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Towns or Okafor or Mudiay or Russel?

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Re: Towns or Okafor or Mudiay or Russel? 

Post#521 » by NoLayupRule » Sat Jan 31, 2015 6:06 pm

Why in gods name has this thread turned into a conversation about steph curry?

Booooo!
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TOP 4 PLease god ~~!!
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Post#523 » by DrCoach » Sun Feb 1, 2015 5:30 am

NoLayupRule wrote:Why in gods name has this thread turned into a conversation about steph curry?

Booooo!



Did I just read that Curry is already top 5 PG of all time?

WTF?
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Post#524 » by K_ick_God » Sun Feb 1, 2015 5:53 am

DrCoach wrote:
NoLayupRule wrote:Why in gods name has this thread turned into a conversation about steph curry?

Booooo!



Did I just read that Curry is already top 5 PG of all time?

WTF?


My mouth dropped but I didn't want to belabor the OT point.
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Post#525 » by Thugger HBC » Sun Feb 1, 2015 11:38 am

NoLayupRule wrote:Why in gods name has this thread turned into a conversation about steph curry?

Booooo!

Because Steph Curry is the player we missed out on because we didnt "tank harder"....although he was drafted 7th and nobody would have drafted him with a top 4 pick. So the debate makes no sense, none at all.
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Post#526 » by Thugger HBC » Sun Feb 1, 2015 12:00 pm

I will say one point in the quest of the thread derail....the top 5 all-time comments for guys who havent even sniffed a conference final even once need to stop. I'd love Steph Curry on the Knicks, but top 5 all-time?

That position has been way too deep for way too many years.
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Post#527 » by Marty McFly » Sun Feb 1, 2015 12:57 pm

Thugger HBC wrote:
NoLayupRule wrote:Why in gods name has this thread turned into a conversation about steph curry?

Booooo!

Because Steph Curry is the player we missed out on because we didnt "tank harder"....although he was drafted 7th and nobody would have drafted him with a top 4 pick. So the debate makes no sense, none at all.


To be fair, the knicks had 3 more wins than GS so its not an argument against tanking at all.

i'm hazy on the details, but i remember their being talk about him being a knick after his sophomore(he came out after his jr year) season, with comparisons to nash given that mda being the knicks coach.

come draft time, i'd bet most would have preferred curry to hill and it isn't just hindsight. i remember being annoyed at all the end of the season d lee/doodoo led stat padding, when it was highly likely that lee wasn't going to be with us next season. but that's on dant. you'd a thought he would have learned his lesson after not getting rose the lottery before, but nah.
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Post#528 » by Marty McFly » Sun Feb 1, 2015 1:04 pm

Rock Bottom wrote:TOP 4 PLease god ~~!!


worst record gets us into the top 4. top 5 and I'm happy fan. i don't expect Okafor, Russell, Mudiay, Johnson, and Towns to all end up stars, but i'm confident they all have the goods do so if they all have the drive. just a matter of luck for us after that.
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Post#529 » by Thugger HBC » Sun Feb 1, 2015 1:09 pm

Marty McFly wrote:
Thugger HBC wrote:
NoLayupRule wrote:Why in gods name has this thread turned into a conversation about steph curry?

Booooo!

Because Steph Curry is the player we missed out on because we didnt "tank harder"....although he was drafted 7th and nobody would have drafted him with a top 4 pick. So the debate makes no sense, none at all.


To be fair, the knicks had 3 more wins than GS so its not an argument against tanking at all.

i'm hazy on the details, but i remember their being talk about him being a knick after his sophomore(he came out after his jr year) season, with comparisons to nash given that mda being the knicks coach.

come draft time, i'd bet most would have preferred curry to hill and it isn't just hindsight. i remember being annoyed at all the end of the season d lee/doodoo led stat padding, when it was highly likely that lee wasn't going to be with us next season. but that's on dant. you'd a thought he would have learned his lesson after not getting rose the lottery before, but nah.

Understood, but none of this supports tanking. GS was awful but werent tanking, neither were the Knicks, they just werent good. Curry wasnt a top 5 pick, the argument makes no sense. The Knicks certainly wanted him though no doubt.

