Official Trade Thread: The Block Is Hot!!

[TASTIC]

I think Tobias Harris is a guy we might target, good rebounding/scoring F who could play next to Kieff or Tucker.

Very young as well and seems to like the ball in crunch.

How we'd get him is the problem

[Kerrsed]

Great idea, Kerrsed.
I was thinking about something like that yesterday.
Bring Wes Matthews in, give TJ Warren a chance at 3, trade for Gibson/O'Quinn...
but I like your idea better.
Well done, man.

Im a big fan of O'Quinn (have been since the draft), but i was looking for the best rebounding/defending PF (In the KG mold) that would be available (and for cheap). Henson fit the bill and is said to be rumored on the trade block for a starting-quality PG (which we have one to spare). I also feel like Henson (who i hated in the draft) is younger and has a higher ceiling than O'Quinn.

I also dont really see Orlando letting O'Quinn go (Or Oladipo for that matter). O'Quinn is going to be very very cheap to retain and will be a great back-up PF for them for years to come.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I vote against all of it.

I say keep this team. I'm ready to lose Green and let Goodwin, Bullock and Zoran battle for his spot. I'm okay with trading Ennis just to free him: pick up a couple draft picks in the process. Try to re-sign Goran and Wright: pay them market. I really hope TJ finds a way into Tucker's spot in the rotation next season. And that's it! Move Miles or Reggie or Tucker for other spare parts if necessary. That's it.

LOOK. We've been so close to beating so many of the top teams in the West. We're younger than all those teams and, IMO, more talented. Give this team another year - if we can convince Goran to stay - and I think we'll have a shot to win a lot of games. Alex will get stronger. Our young guys will grow more composed and, hopefully, more secure in their roles.

Worst case scenario, Dragic leaves. Not the end of the world. We have draft picks coming, pieces to trade, Goodwin and Bogdanovic developing. Stick with it. Maintain the course. Let SA, DAL and MEM age, see if frustration builds with OKC and LAC (and hope it doesn't here).We're closer than we think, I think.

But whatever we do, DON'T SELL LOW.

[GrantHill]

From there we are allowed to exceed the cap re-signing our own players (Dragic), which we would do, then package him and his brother with the MoBros and send them out to NY for Melo.

You have to renounce Dragics rights in order to get the cap space (to sign Matthews). Once you renounce a players rights you cannot exceed the cap by signing him. Therefore your suggestion is invalid or rather impossible.

[rsavaj]

I get the idea that we all want a star but I don't think 30 year old Melo with a bad knee and an even worse contract is the guy we should be pining for, and if I was a betting man, I'd put down some money on McDonough and Babby thinking the same.

[Revived]

I think Tobias Harris is a guy we might target, good rebounding/scoring F who could play next to Kieff or Tucker.

Very young as well and seems to like the ball in crunch.

How we'd get him is the problem

I like Harris as well. Orlando may not see him in their future plans, he's been coming off the bench for them.

[rsavaj]

I think Tobias Harris is a guy we might target, good rebounding/scoring F who could play next to Kieff or Tucker.

Very young as well and seems to like the ball in crunch.

How we'd get him is the problem

I don't know what Orlando would be looking for, but I wonder how close Goodwin/Bullock is as a base package to start around. Probably not very...

[Revived]

My idea for a "Celtic Big 3 Like" rebuild.

Step 1. Trade Thomas/Plumlee to the Bucks for Mayo/Henson. According to a Bucks insider, they are looking to make some major moves. With Kidd now GM/Coach, he is looking to rebuild the entire roster (with the 3 exceptions being Parker/Antetokounmpo/Pachulia). They like Knight, but are too far apart with a contract extension, and are currently looking for a new starting PG. Thats where Thomas comes into play. Plumlee gives them a back-up C on the cheap for Zaza. They also are able to dump Mayo's remaining salary. Mayo gives us a REAL SG that can penetrate and hit the open 3. Unlike Thomas, Mayo has stated that he is fine coming off the bench and playing that 6th man role. But lets not get it wrong, this trade is not all about us getting Mayo, its about us getting Henson first and foremost. Henson gives us a nice young PF/C in what i see as a Kevin Garnett mold. If you compare both of their 3rd season stats, they are very similar. Henson's long, wiry, defensive, can rebound at a great pace, and is excellent at blocking shots. His PER36 stats (on a horrible team) are:
14.5 points (58%FG), 9.2 rebounds, 2.1 assists, and an AMAZING 3.7 BLOCKS!

