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OMFKG! The Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Thread II

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Re: OMFKG! The Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Thread II 

Post#1801 » by Hornet Mania » Fri Jan 30, 2015 1:38 am

yosemiteben wrote:I though he had a concussion for sure last night with the way he hit his head on the floor. I figured with our luck he'd be out a couple weeks.


Yep, it was crazy how they didn't even pull him out to check on it. I hope they at least ran a test or two after the game just to be on the safe side. I was especially concerned when he sort of slipped under the basket a couple minutes afterward. MKG does fall down a lot so it's not conclusive evidence by any means, could just be a wet spot, but loss of balance is a widely known symptom of concussions. At that point I would have pulled him for sure to see the doc.
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Re: OMFKG! The Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Thread II 

Post#1802 » by JDR720 » Fri Jan 30, 2015 1:44 am

He probably saw 5 rims when he took that jump shot afterwards
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Post#1803 » by TheKingofSting » Fri Jan 30, 2015 2:16 am

MKG has scored in double figures in 12 out of his last 18 games. In that span he also has three games with 9 points, two games with 8 points and the other game he had 6 points but only played 18 minutes @ Boston. There is definitely some development there. I just hope I didn't jinx him.
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Re: OMFKG! The Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Thread II 

Post#1804 » by SpearNMgicHelmt » Fri Jan 30, 2015 4:51 am

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yosemiteben wrote:I though he had a concussion for sure last night with the way he hit his head on the floor. I figured with our luck he'd be out a couple weeks.


Yep, it was crazy how they didn't even pull him out to check on it. I hope they at least ran a test or two after the game just to be on the safe side. I was especially concerned when he sort of slipped under the basket a couple minutes afterward. MKG does fall down a lot so it's not conclusive evidence by any means, could just be a wet spot, but loss of balance is a widely known symptom of concussions. At that point I would have pulled him for sure to see the doc.


He's definitely the reincarnation of Gerald Wallace for us. Every couple of games, Crash would hit the floor so hard that you'd wonder if he'd be dead! Then he'd shake it off and get right back into it.

Plus MKG has that same intensity.
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Post#1805 » by Elden Payton » Fri Jan 30, 2015 5:35 am

TheKingofSting wrote:MKG has scored in double figures in 12 out of his last 18 games. In that span he also has three games with 9 points, two games with 8 points and the other game he had 6 points but only played 18 minutes @ Boston. There is definitely some development there. I just hope I didn't jinx him.


MKG can score the ball.

9.9 points in 26mpg is alright for a guy who people think only plays one side of the ball.
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Post#1806 » by ball teacher » Fri Jan 30, 2015 11:51 am

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TheKingofSting wrote:MKG has scored in double figures in 12 out of his last 18 games. In that span he also has three games with 9 points, two games with 8 points and the other game he had 6 points but only played 18 minutes @ Boston. There is definitely some development there. I just hope I didn't jinx him.


MKG can score the ball.

9.9 points in 26mpg is alright for a guy who people think only plays one side of the ball.


I've been saying he's more than just a defensive player since before the draft when I was stating the case to draft him. The only knock on him offensively is his lack of range and ugly form, other than that he's a skilled overall player. He can post up players, but we dont post him, instead we occasionally let Hendo try it but that rarely works. He is able to break defenders down, he has a decent shot from the elbow, and he makes the right pass plays, but we treat the guy like he's the biggest liability offensively on the team.

We should give him Hendo's role as the third option behind Kemba and Al. Hendo has a very nice mid range shot, but that's really it, he's trying to take a bigger role scoring but he's not built for that. MKG is a winner, this guy should be getting as many minutes as possible and involved in our offense as much as possible, not so much as the go to scorer, but a active role nonetheless cause all he does is make plays and he inspires his teamates. We just came back from almost 20 down vs the Spurs and almost won mostly cause of MKG, I dont see how anybody, coach or not, cant see the value this guy brings to our team.
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Post#1807 » by Braggins » Fri Jan 30, 2015 1:04 pm

