Lopez for Reggie Jackson falls apart; Nets acquire Thad Young for KG (UPDATE: Page 58)

[Prokorov]

I tend to look at the holes we have, and try to weigh the greater of two glaring weaknesses.

I agree with you on Hickson's attributes, however in terms of contract, I think its a moot point for me considering Gallo's a larger expiring than Hickson's and both expire prior to the 2016 free for all...

I ask myself, is Hickson's upgrade as a backup/insurance PF more than what Gallo could potentially do for us at SF or a stretch 4. I know Gallo's injury has set him back a bit and its a legit cause for concern(what if he gets injured etc...) but that's not different than on Lopez IMO.

Gallo is still a good shooter at any place on the floor, brings another 3pt option, actually attacks the basket and draws some fouls, great size for a SF and mobile enough to be an effective stretch 4 on certain lineups.... defensively I don't see any help from him, rebounding ok, but defense nah...that's where Hollins would need to help.

I feel we are a bit crowded at PF/C where as i feel we are thin in terms of talent and skill at the perimeter positions. Our offense is JJ and Jack from the outside. AA does his job well, Karasev n Bojan are need integrated enough to impact the offense consistently. This is where I feel we need help so that's why I look at Gallo as somewhat of a chance to improve our offense all around. Plus give JJ some minutes to breathe and not carry so much burden at his spot is a plus if all works out.

i dont see how we are crowded at PF? all we have is KG who cant play everynight amd CJ who should probably be in the dleague

Ah but I like CJ, maybe that's why... We did lose Mirza so that does add a hole, Gallo could always play a stretch 4 role if we go small.

Even if you like CJ, we would have the 59th pick in the second round as our only PF on nights KG doesnt play. we need a PF moreso then any other position right now with Mirza going down.

Gallinari cant stay healthy and doesnt rebound. thats really a poor fit. we dont need a stretch 4, we need rebounding and we need some toughness isnide. hickson is a better fit imo.

[MGrand15]

Also, getting a first round pick would be ENORMOUS for us...

it would allow us to trade our first round pick this year (bottom 5 pick since it will be atlanta's) to pair with williams to try and dump him for shorter/expiring money.

Lopez for:
-mcgee, hickson, first

Deron, 1st rounder for:
Eric Gordon

Jack/Morris
Gordon/Bogs
Johnson/Anderson
KG/Hickson
Plumlee/McGee

we shed brook and derons money, 16-17 is completely clear, we have a better pick (the memphis pick will be higher then atlantas) and we would have added a SG and PF, our 2 biggest areas of need.

The pick is one of the picks they got from the Mozgov trade. Definitely not ENORMOUS. Supposed to be protected and either a very late 1st or eventually a 2nd rounder.

Also, why did you say it would clear salary? Unless I'm wrong

McGee makes 12 million next year.
Hickson 5+ million next year.
Lopez makes a little more than 16 million next year.

hickson expires, he is owed 5M this year and then its a team option.

it doesnt matter where the pick is. its not the pick, its the flexibility of being able to trade a pick in this years draft. that might enable us to move deron. deron + 1st for bad 2 year contracts is somewhat doable.

Haven't found any sources that say Hickson is a team option. Can you find a link or something? I'm pretty sure he signed a fully guaranteed 3 year/16.1 million dollar contract.

He's owed 5.6 mil next year.

[MGrand15]

Denver's deal was pretty bad. It adds salary for next year and gives us 2 boneheaded players. Hickson might be helpful short-term because our PF situation is THAT bad but both of them are real bad.

Billy King is a moron but I'm sure when OKC sees Lopez have big games - they wonder how much he would help coming off the bench and especially when KD is out. When Durant doesn't play - the team just can't score. They're athletic enough to cover for Brook's deficiencies on defense. He may be right that they give up more than they originally wanted to. My only concern is that they don't really seem to be the type to get desperate.

Do we really need them to be desperate? I don't see why It would be such a stretch to throw in Perry Jones or Mitch McGary if it means getting Lopez for Perkins.

No chance they throw in McGary.

When I say desperate, I mean, some sort of package that gets us Reggie Jackson + Lamb and/or Perry Jones.

[Zachbretton]

Prok I normally agree with you 99% of the time but I feel the Denver deal is in reality a **** show.

We trade for a constantly injured, stupid center (we already have one), we do get a PF who's pretty average and then a "first rounder" which is the Memphis or OKC... Which both don't have much value as Memphis becomes second rounders and OKC is pretty protected.