From there we just finish up the season. Make the play-offs or not, its on to the next step!

Step 2. Sign Matthews to a max contract in FA. Yeah, i said it. Sign him the F up! He is a great defender and a great shooter. He already has a great relationship with Hornasek, whom he credits with making him the player that he is today. Matthews gives us a Ray Allen type shooter/scorer. He might not be as great of a shooter as Allen, but he is definitely twice the defender, and that makes up for it.

2. In the offseason, Sign-and-trade Dragicx2/Morrisx2/future 1st or Goodwin or Warren ($26M) to NY for Melo ($26M). This might seem a bit crazy to some of you, but its something i feel needs to be done. We buy ourselves a superstar. Melo provides great scoring and decent defense at the SF spot 'ala Paul Pierce. He gives every game his all. Look at his current situation, he is stuck on a horrible horrible horrible Knicks team that has crumbled and imploded. Because of teammates injuries, he is stuck playing with a bunch of D-League/Euro-League players, many of whom have no business even being in the NBA. The FO wants to shut him down for the rest of the season, but he said, "Nope! It aint gonna happen!". Thats what i like to see! When others want him to quit, he doesnt. 24PPG/6.7RPG/3APG is numbers i could learn to love from my starting SF.

The Knicks assure themselves getting Dragic this way. Otherwise there could be many other teams that make a play for him and the Knicks could lose out. They get themselves the Twins on excellent contracts while unloading Melo's salary, thus giving them max space to completely start their rebuild (STAT and Bargnani also expire). They can also have their choice of either a future 1st, Goodwin, or Warren. I believe they would take the future 1st.

Step 4. Re-sign Wright. Dont know what size contract, but start him around $6M for the 1st season.

AND THERE YOU GO!





Bledsoe = Rondo : Defensive PG. Triple Double threat. Bledsoe has much better Offense than Rondo did.
Matthews = Allen : Great Shooter/Scorer. Allen was a better shooter, but Wes is a much better defender.
Melo = Pierce : I believe Melo is the same type SF as PP was, but Melo has better offense and defense.
Henson = KG : Its a bit of a stretch, and Henson isnt nearly as good as KG, but is the same type of PF. DEFENSE!
Len = Perkins : Big defensive C in the paint to rebound. Len has much much better offense.

Bledsoe/Ennis
Matthews/Mayo/Goodwin
Melo/Bullock/Warren
Henson/Tucker/DRAFT!
Len/Wright

That line-up comes out to roughly $79M. The Cap is projected to be:

The numbers for 2015-16 are now projected to be $66.5 million, and the tax level is projected to be $81.0 million, respectively.

So that puts us over the cap, but just under the tax.

The following year, Mayo's $8M comes off the books and the cap is expected to jump super high due to the new TV money coming in. That allows us to make adjustments if need be, without disrupting our core players who are locked in long term (Bledsoe/Matthews/Melo/Len)

I like it. Henson's been a player I liked even when people thought he was a bust.

Only thing I would change is that rather than trading for Melo, we trade for Tobias Harris who is like a younger Melo anyway.

[Revived]

I think Tobias Harris is a guy we might target, good rebounding/scoring F who could play next to Kieff or Tucker.

Very young as well and seems to like the ball in crunch.

How we'd get him is the problem

I don't know what Orlando would be looking for, but I wonder how close Goodwin/Bullock is as a base package to start around. Probably not very...