He should at least be our super version of Draymond Green in a few years. He doesn't have the shooting range yet and his feel for the game isn't at Green's level yet but he is much more athletic. Green is 3 years older and averages 11 points in 31 minutes. He might not ever be as good at shooting 3's but his defense should be much better and he has more overall offensive potential due to his ability to drive and slash. MKG already averages nearly 14 points per/36. Virtually all of his 26 minutes come against the other teams best players so I actually think his per 36 minute averages are fairly accurate. If he got his per/36 minute averages (13.7 pts, 9.6 reb, 2 ast, 44% fg) or even close he would easily be considered one of the best young players in the league. He is only 21. He might see a little drop off due to increased fatigue and put up something like 13/8/2. Regardless, it is simply bad coaching that he only gets 26 minutes a night.
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Post#1808 » by mrknowitall215 » Fri Jan 30, 2015 5:03 pm

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Re: OMFKG! The Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Thread II 

Post#1809 » by Elden Payton » Fri Jan 30, 2015 10:12 pm

ball teacher wrote:
Sik Infant wrote:
TheKingofSting wrote:MKG has scored in double figures in 12 out of his last 18 games. In that span he also has three games with 9 points, two games with 8 points and the other game he had 6 points but only played 18 minutes @ Boston. There is definitely some development there. I just hope I didn't jinx him.


MKG can score the ball.

9.9 points in 26mpg is alright for a guy who people think only plays one side of the ball.


I've been saying he's more than just a defensive player since before the draft when I was stating the case to draft him. The only knock on him offensively is his lack of range and ugly form, other than that he's a skilled overall player. He can post up players, but we dont post him, instead we occasionally let Hendo try it but that rarely works. He is able to break defenders down, he has a decent shot from the elbow, and he makes the right pass plays, but we treat the guy like he's the biggest liability offensively on the team.

We should give him Hendo's role as the third option behind Kemba and Al. Hendo has a very nice mid range shot, but that's really it, he's trying to take a bigger role scoring but he's not built for that. MKG is a winner, this guy should be getting as many minutes as possible and involved in our offense as much as possible, not so much as the go to scorer, but a active role nonetheless cause all he does is make plays and he inspires his teamates. We just came back from almost 20 down vs the Spurs and almost won mostly cause of MKG, I dont see how anybody, coach or not, cant see the value this guy brings to our team.


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Post#1810 » by TheKingofSting » Sat Jan 31, 2015 3:10 am

ball teacher wrote:
Sik Infant wrote:
TheKingofSting wrote:MKG has scored in double figures in 12 out of his last 18 games. In that span he also has three games with 9 points, two games with 8 points and the other game he had 6 points but only played 18 minutes @ Boston. There is definitely some development there. I just hope I didn't jinx him.


MKG can score the ball.

9.9 points in 26mpg is alright for a guy who people think only plays one side of the ball.


I've been saying he's more than just a defensive player since before the draft when I was stating the case to draft him. The only knock on him offensively is his lack of range and ugly form, other than that he's a skilled overall player. He can post up players, but we dont post him, instead we occasionally let Hendo try it but that rarely works. He is able to break defenders down, he has a decent shot from the elbow, and he makes the right pass plays, but we treat the guy like he's the biggest liability offensively on the team.

We should give him Hendo's role as the third option behind Kemba and Al. Hendo has a very nice mid range shot, but that's really it, he's trying to take a bigger role scoring but he's not built for that. MKG is a winner, this guy should be getting as many minutes as possible and involved in our offense as much as possible, not so much as the go to scorer, but a active role nonetheless cause all he does is make plays and he inspires his teamates. We just came back from almost 20 down vs the Spurs and almost won mostly cause of MKG, I dont see how anybody, coach or not, cant see the value this guy brings to our team.