I still stand that we need to re engage in the OKC talks and maybe see if we can get Hornets back in...

Word is we're interested in getting Blatche. so if we flip Lopez for Lance and Thad, pick up Blatche (whose bird rights we have). We will almost all our holes and shed Lopez


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[Prokorov]

Denver's deal was pretty bad. It adds salary for next year and gives us 2 boneheaded players. Hickson might be helpful short-term because our PF situation is THAT bad but both of them are real bad.

Billy King is a moron but I'm sure when OKC sees Lopez have big games - they wonder how much he would help coming off the bench and especially when KD is out. When Durant doesn't play - the team just can't score. They're athletic enough to cover for Brook's deficiencies on defense. He may be right that they give up more than they originally wanted to. My only concern is that they don't really seem to be the type to get desperate.

Do we really need them to be desperate? I don't see why It would be such a stretch to throw in Perry Jones or Mitch McGary if it means getting Lopez for Perkins.

No chance they throw in McGary.

When I say desperate, I mean, some sort of package that gets us Reggie Jackson + Lamb and/or Perry Jones.

yeah, and i dont see how OKC is desperate. i think they take lopez if it cost them nothing (lamb and perkins) but i dont see them adding value for what would be a pretty big dice roll for them and taking on salary that would hurt any chance of retaining jackson and potentially have them in the tax.

OKC isnt BK or LA. the tax is a big deal for them

[Prokorov]

Prok I normally agree with you 99% of the time but I feel the Denver deal is in reality a **** show.

We trade for a constantly injured, stupid center (we already have one), we do get a PF who's pretty average and then a "first rounder" which is the Memphis or OKC... Which both don't have much value as Memphis becomes second rounders and OKC is pretty protected.

I still stand that we need to re engage in the OKC talks and maybe see if we can get Hornets back in...

Word is we're interested in getting Blatche. so if we flip Lopez for Lance and Thad, pick up Blatche (whose bird rights we have). We will almost all our holes and shed Lopez


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For me Mcgee and lopez is a wash right there. I think both might be better in different situations. if anything i think mcgee fits our players/coach better then lopez. any way you look at it, we are 3-14 this year and we have been awful with lopez in the lineup both this and last year. McGee really cant be worse, cause right now we are playing at a lottery team level.

Hickson is a really solid role player, at our current biggest position of need. CJ isnt a starter/20 mpg guy yet and KG cant go every night orplay 30 minutes. hickson is a great fit, a 2 way guy, and a rebounder. i love the fit with him here

The first for me is more about the flexibility then the pick. we could trade a first this year, which could really expand our options with joe and deron.

The thad thing is dead. they dont want perkins for him. LAnce King doesnt want to take on. IF we sign blatche I agree hickson no longer makes sense, so maybe we try and take a gaurd off denver instead.

OKC for perkins/lamb imo isnt really better then the denver deal and we get no pick(flexiility that comes with it)

The CHA deal king is deadset against.... and its the deal we all want. if king would do it, id obviously prefer it.

right now im sold on 2 things:

-OKC deal is dead and not coming back
-CHA deal is dead and not coming back

i think lopez goes to miami or denver or most likely and my fear we keep him.

[MGrand15]

Do we really need them to be desperate? I don't see why It would be such a stretch to throw in Perry Jones or Mitch McGary if it means getting Lopez for Perkins.

No chance they throw in McGary.

When I say desperate, I mean, some sort of package that gets us Reggie Jackson + Lamb and/or Perry Jones.

yeah, and i dont see how OKC is desperate. i think they take lopez if it cost them nothing (lamb and perkins) but i dont see them adding value for what would be a pretty big dice roll for them and taking on salary that would hurt any chance of retaining jackson and potentially have them in the tax.

OKC isnt BK or LA. the tax is a big deal for them

I doubt they try to keep Jackson. He wants to start, he's been an issue fit wise, and I doubt they keep him at the price tag he'll want. Trading him before he commands real money is a pretty typical OKC move. This is a guy that gets sporadic minutes when the team is healthy and is getting squeezed out by guys like Morrow, Waiters, Roberson.

OKC knows that missing the playoffs would be a huge blow for the franchise. You can't miss the playoffs with KD/Westbrook/Ibaka on the team. You just can't. Especially with free agency looming for their big guys.