Even with D'antoni the simple fact that his best players in Z-Bo and Crawford were traded almost immediately and he still found ways to win some games might actually be a testament to him (i dont like him btw).

As far as Derrick Rose goes, D'antoni wasnt the coach that year.
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Post#530 » by Thorn » Sun Feb 1, 2015 1:24 pm

Hard to Pass on Okafor, but I can tell you right now I think D'Angelo Russell is the star of this draft.
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Post#531 » by Marty McFly » Sun Feb 1, 2015 1:25 pm

Thugger HBC wrote:
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Thugger HBC wrote:Because Steph Curry is the player we missed out on because we didnt "tank harder"....although he was drafted 7th and nobody would have drafted him with a top 4 pick. So the debate makes no sense, none at all.


To be fair, the knicks had 3 more wins than GS so its not an argument against tanking at all.

i'm hazy on the details, but i remember their being talk about him being a knick after his sophomore(he came out after his jr year) season, with comparisons to nash given that mda being the knicks coach.

come draft time, i'd bet most would have preferred curry to hill and it isn't just hindsight. i remember being annoyed at all the end of the season d lee/doodoo led stat padding, when it was highly likely that lee wasn't going to be with us next season. but that's on dant. you'd a thought he would have learned his lesson after not getting rose the lottery before, but nah.

Understood, but none of this supports tanking. GS was awful but werent tanking, neither were the Knicks, they just werent good. Curry wasnt a top 5 pick, the argument makes no sense. The Knicks certainly wanted him though no doubt.

Even with D'antoni the simple fact that his best players in Z-Bo and Crawford were traded almost immediately and he still found ways to win some games might actually be a testament to him (i dont like him btw).

As far as Derrick Rose goes, D'antoni wasnt the coach that year.
He was at the lottery.

you don't have to want to get a top 5 pick for it to constitute tanking. if the knicks lose 4 more games than gsw, curry's a knick and jordan hill is something else altogether.
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Post#532 » by Thugger HBC » Sun Feb 1, 2015 1:55 pm

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To be fair, the knicks had 3 more wins than GS so its not an argument against tanking at all.

i'm hazy on the details, but i remember their being talk about him being a knick after his sophomore(he came out after his jr year) season, with comparisons to nash given that mda being the knicks coach.

come draft time, i'd bet most would have preferred curry to hill and it isn't just hindsight. i remember being annoyed at all the end of the season d lee/doodoo led stat padding, when it was highly likely that lee wasn't going to be with us next season. but that's on dant. you'd a thought he would have learned his lesson after not getting rose the lottery before, but nah.

Understood, but none of this supports tanking. GS was awful but werent tanking, neither were the Knicks, they just werent good. Curry wasnt a top 5 pick, the argument makes no sense. The Knicks certainly wanted him though no doubt.

Even with D'antoni the simple fact that his best players in Z-Bo and Crawford were traded almost immediately and he still found ways to win some games might actually be a testament to him (i dont like him btw).

As far as Derrick Rose goes, D'antoni wasnt the coach that year.
He was at the lottery.

you don't have to want to get a top 5 pick for it to constitute tanking. if the knicks lose 4 more games than gsw, curry's a knick and jordan hill is something else altogether.

Curry wasnt viewed as a player worth tanking for though, and thats where I dont understand the debate. Tanking absolutely indicates one of the worst records which top 5 certainly would be in any year. Sure, the Knicks lose a few more..he's a Knick....maybe.
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Post#533 » by Jeff Van Gully » Sun Feb 1, 2015 2:29 pm

Marty McFly wrote:
Thugger HBC wrote:
NoLayupRule wrote:Why in gods name has this thread turned into a conversation about steph curry?

Booooo!

Because Steph Curry is the player we missed out on because we didnt "tank harder"....although he was drafted 7th and nobody would have drafted him with a top 4 pick. So the debate makes no sense, none at all.


