If you could re-sign only 1 corner: Tramon Or House?

[HKPackFan]

I'm curious who you prefer, Tramon or House?

This actually reminds me of last summer's debate of Jordy Vs Cobb.

Jordy was the consistent healthy veteran, whereas Cobb was the younger player showing flashes of greatness but had some health issues.


I think those issues are more extreme in this case. Tramon is the crafty veteran, he's consistent and been an iron man, barely missing time. He'll play hurt, he'll do whatever, but he's on the wrong side of 30. He turns 32 in a few weeks. How much more does he have in the tank? When will age catch up and his play start to suffer? Will he take less than the roughly $8mil/yr he's been earning?


Then there's Davon House. He's young, he's long, he's aggressive, he's shown flashes of great D, he could be a starter on a lot of teams, he will earn a good contract somewhere. He fits a need we have against taller WR's like Megatron and Chicago's WRs. But at times he seems like he's made of glass. Can you count on him to be there week in and week out and invest so much on him?


Personally I'd take Tramon for 2-3 years and let House go. In the meantime you have Casey Haward/Micah Hyde/Goodson, and hopefully one of those becomes a stud to replace Tramon. Money wise I'd hope to get him at $4 mi/year but I'm not a capologist expert nor do I know the market rate for 32 year old good corners. At the same time I'm not ready to pay big money to House. We can't afford to pay a guy $8mil/year with the hope and prayer he plays for 16 games,unlike his last few years, and that he's consistent.

My other reason is for not wanting House is a lame reason, maybe I'm a butt hurt loser Packer fan but I'm sort of annoyed with House.

He was being a lazy bit**! on special teams on the Jon Ryan Fake FG. All House has to do is take 2 steps outside (just like J. Bush did) and that play is contained, but you can see he's lazy running inside, and gives Ryan an angle and puts slow ass Hawk in a bind. Hawk chose wrong yet he's in no man's land, but if House just does what he was told to do (McCarthy said the play call was a safe call not a block call) Ryan gets blown up and the comeback is irrelevant.

Maybe the annoyance will wear off but for now I'm still bothered by it. Completely ignoring that personal annoyance, I'd still take Tramon as a tried and true player knowing maybe Casey Hayward or someone else can eventually start at CB in a couple years.

[Newz]

This all depends on the amount of money and years they each want. I think right now my preference would be Tramon on a 2-year deal because Tramon is still very good. In that two year window we should also be locking up Hayward (who I value more than House) and we can hopefully find another corner to play opposite Shields when Tramon is done... or maybe Tramon is one of those guys who can just be effective into his mid to late-30's.

House has good size and he has shown flashes of being good (but not great). He's still very inconsistent from what I have seen though and I don't think I'd be willing to pay him "starter money" yet.

I guess it's a good problem to have. Right now I'd say see if we can keep Tramon around for a shorter deal at a reasonable amount. If we have to give either/both of them 4 years to keep them... then I'd probably side with House.

[humanrefutation]

I think Tramon is a better corner than House. House has been getting all of these rave reviews from practice and TC - people talking about him like he's the next great corner - and it hasn't translated to success on the field. He's also going into his fifth year as a CB, so it's not like he's young and inexperienced.

Because I don't think House has earned a long term deal for significant dollars, I'd have to imagine that their contract offers aren't going to be dramatically different. If that's the case, I bring back the better corner.

[FAH1223]

Tramon is the better player. He's also missed 1 game in his career.

32 isn't that old, there have been plenty of CBs who have played well at that age.

I'd re-sign him and draft a new CB.

[jakecronus8]

If House had any ball skills I'd vote for him. Solid guy but stone hands. I like my corners to at least be a threat to pick one off.

[PkrsBcksGphsMqt]

I'm going to be in the extreme minority, but I go with House. I haven't lost all hope with him and he will come significantly cheaper. Tramon is not worth significant money, he's too old and too inconsistent.

[FAH1223]

I'm going to be in the extreme minority, but I go with House. I haven't lost all hope with him and he will come significantly cheaper. Tramon is not worth significant money, he's too old and too inconsistent.

Tramon has played really well the last two seasons and he plays every single week. If Tramon had suddenly became slow and was dealing with injuries at age 32, I'd agree but he hasn't slowed down much if at all.

No one is paying him $9 million that he got in 2014. But if he's getting $4-5 million, I have no problem paying that for 2-3 seasons.

House is sure to miss 4-6 games a year. And he doesn't have a history of picking passes off. Can you really depend on him?

I wouldn't mind taking a 2 year $5 million flyer on House. But that's his worth due to his injuries and lack of ball skills.

[Lippo]

depends on the cost
assuming House at 4 mil and Williams at 6.5 mil, I think I would take House.

Offer House 4/14
Offer Williams 2/12

First one to accept gets the roster spot, the other gets low balled if he wants on the team.

[ReasonablySober]

Unless Tramon comes cheap, I'm going with House, a guy I'm positive should come cheap.

[RiotPunch]

House. Easy call for me. Younger and cheaper. Go out a draft a CB as well.

EDIT: I will add that if we can get Tramon cheap, I'd roll with him too. I just think it's worth going the House route if that means you can retain Cobb, Bulaga, Guion, Raji, etc.

