Shawn Long and Jamychal Green

[Zordor]

So clearly the Latter a free agent again, I think we should look to give him a 10 day contract, clearly Joeger doesnt really want to play Thompson, also I remember before the year looking at a guy named Shawn Long entering the draft, he was going to be a late 1rst round draft guy, but then recent mock drafts... he isnt even there? except his numbers have gone up this season! If anyone has information on it I would love to know, but before the season I was really hoping memphis would try to eye drafting him this next year. He is 6'9" plays Center/PF and also can play spot minutes at the 3 (probably more a PF in the NBA)

[dark-child]

That's going to be a tough call, as GENERALLY veteran teams will fill the holes in their armor with experienced guys and not borderline prospects as the learning curve is very low and may be only a matter of verbiage for the vet, while a prospect may still need to learn certain principles. It has been difficult for the Grizz to find minutes for their own draft picks who know the system or had a full training camp to learn.

[Vinsanity_GOAT]

There's a ton of those athletic 6'9-6'10 pf/c's out there, those guys you mentioned, khem birch, sean williams and varnado come to mind among plenty others. I'm sure there's a couple of gems hidden there but midseason isn't really the time to find them. During summer/training camp, sure.

They really messed up with whiteside --> could've traded kosta for a pf if they kept him. Also, kenyon would've been perfect but obviously milwaukee got him. He was really the only good veteran pf free agent left.

I guess the best option now is to try trading kosta for a pf (like henson, hansbrough, humphries,...) and sign an athletic 6'11+ center for spot minutes. Quite a few of those around in free agency and the d-league.

[jumivi]

If Carter goes down, i want to give a try at Outlaw.
Now, i dont touch the rest of the roster, just hope for a sign and trade next year with KK.

[Zordor]

If Carter goes down, i want to give a try at Outlaw.
Now, i dont touch the rest of the roster, just hope for a sign and trade next year with KK.

I never really liked Outlaw in all honesty, he had promise young, but fizzled out for me, and it looks like thats the deal with KK is he will probably re sign if memphis does well, and then if Marc resigns later on he will look for a sign and trade

[BarbaGrizz]

What about Earl Barron? Experienced vet who is shining in the D-League

[jumivi]

There's a ton of those athletic 6'9-6'10 pf/c's out there, those guys you mentioned, khem birch, sean williams and varnado come to mind among plenty others. I'm sure there's a couple of gems hidden there but midseason isn't really the time to find them. During summer/training camp, sure.

They really messed up with whiteside --> could've traded kosta for a pf if they kept him. Also, kenyon would've been perfect but obviously milwaukee got him. He was really the only good veteran pf free agent left.

I guess the best option now is to try trading kosta for a pf (like henson, hansbrough, humphries,...) and sign an athletic 6'11+ center for spot minutes. Quite a few of those around in free agency and the d-league.

hey do u remeber this:
by Vinsanity_GOAT » Wed Oct 22, 2014 6:02 pm

jumivi wrote:
Ill sign Whiteside and then try to trade Koufos for Tristan Thompson.

Why in the world would you do that.
1 - Koufos is better.
2 - Are you dave joerger?
3 - Koufos (7'0) is a better post defender, has a decent touch around the rim and is a legit backup center. Thompson (6'8) is a tweener, kind of like jj hickson, an athletic rebounder with no offensive game to speak of.
4 - Sure, i'd sign whiteside as well, but he probably won't be able to replace what koufos brings. Unless you know something the rest of the world doesn't.

[Vinsanity_GOAT]

There's a ton of those athletic 6'9-6'10 pf/c's out there, those guys you mentioned, khem birch, sean williams and varnado come to mind among plenty others. I'm sure there's a couple of gems hidden there but midseason isn't really the time to find them. During summer/training camp, sure.

They really messed up with whiteside --> could've traded kosta for a pf if they kept him. Also, kenyon would've been perfect but obviously milwaukee got him. He was really the only good veteran pf free agent left.

I guess the best option now is to try trading kosta for a pf (like henson, hansbrough, humphries,...) and sign an athletic 6'11+ center for spot minutes. Quite a few of those around in free agency and the d-league.

hey do u remeber this:
by Vinsanity_GOAT » Wed Oct 22, 2014 6:02 pm

jumivi wrote:
Ill sign Whiteside and then try to trade Koufos for Tristan Thompson.

Why in the world would you do that.
1 - Koufos is better.
2 - Are you dave joerger?
3 - Koufos (7'0) is a better post defender, has a decent touch around the rim and is a legit backup center. Thompson (6'8) is a tweener, kind of like jj hickson, an athletic rebounder with no offensive game to speak of.
4 - Sure, i'd sign whiteside as well, but he probably won't be able to replace what koufos brings. Unless you know something the rest of the world doesn't.

I do and i'll freely admit that i had no idea at the time that whiteside would break out the way he has. Neither did you if you're being honest, remember what you wrote regarding whiteside --> "8-12 min a game (if need) couse like i said before, Thompson could take some min here". Maybe i interpreted that wrong but i read that as you expecting tristan to be the backup center. Obviously i saw the potential for hassan but he wouldn't be the first to go from beasting in those (edit: by "those" i mean nbdl) settings to becoming a foul/turnover machine in the nba. Still, as you can see, i wanted to sign him as well just in case he panned out when given the opportunity.