To be fair, the knicks had 3 more wins than GS so its not an argument against tanking at all.

i'm hazy on the details, but i remember their being talk about him being a knick after his sophomore(he came out after his jr year) season, with comparisons to nash given that mda being the knicks coach.

come draft time, i'd bet most would have preferred curry to hill and it isn't just hindsight. i remember being annoyed at all the end of the season d lee/doodoo led stat padding, when it was highly likely that lee wasn't going to be with us next season. but that's on dant. you'd a thought he would have learned his lesson after not getting rose the lottery before, but nah.


he desperately wanted to be a knick. and i desperately wanted to draft him.

i wonder if we would have traded him in the 2010 2-max cap clear though. i didn't shed any tears for jordan hill. but the discussioun of trading steph might have been a hot one if he were able to come in and be as good as he's been in oakland.
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Post#534 » by E-Balla » Sun Feb 1, 2015 3:29 pm

Thugger HBC wrote:I will say one point in the quest of the thread derail....the top 5 all-time comments for guys who havent even sniffed a conference final even once need to stop. I'd love Steph Curry on the Knicks, but top 5 all-time?

That position has been way too deep for way too many years.

Why do you have to make the CF to be one of the 5 best players individually at your position. Tracy McGrady never passed the first round and he's usually seen as a top 5 SG ever peak for peak (under Kobe, MJ, Wade, and West). Stephen Curry is already the best scoring PG ever or close to it along with Oscar (I don't want to have to debate this point - he is 3rd all time in 3 point percentage, is 60% towards securing the record for highest 2 point % for any guard ever over 20 ppg, and 3rd al time in freethrow percentage). He's also 60% towards being one of 5 PGs to win MVP. I can understand wanting to wait until the season's end before saying this but it's the halfway point and he's really been consistent all year.
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Post#535 » by Thugger HBC » Sun Feb 1, 2015 3:47 pm

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Thugger HBC wrote:I will say one point in the quest of the thread derail....the top 5 all-time comments for guys who havent even sniffed a conference final even once need to stop. I'd love Steph Curry on the Knicks, but top 5 all-time?

That position has been way too deep for way too many years.

Why do you have to make the CF to be one of the 5 best players individually at your position. Tracy McGrady never passed the first round and he's usually seen as a top 5 SG ever peak for peak (under Kobe, MJ, Wade, and West). Stephen Curry is already the best scoring PG ever or close to it along with Oscar (I don't want to have to debate this point - he is 3rd all time in 3 point percentage, is 60% towards securing the record for highest 2 point % for any guard ever over 20 ppg, and 3rd al time in freethrow percentage). He's also 60% towards being one of 5 PGs to win MVP. I can understand wanting to wait until the season's end before saying this but it's the halfway point and he's really been consistent all year.

I've seen very few rank T-Mac top 5 as a sg. Maybe if he wernt injured so much, but that would open alot of others as well.

The overall consensus would be MJ Kobe Gervin Wade Iverson with my own fan biased choice of Drexler.

There was a brief moment where he was debated as being the best in the league, but since he's never even been in the top 3 of MVP races....that debate dies.

Curry isnt top 5 all-time at this point....too soon to go there with this.
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Thugger HBC wrote:
E-Balla wrote:
Thugger HBC wrote:I will say one point in the quest of the thread derail....the top 5 all-time comments for guys who havent even sniffed a conference final even once need to stop. I'd love Steph Curry on the Knicks, but top 5 all-time?

That position has been way too deep for way too many years.

Why do you have to make the CF to be one of the 5 best players individually at your position. Tracy McGrady never passed the first round and he's usually seen as a top 5 SG ever peak for peak (under Kobe, MJ, Wade, and West). Stephen Curry is already the best scoring PG ever or close to it along with Oscar (I don't want to have to debate this point - he is 3rd all time in 3 point percentage, is 60% towards securing the record for highest 2 point % for any guard ever over 20 ppg, and 3rd al time in freethrow percentage). He's also 60% towards being one of 5 PGs to win MVP. I can understand wanting to wait until the season's end before saying this but it's the halfway point and he's really been consistent all year.

I've seen very few rank T-Mac top 5 as a sg. Maybe if he wernt injured so much, but that would open alot of others as well.

The overall consensus would be MJ Kobe Gervin Wade Iverson with my own fan biased choice of Drexler.

There was a brief moment where he was debated as being the best in the league, but since he's never even been in the top 3 of MVP races....that debate dies.