[Ron Swanson]

I go Tramon on a shorter (2-yr), more expensive deal. I like House but locking him up long term scares me with his history of nagging injuries as well as the belief I have that he's already reached his potential.

I think you can easily find a replacement for House in the draft. Tramon? Not so much.

[RRyder823]

Unbelievably easy answer of Tramon for me. Not only is Tramon the much much better player of the two but House has publicly stated he wants to be a starter and considering he was probably our 5th best CB behind Sheilds, Tramon, Hayward and Hyde I could see him becoming malcontent next year if hes not givin every opportunity to start over Hayward or Hyde..

With the fact the Packers are in good shape for the cap n should be able to reatain both Cobb n Bulaga, unless some team veiws the later as a LT, the extra million or two against the cap the next 2 years from sigining Tramon over House isnt worth the cap savings the Packers would gain from choosing their 5th best CB over their 2nd best CB.

Quite honestly unless Tramon is refusing to play on only a moderate deal this isnt even a question to me. Resign Tramon to something along the lines of 2 years 11-12 million and draft a CB in the 3-5 round.

House Isnt going to THAT much cheaper then Tramon either so to me the only logic in Houses favor Is hes younger..... That kind of logic needs to stay on the Bucks board...... We're comepeting for Super Bowls over her

[chuckleslove]

Without knowing the money its impossible to say but I lean towards Tramon based purely on skill/performance.

[Balls2TheWalls]

Tramon and it's not close.

[RiotPunch]

Tramon and it's not close.

What if the choice is between just Tramon or House and Bulaga? I get that Tramon is the better player pretty handily right now, but there is more to the equation.

[Profound23]

Neither. If Tramon comes back for around 2 yrs/8mil then I am fine with that but I doubt he does that. Yes, House will be cheap but so will other guys better than House. Kyle Wilson, Cromartie, Thurmond, Flowers, Patrick Robinson, Josh Gordy and Byron Maxwell just to name a few will be cheaper than Tramon and better options than House. A lot of those players can play within our scheme as well.

I am fine with Shields, Hayward, Hyde, whichever of those guys comes the cheapest, and a rookie or two. Money has to be spent on ILB's.

[zmanishere11]

If you look at what cbs got in fa last year - we actually overpaid shields.

That market seems soft - probably because of the numerous big ticket flops there over the last few years.

I just can't see house getting more than 3 mil a year. Tramon at anything less than 6 on a short deal is a steal

[RRyder823]

Tramon and it's not close.

What if the choice is between just Tramon or House and Bulaga? I get that Tramon is the better player pretty handily right now, but there is more to the equation.

Because the space we'll save going from Tramon to House will have roughly zero bearing on whether we'll be able to resign Bulaga. Whether Bulaga resigns will come down to whether a team out there views Bulaga a LT and decides to pay him accordingly.

TT will have a number in mind for Bulaga completely independent of whether we spend a little more on Tramon, save a little bit on House or even if we were to save alot by letting both go. TT not going to budge on that number n with considering our current cap situation whether we resign Tramon or House will have zero bearing on that number

[RRyder823]

Neither. If Tramon comes back for around 2 yrs/8mil then I am fine with that but I doubt he does that. Yes, House will be cheap but so will other guys better than House. Kyle Wilson, Cromartie, Thurmond, Flowers, Patrick Robinson, Josh Gordy and Byron Maxwell just to name a few will be cheaper than Tramon and better options than House. A lot of those players can play within our scheme as well.

I am fine with Shields, Hayward, Hyde, whichever of those guys comes the cheapest, and a rookie or two. Money has to be spent on ILB's.

So your hope is we let them go n not only sign one of the FA CBs you mentioned but then for TT to go back into FA n use that savings n sign an ILB????

I get what your sayin but keep hope alive brother

[HKPackFan]

Unbelievably easy answer of Tramon for me. Not only is Tramon the much much better player of the two but House has publicly stated he wants to be a starter and considering he was probably our 5th best CB behind Sheilds, Tramon, Hayward and Hyde I could see him becoming malcontent next year if hes not givin every opportunity to start over Hayward or Hyde..

With the fact the Packers are in good shape for the cap n should be able to reatain both Cobb n Bulaga, unless some team veiws the later as a LT, the extra million or two against the cap the next 2 years from sigining Tramon over House isnt worth the cap savings the Packers would gain from choosing their 5th best CB over their 2nd best CB.

Quite honestly unless Tramon is refusing to play on only a moderate deal this isnt even a question to me. Resign Tramon to something along the lines of 2 years 11-12 million and draft a CB in the 3-5 round.

House Isnt going to THAT much cheaper then Tramon either so to me the only logic in Houses favor Is hes younger..... That kind of logic needs to stay on the Bucks board...... We're comepeting for Super Bowls over her

I don't mind guys saying they want to start, you'd hope every player has the desire to be a starter. Lot's of guys have come through the ranks trying hard to be starters but eventually getting their shot like Desmond Bishop, but were not malcontents. But I get what you are saying, you don't want a guy causing trouble in the locker room because he doesn't know his place.

Tramon at 2 years 11-12 million seems pretty good to me. That's still a reduction from his 8-9 million, also AJ Hawk is 5 million on the cap next year, no way he's on the team, so there will be some savings for the cap.

Not sure if I'd want to pay house $3 million per year for half a season of play I wouldn't bank on him playing 16 games.