We'll definitely have to give up one of the 3 PGs, one of our draft picks, Warren and maybe Morris brothers.

[MrMiyagi]

My idea for a "Celtic Big 3 Like" rebuild.

Step 1. Trade Thomas/Plumlee to the Bucks for Mayo/Henson. According to a Bucks insider, they are looking to make some major moves. With Kidd now GM/Coach, he is looking to rebuild the entire roster (with the 3 exceptions being Parker/Antetokounmpo/Pachulia). They like Knight, but are too far apart with a contract extension, and are currently looking for a new starting PG. Thats where Thomas comes into play. Plumlee gives them a back-up C on the cheap for Zaza. They also are able to dump Mayo's remaining salary. Mayo gives us a REAL SG that can penetrate and hit the open 3. Unlike Thomas, Mayo has stated that he is fine coming off the bench and playing that 6th man role. But lets not get it wrong, this trade is not all about us getting Mayo, its about us getting Henson first and foremost. Henson gives us a nice young PF/C in what i see as a Kevin Garnett mold. If you compare both of their 3rd season stats, they are very similar. Henson's long, wiry, defensive, can rebound at a great pace, and is excellent at blocking shots. His PER36 stats (on a horrible team) are:
14.5 points (58%FG), 9.2 rebounds, 2.1 assists, and an AMAZING 3.7 BLOCKS!

From there we just finish up the season. Make the play-offs or not, its on to the next step!

Step 2. Sign Matthews to a max contract in FA. Yeah, i said it. Sign him the F up! He is a great defender and a great shooter. He already has a great relationship with Hornasek, whom he credits with making him the player that he is today. Matthews gives us a Ray Allen type shooter/scorer. He might not be as great of a shooter as Allen, but he is definitely twice the defender, and that makes up for it.

2. In the offseason, Sign-and-trade Dragicx2/Morrisx2/future 1st or Goodwin or Warren ($26M) to NY for Melo ($26M). This might seem a bit crazy to some of you, but its something i feel needs to be done. We buy ourselves a superstar. Melo provides great scoring and decent defense at the SF spot 'ala Paul Pierce. He gives every game his all. Look at his current situation, he is stuck on a horrible horrible horrible Knicks team that has crumbled and imploded. Because of teammates injuries, he is stuck playing with a bunch of D-League/Euro-League players, many of whom have no business even being in the NBA. The FO wants to shut him down for the rest of the season, but he said, "Nope! It aint gonna happen!". Thats what i like to see! When others want him to quit, he doesnt. 24PPG/6.7RPG/3APG is numbers i could learn to love from my starting SF.

The Knicks assure themselves getting Dragic this way. Otherwise there could be many other teams that make a play for him and the Knicks could lose out. They get themselves the Twins on excellent contracts while unloading Melo's salary, thus giving them max space to completely start their rebuild (STAT and Bargnani also expire). They can also have their choice of either a future 1st, Goodwin, or Warren. I believe they would take the future 1st.

Step 4. Re-sign Wright. Dont know what size contract, but start him around $6M for the 1st season.

AND THERE YOU GO!





Bledsoe = Rondo : Defensive PG. Triple Double threat. Bledsoe has much better Offense than Rondo did.
Matthews = Allen : Great Shooter/Scorer. Allen was a better shooter, but Wes is a much better defender.
Melo = Pierce : I believe Melo is the same type SF as PP was, but Melo has better offense and defense.
Henson = KG : Its a bit of a stretch, and Henson isnt nearly as good as KG, but is the same type of PF. DEFENSE!
Len = Perkins : Big defensive C in the paint to rebound. Len has much much better offense.

Bledsoe/Ennis
Matthews/Mayo/Goodwin
Melo/Bullock/Warren
Henson/Tucker/DRAFT!
Len/Wright

That line-up comes out to roughly $79M. The Cap is projected to be:

The numbers for 2015-16 are now projected to be $66.5 million, and the tax level is projected to be $81.0 million, respectively.

