot of room to grow, I feel MCW could be a very integral piece and fits very well in Kidd's system, and if we can get him that cheap, why not honestly?

Lol.. have you seen MCW try and shoot a basketball?

I want no part of that project.

Giannis Parker · Post #3120 » by **Giannis Parker** » Fri Jan 30, 2015 5:48 pm

BMatt07 wrote:
Giannis Parker wrote:I still want MCW, and I think we could get him for Dudley and the Clippers 2017 1st. MCW is very similar to Livingston in terms of style of play but he has a lot of room to grow, I feel MCW could be a very integral piece and fits very well in Kidd's system, and if we can get him that cheap, why not honestly?

Lol.. have you seen MCW try and shoot a basketball?

I want no part of that project.

Why does he have to be a shooter? He can penetrate, and make good passes, and if you absolutely need it, shooting is something most players continue to improve on as they age.

MCW is post injury Livingston on steroids. A solid pass first PG who can get into the defense with little effort, and has a massive height advantage for his position, which would work great in Kidd's system.

Most teams that sustain offensive success always have one shooter and one playmaker on the court. Knight is actually shooting top 10 in the league on catch and shoot 3pt shots this year, as is Middleton. Knight, Giannis, and Jabari are good play makers. What MCW brings to the table are things none of our current pieces of the core can do in terms of size mismatch at the guard slot in the paint, premiere passing ability (Marshall is out, but I do think he can do that as well, and would be an ideal 20mpg backup for us behind MCW).

If you guys are honestly going to try and tell me that MCW is terrible because he cannot shoot, and you are going to ignore all the other variables, just does not seem like a strong argument on your parts.