Rose and FTA's

[Wharton Alum 08]

Refs are trying to help bull's offense by no calling fouls on Rose until he acknowledges that he needs to pass the **** ball. Every time that he drives to the basket it force the opponent to make adjustments and rotate to help Rose's man and they let Pau and Noah alone for an easy bucket in the paint...But Rose is unable to see this, so they pack even more the paint.
Bulls played clearly better when the offense remains on Butler and Pau.

Do you believe that is a successful championship recipe? Do you think we have a better chance to win it all with a passive Rose and an offense focused on Butler and Pau?

He's trolling.

[Payt10]

Rose said it when he came into the league; Growing up he had always practiced crazy shots in the paint to avoid getting hit. His style isn't conducive to drawing fouls unless he gets hammered.

Somebody mentioned it above, he doesn't flop. As sad as it is to say, you have to sell contact all the time to get to the line 7-8 times a game. Rose doesn't do that.

He also, for whatever reason, doesn't seem to get the benefit of the whistle.. like ever. He's been hacked so many times the past couple of games but never seems to get those calls. It's frustrating.

The added volume on his 3pt attempts doesn't help either. He's not living in the paint like he did early in his career.

[jptremblay]

Refs are trying to help bull's offense by no calling fouls on Rose until he acknowledges that he needs to pass the **** ball. Every time that he drives to the basket it force the opponent to make adjustments and rotate to help Rose's man and they let Pau and Noah alone for an easy bucket in the paint...But Rose is unable to see this, so they pack even more the paint.
Bulls played clearly better when the offense remains on Butler and Pau.

Do you believe that is a successful championship recipe? Do you think we have a better chance to win it all with a passive Rose and an offense focused on Butler and Pau?

He's trolling.

Maybe i'm not a Bulls fan, but i'm not trolling, if you think that you will win anything with Rose playing like this, good luck to you.
To the first question, the best championship recipe is to play this game with high IQ (Spurs, Atlanta, Celtics (2008), Lakers (2009,2010)...) defintely not what Rose is doing right now. Even Kobe, who is probably the most selfish player in the NBA, knew to pass the ball to Pau and his teammates when he got doubled in the playoff, but Derrick prefers to make an awful shoot than pass the ball for an easy layup or dunk.
Bulls need a healthy Rose playing aggressively to make some run in the playoffs, not a Rose playing like an idiot. To play agressive doesn´t mean to take 30 shots per game, just attack the paint and find your teammates when you aren´t in a good situation, just like Butler and Pau did every time when they got doubled.

[pb-ceo]

the refs know he tries to avoid contact. especially this year when it's a stated strategy.

[ElPolloLoco]

Its like the refs don't like rose or something i swear. It's so frustrating and it seems players know refs won't call fouls and foul him even harder but refs ignore when it obvious as hell. It also doesn't help when he won't flop and plays the game like it should when the biggest floppers in the game gets 10+ fts in a game. Its a shame.

[Murk]

Its like the refs don't like rose or something i swear. It's so frustrating and it seems players know refs won't call fouls and foul him even harder but refs ignore when it obvious as hell. It also doesn't help when he won't flop and plays the game like it should when the biggest floppers in the game gets 10+ fts in a game. Its a shame.

I feel like this season in the NBA is about "everyone BUT Rose."

I still find it kind of crazy that the fans didn't vote him as a starter (I knew he wouldn't make it as a reserve). It isn't like his popularity took much of a hit.

But besides that, he's only really discussed in the context of needing to get out there and play and stop being injured.

He's probably going to need to win the title this year and be Finals MVP to get that respect back. It's like when analysts HAVE to talk about him, when they have no choice...then they'll mention how good he once was, and how good he can still be. But if we're not playing a nationally televised game, they won't talk about how he's playing (even if it's good), unless it's something about whether he shouldn't be speaking up in the media about the team needing to play better. Or the "graduation and meetings," etc.

In short, he's not getting much respect at all this year from anyone but the players and opposing coaches (when gameplanning for him).

[bullsRlife]

Yes, there's sometimes when he tries and avoid contact, but this year I've seen way too many times where he doesn't get the same basic foul calls that Irving, Wall, Lillard, CP3, Lowry, and every other PG gets. They treat Derrick like the Shaq of PGs.

[RomeDaDome]

Remember he said, "I've got to be the only superstar to not get calls?"

He's not a superstar anymore so he won't be getting any calls.

[MAQ]

Yes, there's sometimes when he tries and avoid contact, but this year I've seen way too many times where he doesn't get the same basic foul calls that Irving, Wall, Lillard, CP3, Lowry, and every other PG gets. They treat Derrick like the Shaq of PGs.

Yeah, in last night's game alone, there were 3 drives that Rose had that didn't get called as fouls, but extremely similar contact on drives from Butler and Lin resulted in fouls. I don't get it man...I really don't.

[PMONSTER]

I want Rose to be aggressive going to the hoop but not if he's not getting calls. Yes he got to the line last night but the ratio of what should have been called to what was actually called was discouraging. KD takes 14 FIts at least vs the Suns.

[HomoSapien]

I don't buy the theory that refs hate Rose. Sure, there could be a few refs that have a bias against him, but for him to have such a low average would mean there's a league wide conspiracy. I'm with Musiq. He contorts his body in a way to avoid contact.

[NecessaryEvil]

Forget all the body contorting for a second..

What about the fact that he still get slapped all over the arms in the midst of those layups. Most of it is blatant contact. They are swallowing the whistle for whatever reason. It's pretty obvious.

[Mk0]

He needs to start snapping his head back. Harden and Jimmy do it and it leads to an extra 4 FTAs a game

[PMONSTER]

He needs to start snapping his head back. Harden and Jimmy do it and it leads to an extra 4 FTAs a game

Sounds silly...... but you are correct

[Mk0]

He needs to start snapping his head back. Harden and Jimmy do it and it leads to an extra 4 FTAs a game

Sounds silly...... but you are correct

I was at the Lakers game and Jimmy got almost all of his whistles because he jerks his head back on his drives. He got one late whistle
but other than that the head snap lead directly to a call. Literally the second he cocked his head back they blew the whistle. Harden has mastered the move, but Jimmy has done a damn fine job adding it to his toolkit.

Hell he had 18 FTAs in the game. That head snap kept us alive all night until we stopped giving him the ball in the 4th/OT(s).

[Mobby]

It could also be that he got REALLY GOOD at avoiding contact. Some of his finishing moves look dramatically different than 2011 and 2012.

Then there's also the refs still getting used to the blinding blur that is Derrick.

Give it some time...FO will work the leagues office through backdoor channels, send in videos and lodge formal complaints. Boom...FTA's back to where they justifiably should be.

I agree with this. He's looking acrobatic like never before out there. I actually think that on some of those plays, he's literally just splitting the defenders mid-air with his body control and not even getting touched, which I think he could stand to change a bit. But then again, I think he's also avoiding conflict to avoid more opportunities for injury. Possibly. It's a tough line to toe. Maybe Swanson has been coaching him on the effects of perpetual physical abuse by guys twice your size.

[Mobby]

In short, he's not getting much respect at all this year from anyone but the players and opposing coaches (when gameplanning for him).

Truth. He gets...