So that puts us over the cap, but just under the tax.

The following year, Mayo's $8M comes off the books and the cap is expected to jump super high due to the new TV money coming in. That allows us to make adjustments if need be, without disrupting our core players who are locked in long term (Bledsoe/Matthews/Melo/Len)

I don't want anything to do with Melo.

[rsavaj]

I think Tobias Harris is a guy we might target, good rebounding/scoring F who could play next to Kieff or Tucker.

Very young as well and seems to like the ball in crunch.

How we'd get him is the problem

I don't know what Orlando would be looking for, but I wonder how close Goodwin/Bullock is as a base package to start around. Probably not very...

We'll definitely have to give up one of the 3 PGs, one of our draft picks, Warren and maybe Morris brothers.

I think that package can grab someone > Tobias Harris. At that point you're stripping the team for a dude who might not be better than Markieff.

[AtheJ415]

I get the idea that we all want a star but I don't think 30 year old Melo with a bad knee and an even worse contract is the guy we should be pining for, and if I was a betting man, I'd put down some money on McDonough and Babby thinking the same.

I just don't think it's a good idea for us to acquire any 30 year old not named Lebron. We want someone who will grow with this team. I want Melo, but not for who it would cost to get him.

[Revived]

I don't know what Orlando would be looking for, but I wonder how close Goodwin/Bullock is as a base package to start around. Probably not very...

We'll definitely have to give up one of the 3 PGs, one of our draft picks, Warren and maybe Morris brothers.

I think that package can grab someone > Tobias Harris. At that point you're stripping the team for a dude who might not be better than Markieff.

Like who?

I probably overrate Harris but I think he's one of those guys who has star potential. I, along with rest of the world, think that Vaughn is a terrible coach. He can do better here for all of Hornacek's problems, he's better than Vaughn.

And I wouldn't start Tobias at PF even though we can play him there in spurts. I'd start Harris at SF.

He's incredibly young, only 22 years old.

[AtheJ415]

I think Tobias Harris is a guy we might target, good rebounding/scoring F who could play next to Kieff or Tucker.

Very young as well and seems to like the ball in crunch.

How we'd get him is the problem

I don't know what Orlando would be looking for, but I wonder how close Goodwin/Bullock is as a base package to start around. Probably not very...

We'll definitely have to give up one of the 3 PGs, one of our draft picks, Warren and maybe Morris brothers.

Kieff, techs or not, is too valuable to be a throw in. In fact, we'd be fixing one hole by creating 2-3 others in that scenrio. I'm fine trading Warren, but PJ or Marcus need to be on the move in that case even if in a separate trade. Harris will get a rookie max, and we don't want to spend $25 mil at the SF spot for a borderline star and 2 role players.

I'd do Warren, Thomas, Marcus or PJ (Marcus pisses me off, but his play the last few weeks has been good and he's younger. I lean towards keeping the younger guy usually), and a pick for him.

Also, your one of 3 pgs statement is pretty senseless in this scenario. Orlando wouldn't want Dragic because he isn't resigning there and everyone knows it. Bledsoe is better than Harris so it can't be him. That leaves just Thomas.

[AtheJ415]

I don't know what Orlando would be looking for, but I wonder how close Goodwin/Bullock is as a base package to start around. Probably not very...

We'll definitely have to give up one of the 3 PGs, one of our draft picks, Warren and maybe Morris brothers.

I think that package can grab someone > Tobias Harris. At that point you're stripping the team for a dude who might not be better than Markieff.

I like Tobias a lot. I do think he could be a star at the 3 spot in a few years, but I agree. Kieff is underrated on this board because he screws up in senseless ways, but at the end of the day he's at worst going to be one of the better starting PFs in the league at on arguably the best contract.

[Frank Lee]

Mobro1 + Mobro2 = Gibson

Hows my math?

[Revived]

I honestly wouldn't want him and here is why:

1. He's a chucker
2. Very selfish player
3. Bad attitude
4. Think he's better than Durant

Couldn't you say the same things about Bledsoe?