I'm not saying Lopez is the only move they can make but in terms of risk vs. reward - this is pretty damn good for them. Regardless of your feelings on Brook - he's currently not in an ideal situation in terms of roster, role, and coaching. Even still, per 36 minutes - he's putting up 20 ppg, 8 rpg, 2 bpg on 55% TS%. Compare that to playing Nick Collison and Kendrick Perkins 40 minutes a night - that type of scoring would be HUGE for their bench.

[Prokorov]

No chance they throw in McGary.

When I say desperate, I mean, some sort of package that gets us Reggie Jackson + Lamb and/or Perry Jones.

yeah, and i dont see how OKC is desperate. i think they take lopez if it cost them nothing (lamb and perkins) but i dont see them adding value for what would be a pretty big dice roll for them and taking on salary that would hurt any chance of retaining jackson and potentially have them in the tax.

OKC isnt BK or LA. the tax is a big deal for them

I doubt they try to keep Jackson. He wants to start, he's been an issue fit wise, and I doubt they keep him at the price tag he'll want. Trading him before he commands real money is a pretty typical OKC move. This is a guy that gets sporadic minutes when the team is healthy and is getting squeezed out by guys like Morrow, Waiters, Roberson.

OKC knows that missing the playoffs would be a huge blow for the franchise. You can't miss the playoffs with KD/Westbrook/Ibaka on the team. You just can't. Especially with free agency looming for their big guys.

I'm not saying Lopez is the only move they can make but in terms of risk vs. reward - this is pretty damn good for them. Regardless of your feelings on Brook - he's currently not in an ideal situation in terms of roster, role, and coaching. Even still, per 36 minutes - he's putting up 20 ppg, 8 rpg, 2 bpg on 55% TS%. Compare that to playing Nick Collison and Kendrick Perkins 40 minutes a night - that type of scoring would be HUGE for their bench.

again, i can see OKC doing it if its just a salary dump giving up perkins and lamb. but no chance they add value, especially when its entirely possible lopez makes them worse. i honestly see him as just as poor a fit there and being forced to the bench. PER36 numbers dont really matter for a guy who isnt going to play 36 minutes. as a starter he could only play 30 and coming off the bench its likely 25. geting 14 ppg from lopez off the bench as a ball stopper who takes tons of jumpers on a low percentage really isnt as big a help as you make it out tobe

Lopez is having the worst season since his rookie year (arguably worse) and has become super jump shot reliant. he is taking 25% of his shots from 16+ feet and shooting it at just 40% he FTs are WAAAAY down. his interior scoring is WAAAY down. and he is playing the worst defense of his career, which already was in question.

add in his salary and injuries and the offers we get are gonna be stuff like 1st + other teams bad contracts(DEN) or straight salary dumps (OKC).

and those offers all go away if lopez gets hurt

[MGrand15]

yeah, and i dont see how OKC is desperate. i think they take lopez if it cost them nothing (lamb and perkins) but i dont see them adding value for what would be a pretty big dice roll for them and taking on salary that would hurt any chance of retaining jackson and potentially have them in the tax.

OKC isnt BK or LA. the tax is a big deal for them

I doubt they try to keep Jackson. He wants to start, he's been an issue fit wise, and I doubt they keep him at the price tag he'll want. Trading him before he commands real money is a pretty typical OKC move. This is a guy that gets sporadic minutes when the team is healthy and is getting squeezed out by guys like Morrow, Waiters, Roberson.

OKC knows that missing the playoffs would be a huge blow for the franchise. You can't miss the playoffs with KD/Westbrook/Ibaka on the team. You just can't. Especially with free agency looming for their big guys.

I'm not saying Lopez is the only move they can make but in terms of risk vs. reward - this is pretty damn good for them. Regardless of your feelings on Brook - he's currently not in an ideal situation in terms of roster, role, and coaching. Even still, per 36 minutes - he's putting up 20 ppg, 8 rpg, 2 bpg on 55% TS%. Compare that to playing Nick Collison and Kendrick Perkins 40 minutes a night - that type of scoring would be HUGE for their bench.

again, i can see OKC doing it if its just a salary dump giving up perkins and lamb. but no chance they add value, especially when its entirely possible lopez makes them worse. i honestly see him as just as poor a fit there and being forced to the bench. PER36 numbers dont really matter for a guy who isnt going to play 36 minutes. as a starter he could only play 30 and coming off the bench its likely 25. geting 14 ppg from lopez off the bench as a ball stopper who takes tons of jumpers on a low percentage really isnt as big a help as you make it out tobe

Lopez is having the worst season since his rookie year (arguably worse) and has become super jump shot reliant. he is taking 25% of his shots from 16+ feet and shooting it at just 40% he FTs are WAAAAY down. his interior scoring is WAAAY down. and he is playing the worst defense of his career, which already was in question.

add in his salary and injuries and the offers we get are gonna be stuff like 1st + other teams bad contracts(DEN) or straight salary dumps (OKC).

and those offers all go away if lopez gets hurt

Throw all those numbers out there and he's still putting up 55 TS% and 20 points per 36 minutes. He's still scoring well even if you don't like how he's doing it. If OKC decides that they want a big man scorer off the bench - Lopez would fit that mold perfectly.