Curry isnt top 5 all-time at this point....too soon to go there with this.

You know I'm not saying he's had a top 5 career at his position. I'm saying he's a top 5 player. If you could take 5 PGs at their peak Stephen Curry should be one of the 5 selected or pretty close. Outside of Magic, Oscar, and Nash he's there with anyone else including Penny, CP3, and Isiah.
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Post#537 » by Rock Bottom » Sun Feb 1, 2015 4:07 pm

Marty McFly wrote:
Rock Bottom wrote:TOP 4 PLease god ~~!!


worst record gets us into the top 4. top 5 and I'm happy fan. i don't expect Okafor, Russell, Mudiay, Johnson, and Towns to all end up stars, but i'm confident they all have the goods do so if they all have the drive. just a matter of luck for us after that.


thats why I said TOP 4 please !! (but top 4 is my dream for this team at this current time just my own no not top 5 **** that I am sick of that **** we gotta do this **** lets **** go)

if you know what I mean..

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E-Balla wrote:
Thugger HBC wrote:
E-Balla wrote:Why do you have to make the CF to be one of the 5 best players individually at your position. Tracy McGrady never passed the first round and he's usually seen as a top 5 SG ever peak for peak (under Kobe, MJ, Wade, and West). Stephen Curry is already the best scoring PG ever or close to it along with Oscar (I don't want to have to debate this point - he is 3rd all time in 3 point percentage, is 60% towards securing the record for highest 2 point % for any guard ever over 20 ppg, and 3rd al time in freethrow percentage). He's also 60% towards being one of 5 PGs to win MVP. I can understand wanting to wait until the season's end before saying this but it's the halfway point and he's really been consistent all year.

I've seen very few rank T-Mac top 5 as a sg. Maybe if he wernt injured so much, but that would open alot of others as well.

The overall consensus would be MJ Kobe Gervin Wade Iverson with my own fan biased choice of Drexler.

There was a brief moment where he was debated as being the best in the league, but since he's never even been in the top 3 of MVP races....that debate dies.

Curry isnt top 5 all-time at this point....too soon to go there with this.

You know I'm not saying he's had a top 5 career at his position. I'm saying he's a top 5 player. If you could take 5 PGs at their peak Stephen Curry should be one of the 5 selected or pretty close. Outside of Magic, Oscar, and Nash he's there with anyone else including Penny, CP3, and Isiah.

My original comment was about a specific statement made in the thread. Curry is not a top 5 all time, thats what my comment was based on.

He's very good good, one of the best of today. No, he would not be my choice given players peaks, I'd likely choose at least 10 that I would want more if not 15. I dont go gaga over shooting like some.
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Post#539 » by Deeeez Knicks » Sun Feb 1, 2015 4:16 pm

Magic, Oscar, isiah, Stockton, Kidd, Clyde, even Gary Payton who was a defensive beast... There's no way Steph Curry can be considered at there level career wise at this point.
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Post#540 » by E-Balla » Sun Feb 1, 2015 4:24 pm

Thugger HBC wrote:
E-Balla wrote:
Thugger HBC wrote:I've seen very few rank T-Mac top 5 as a sg. Maybe if he wernt injured so much, but that would open alot of others as well.

The overall consensus would be MJ Kobe Gervin Wade Iverson with my own fan biased choice of Drexler.

There was a brief moment where he was debated as being the best in the league, but since he's never even been in the top 3 of MVP races....that debate dies.

Curry isnt top 5 all-time at this point....too soon to go there with this.

You know I'm not saying he's had a top 5 career at his position. I'm saying he's a top 5 player. If you could take 5 PGs at their peak Stephen Curry should be one of the 5 selected or pretty close. Outside of Magic, Oscar, and Nash he's there with anyone else including Penny, CP3, and Isiah.

My original comment was about a specific statement made in the thread. Curry is not a top 5 all time, thats what my comment was based on.

He's very good good, one of the best of today. No, he would not be my choice given players peaks, I'd likely choose at least 10 that I would want more if not 15. I dont go gaga over shooting like some.

15 PGs over him? Just curious but do you think Steve Nash is a top 10 player of the last decade (meaning from 01-10)?

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