At the time i was adamant on keeping koufos mostly as insurance for a possible gasol injury during the season. Hassan was still an unknown and as i understood it you wanted to use tristan as the backup center which is the main thing i disagreed on. I can't imagine thompson being a starting center in the west in case of a gasol injury, koufos would fare a lot better imo. Obviously not as good as gasol, but at least he has size and is a good passer as far as centers go. Tristan is basically an athletic reggie evans, he spends most of his time getting in position for rebounds. Kosta's a better all around player, but like i said in the other topic it looks like we'll have to agree to disagree on that.

Of course now the situation is a bit different as opposed to october 22 which is why i'm more willing to trade kosta for a pf, specifically because of the following reasons:
- at this point there aren't any proven pf options left in free agency (that i can think of)
- we've already traded prince's contract which i wanted to trade for a backup pf (bass, thompson, landry, ...) at the time
- i had a small amount of hope that leuer would become a reliable backup, now that hope is pretty much gone

I believe that pretty much covers it.

[SD2042]

There's a ton of those athletic 6'9-6'10 pf/c's out there, those guys you mentioned, khem birch, sean williams and varnado come to mind among plenty others. I'm sure there's a couple of gems hidden there but midseason isn't really the time to find them. During summer/training camp, sure.

They really messed up with whiteside --> could've traded kosta for a pf if they kept him. Also, kenyon would've been perfect but obviously milwaukee got him. He was really the only good veteran pf free agent left.

I guess the best option now is to try trading kosta for a pf (like henson, hansbrough, humphries,...) and sign an athletic 6'11+ center for spot minutes. Quite a few of those around in free agency and the d-league.

hey do u remeber this:
by Vinsanity_GOAT » Wed Oct 22, 2014 6:02 pm

jumivi wrote:
Ill sign Whiteside and then try to trade Koufos for Tristan Thompson.

Why in the world would you do that.
1 - Koufos is better.
2 - Are you dave joerger?
3 - Koufos (7'0) is a better post defender, has a decent touch around the rim and is a legit backup center. Thompson (6'8) is a tweener, kind of like jj hickson, an athletic rebounder with no offensive game to speak of.
4 - Sure, i'd sign whiteside as well, but he probably won't be able to replace what koufos brings. Unless you know something the rest of the world doesn't.

I do and i'll freely admit that i had no idea at the time that whiteside would break out the way he has. Neither did you if you're being honest, remember what you wrote regarding whiteside --> "8-12 min a game (if need) couse like i said before, Thompson could take some min here". Maybe i interpreted that wrong but i read that as you expecting tristan to be the backup center. Obviously i saw the potential for hassan but he wouldn't be the first to go from beasting in those (edit: by "those" i mean nbdl) settings to becoming a foul/turnover machine in the nba. Still, as you can see, i wanted to sign him as well just in case he panned out when given the opportunity.

At the time i was adamant on keeping koufos mostly as insurance for a possible gasol injury during the season. Hassan was still an unknown and as i understood it you wanted to use tristan as the backup center which is the main thing i disagreed on. I can't imagine thompson being a starting center in the west in case of a gasol injury, koufos would fare a lot better imo. Obviously not as good as gasol, but at least he has size and is a good passer as far as centers go. Tristan is basically an athletic reggie evans, he spends most of his time getting in position for rebounds. Kosta's a better all around player, but like i said in the other topic it looks like we'll have to agree to disagree on that.

Of course now the situation is a bit different as opposed to october 22 which is why i'm more willing to trade kosta for a pf, specifically because of the following reasons:
- at this point there aren't any proven pf options left in free agency (that i can think of)
- we've already traded prince's contract which i wanted to trade for a backup pf (bass, thompson, landry, ...) at the time
- i had a small amount of hope that leuer would become a reliable backup, now that hope is pretty much gone

I believe that pretty much covers it.

Speaking of Bass, I wonder if he were to be traded to a bad team to where they agree on parting ways would the Grizz take a chance on signing him for the remaining the season?

[Vinsanity_GOAT]

Speaking of Bass, I wonder if he were to be traded to a bad team to where they agree on parting ways would the Grizz take a chance on signing him for the remaining the season?

That would be amazing, bass is a quality player and has been a positive on pretty much any roster he's been on. If he'd be willing to sign here, given that scenario, the grizzlies' gm would have to be a monumental moron not to do it.

[jman3134]

You cannot let another solid forward prospect slip through your hands again. JaMychal Green is incredibly talented and has all the potential to become a rotation big. I have always advocated for giving Whiteside a roster spot - Green is cut from a similar cloth (not the same upside, but he has a high ceiling).

[Vinsanity_GOAT]

Let's hope you guys are right about him.

[jumivi]

He could be the athletic big we are missing... hes 25 and i like to see him having some serius playing time.

[SD2042]

I haven't seen the guy play before. I'm going to look up youtube for some footage before making my decision. So hopefully he'll be able to get the opportunity to show what he can do for the Grizzlies during the next ten days.