Anything is better than watching Hendo fade away on a wide open shot.
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Post#1811 » by LamarMatic7 » Mon Feb 2, 2015 9:23 pm

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Post#1812 » by BlackOutBuzz » Mon Feb 2, 2015 9:38 pm

Would you believe I got a random free SI in the mail just yesterday. Great read, if I have a chance later I can summarize.
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Post#1813 » by TheKingofSting » Tue Feb 3, 2015 2:54 am

Another double double for MKG. I wish he would have hit his Free Throws though.
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Post#1814 » by yosemiteben » Tue Feb 3, 2015 6:01 pm

This season we are 3 - 11 without MKG,(and 16 - 16 with him). Last season we were 7 - 12 without him (and 33 - 29 with him).

This season we are 5 - 1 without Kemba. Last season we were 5 - 4 without him.

This season we are 6 - 3 without Al. Last season we were 5 - 4 without him.

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Post#1815 » by fatlever » Tue Feb 3, 2015 6:08 pm

Over past two years

10-23 w/out MKG
54-43 w/ MKG

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Post#1816 » by mrknowitall215 » Tue Feb 3, 2015 6:08 pm

I'll be the first to tell you that MKG is one of the very few impactful and legitimate difference makers on the floor that this team has, but those records without him only tell me how porous our depth at the wing position is
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Post#1817 » by yosemiteben » Tue Feb 3, 2015 6:15 pm

mrknowitall215 wrote:I'll be the first to tell you that MKG is one of the very few impactful and legitimate difference makers on the floor that this team has, but those records without him only tell me how porous our depth at the wing position is

So is there a greater drop off from MKG to our backup wings over the last two years than from Kemba or Al to their backups?

I caveat this whole thing with the acknowledgment that you can't just tie everything to him, there are more factors at play. With that said, I challenge anyone to find a stronger indicator of value.
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Post#1818 » by mrknowitall215 » Tue Feb 3, 2015 6:36 pm

yosemiteben wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:I'll be the first to tell you that MKG is one of the very few impactful and legitimate difference makers on the floor that this team has, but those records without him only tell me how porous our depth at the wing position is

So is there a greater drop off from MKG to our backup wings over the last two years than from Kemba or Al to their backups?

I caveat this whole thing with the acknowledgment that you can't just tie everything to him, there are more factors at play. With that said, I challenge anyone to find a stronger indicator of value.


Yes, there's a greater drop off from MKG to our backup wings than Kemba/Al backups. MKG's backup(s) has been Jeff Taylor, Gary Neal, and/or this distorted version of Lance Stephenson who happens to be the worst net player in the normal rotation
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Post#1819 » by BeesWax » Tue Feb 3, 2015 6:42 pm

mrknowitall215 wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:I'll be the first to tell you that MKG is one of the very few impactful and legitimate difference makers on the floor that this team has, but those records without him only tell me how porous our depth at the wing position is

So is there a greater drop off from MKG to our backup wings over the last two years than from Kemba or Al to their backups?

I caveat this whole thing with the acknowledgment that you can't just tie everything to him, there are more factors at play. With that said, I challenge anyone to find a stronger indicator of value.


Yes, there's a greater drop off from MKG to our backup wings than Kemba/Al backups. MKG's backup(s) has been Jeff Taylor, Gary Neal, and/or this distorted version of Lance Stephenson who happens to be the worst net player in the normal rotation

You could argue that he was the one guy in the starting lineup in the beginning of the season playing better than whoever backed him up. Kemba was struggling as was Lance and then Al was hurting us.
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Post#1820 » by yosemiteben » Tue Feb 3, 2015 6:52 pm

mrknowitall215 wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:I'll be the first to tell you that MKG is one of the very few impactful and legitimate difference makers on the floor that this team has, but those records without him only tell me how porous our depth at the wing position is

So is there a greater drop off from MKG to our backup wings over the last two years than from Kemba or Al to their backups?

I caveat this whole thing with the acknowledgment that you can't just tie everything to him, there are more factors at play. With that said, I challenge anyone to find a stronger indicator of value.


Yes, there's a greater drop off from MKG to our backup wings than Kemba/Al backups. MKG's backup(s) has been Jeff Taylor, Gary Neal, and/or this distorted version of Lance Stephenson who happens to be the worst net player in the normal rotation

Fair point, though Kemba had Luke Ridnour backing him up last season.

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