Also 25% of his shots being jump shots is a function of playing alongside Mason Plumlee and coaching + role. His at the rim numbers are similar to his prime numbers. He's not having trouble finishing inside really. His issue is more shot distribution vs. actually not being able to score inside/get to the line.

I also think you're overvaluing Reggie Jackson. He's barely playing. He's causing trouble with his desire to start and his unwillingness to pass. He's going to be a FA and cost them more money + a long term deal.

We'll see what happens. There's 0 chance Lopez makes them worse though. That's just ridiculous. The alternative is Perkins or Nick Collison.

[Paradise]

Everyone has said Lopez in OKC makes them a championship contender and cleans up their biggest flaw. Lopez/Adams would clearly be the best center duo in the league.

Reggie Jackson is entering Lance Stephenson territory with his relationship with the Thunder. He's a goner by the deadline.

[MrDollarBills]

I say re engage OKC. They pretty much need Lopez at this point.

Prok I usually agree with you man but that Denver deal is god awful. I think the Nets are delusional regarding Lopez's value but that deal is atrocious.

[Prokorov]

Throw all those numbers out there and he's still putting up 55 TS% and 20 points per 36 minutes. He's still scoring well even if you don't like how he's doing it. If OKC decides that they want a big man scorer off the bench - Lopez would fit that mold perfectly.

Again, PER36 numbers dont mean much if you arent capable of playing 36 minutes. and 55 TS really isnt all that great for a big.

Also 25% of his shots being jump shots is a function of playing alongside Mason Plumlee and coaching + role. His at the rim numbers are similar to his prime numbers. He's not having trouble finishing inside really. His issue is more shot distribution vs. actually not being able to score inside/get to the line.

as i showed in the brook lopez thread, he shoots just as many jumpers when plumlee isnt on the floor (more in fact)

We'll see what happens. There's 0 chance Lopez makes them worse though. That's just ridiculous. The alternative is Perkins or Nick Collison.

why not? he already makes us worse (worse record with him vs. without him this year and last year)

[yosemiteben]

Thought you guys might like to know that Woj says there hasn't been any recent chatter on a Denver - Brooklyn deal:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/562312095392620544[/tweet]

[Paradise]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/andy_vasquez/status/562396939145474048[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/andy_vasquez/status/562396777702506498[/tweet]

[NyCeEvO]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/SBondyNYDN/status/562399069386326016[/tweet]
Because no one knows what Billy King is going to do now.

You can't make this stuff up...this guy has no clue how to be a good GM.

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[Prokorov]

You have to be effing kidding me. King is legit trolling net fans right now...


3-14 since the new year but king is uber optomistic that we will win the east or something. get this effing clown out of my face.

[Prokorov]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/SBondyNYDN/status/562399069386326016[/tweet]
Because no one knows what Billy King is going to do now.

You can't make this stuff up...this guy has no clue how to be a good GM.

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yeah lets wait, cause the team is just rolling right now... lets paint ourselves right up against the deadline and then trade plumlee for johan petro.

fail.

[NyCeEvO]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/rodboone/status/562398938448560129[/tweet]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/rodboone/status/562398312926834689[/tweet]

Smh...the most expensive team in the league losing like they're tanking but Billy isn't looking to make trades. I don't know what to say anymore. This guy is a complete tool!

[Prokorov]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/rodboone/status/562398938448560129[/tweet]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/rodboone/status/562398312926834689[/tweet]

Smh...the most expensive team in the league losing like they're tanking but Billy isn't looking to make trades. I don't know what to say anymore. This guy is a complete tool!

Hold on hold on wait wait wait wait wait wait wait...... wait....

Did he just say "I want to see this group play"

where the F has he been the past 2.5 months?

[Keith Van Horn]

Has King been watching any of these games??? Is he really that **** stupid? Does anyone in the Nets FO that works with King tell him what we're all saying? He REALLY can't be THAT stupid can he???