I think Westbrook and Bledsoe are similar players in the type of style they play but Westbrook attacks 24/7 while Bledsoe tends to take plays off, turn it over and low ball iq.

I do think you can build a contender with Westbrook as #1. You just need a big man to be the #2.

I also think Westbrook is seen around the league in high regard by other players who respect in his insane athleticism and skill.

Kobe himself has said that Westbrook is the only one who has even close to the competitive drive as him. Just like Kobe, Westbrook is also bashed 24/7 by the media and fans.

I think Bledsoe's shot selection and general IQ is worlds ahead of Westbrook. We microcriticize our guys because we watch all the Suns games and care more. Bledsoe's turnovers have been a problem at times this year, but I think his shot selection is nowhere near as bad as Westbrook's, particularly when you factor in Westbrook has a guy who could end up being the greatest scorer in the history of the league on his team and who randomly and inexplicably doesn't touch the ball due to Westbrook.

I definitely don't think so. Bledsoe has made ton of improvements but no, I still think Westbrook is much better especially in terms of basketball iq and shot selection.

Last night for example, Westbrook scored 25 points on 8-for-15 shooting to go with 14 assists, 11 rebounds, four steals, one block and just two turnovers in 38-plus minutes.

He had a double double at halftime and he had a triple double before the 4th QTR even began.

Westbrook also has the nice size advantage at PG being significantly taller than Bledsoe. Probably more athletic too.

[rsavaj]

Mobro1 + Mobro2 = Gibson

Hows my math?

Off, since one of our MoBros > Gibson this year.

Take a look at how Taj has played this season and you'll find a lot of angry/disappointed Bulls fans looking alongside you.

[bigfoot]

Young team ... competing ... winning more than half their games ... let's trade everyone.

Get rid of Green or let him expire. That is the only thing we should do. Let this team grow.

[AtheJ415]

Couldn't you say the same things about Bledsoe?

I think Westbrook and Bledsoe are similar players in the type of style they play but Westbrook attacks 24/7 while Bledsoe tends to take plays off, turn it over and low ball iq.

I do think you can build a contender with Westbrook as #1. You just need a big man to be the #2.

I also think Westbrook is seen around the league in high regard by other players who respect in his insane athleticism and skill.

Kobe himself has said that Westbrook is the only one who has even close to the competitive drive as him. Just like Kobe, Westbrook is also bashed 24/7 by the media and fans.

I think Bledsoe's shot selection and general IQ is worlds ahead of Westbrook. We microcriticize our guys because we watch all the Suns games and care more. Bledsoe's turnovers have been a problem at times this year, but I think his shot selection is nowhere near as bad as Westbrook's, particularly when you factor in Westbrook has a guy who could end up being the greatest scorer in the history of the league on his team and who randomly and inexplicably doesn't touch the ball due to Westbrook.

I definitely don't think so. Bledsoe has made ton of improvements but no, I still think Westbrook is much better especially in terms of basketball iq and shot selection.

Last night for example, Westbrook scored 25 points on 8-for-15 shooting to go with 14 assists, 11 rebounds, four steals, one block and just two turnovers in 38-plus minutes.

He had a double double at halftime and he had a triple double before the 4th QTR even began.

Westbrook also has the nice size advantage at PG being significantly taller than Bledsoe. Probably more athletic too.

Thinking Westbrook is better than anybody at BBall IQ and shot selection is the craziest thing I've ever read. If not for those 2 aspects he'd be the MVP.

Westbrook, particularly in the playoffs, has a tendency to take more shots than the best offensive player in basketball on his own team, often times while shooting less than 8-15. Going 8-15 doesn't mean you have good shot selection. It means you can make bad shots.

You've misunderstood what I said to mean Westbrook is a bad or worse player than Bledsoe. I never said such a thing. But as for size, Bledsoe's wingspan cancels out the height difference.