Trade Targets (postcript on yesterday-other teams)

[Giannis Parker]

Lawson seems to be the most logical to me still. Perfect fit for this team. Lawson and Hickson for Knight/LAC 1st/Ersan would be perfect for this team. Don't know if it's enticing enough for Denver, but I do know they are desperate to shake up the roster.

I do not undestand this notion that Lawson is a perfect fit.

Needs for Kidds system: Defense at all positions, willingness to move the ball, effort/hustle.

Lawson lacks in effort/hustle and defense. He is willing to move the ball, but not in the manner that would deem him successful in Kidds system as Kidd wants quick movement, not sit and wait for curlers and screens and hit the open guy.

Maybe Lawson can pick the system up, but he is arguably one of the worst defensive guards in the league and would be an instant net negative to this teams defense.

[emunney]

Can't trade with Brooklyn.

[Prince12]

No I don't think we would, don't want NCW. I'd do that Houston deal.

Any interest in Taj Gibsons remaining 2/17? Rumours are he's unhappy in Chicago and I'd be at least offering Henson and see what else they are interested in. I don't know what they'd expect in return and his contract may put off some but he's certainly an upgrade over Henson by virtue of not being afraid of body contact.

They'd probably demand Middleton for Taj.

I don't want him that much.

[Giannis Parker]

I'd like to see if Brooklyn is ready to move on from Sergey Karasev. Seems like he's got skills that Kidd could work with.

Gotta wait until the summer until we can trade with Brooklyn

[Ruzious]

Lawson seems to be the most logical to me still. Perfect fit for this team. Lawson and Hickson for Knight/LAC 1st/Ersan would be perfect for this team. Don't know if it's enticing enough for Denver, but I do know they are desperate to shake up the roster.

I do not undestand this notion that Lawson is a perfect fit.

Needs for Kidds system: Defense at all positions, willingness to move the ball, effort/hustle.

Lawson lacks in effort/hustle and defense. He is willing to move the ball, but not in the manner that would deem him successful in Kidds system as Kidd wants quick movement, not sit and wait for curlers and screens and hit the open guy.

Maybe Lawson can pick the system up, but he is arguably one of the worst defensive guards in the league and would be an instant net negative to this teams defense.

I don't buy any of that. Lawson is the caliber of player that he will fit in pretty much every system. He'd be more than fine in Milwaukee.

[jakecronus8]

The downgrade from Lawson to Knight defensively would be minimal. Knight is overly aggressive trying for steals and is often out of position on ball swings allowing easy looks at 3's. Not at all worried especially given our D is more about team scheme. The crazy effect he would have on the offense and ball movement far outweighs anything we would lose defensively.

[ampd]

I think we need to go and get a player at PF who can give us 9-11 efficient points and one who can get rebounds at a successful rate.

I think Monroe, Faried, Favors, Sully, DMO, and maybe Ed Davis should be the guys we target. But I am not giving up any of Knight, Marshall, Middleton, Giannis, Jabari, or Henson to get it done. I like Dudley starting at PF, but if we could bring him off the bench for 15-18mpg that would be optimal and really give us another edge.

My favorites on that list are Faried, Sully, and Favors. Not sure what their going price is atm.

I think anyone we target who isn't a rental should be someone who can at least play some spot minutes at C, which is our biggest position of weakness. Which to me excludes Faried.

Favors, DMO, Monroe, Jordan Hill, etc can all play both positions, and having the ability to play a bigger lineup if we wanted to would add that to Kidd's arsenal too.

The two best fits to me are DMO and Monroe, but I have no idea what it would take to get either of them. I'm not parting with any of Knight / Middleton / Jabari / Giannis for those guys unless we are absolutely crushing them in the trade, and I'm sure any call to Houston would at least start there. I'd be willing to give up Henson though, I just can't see any scenario where I'm comfortable paying him a large sum of money. He seems like a prime candidate to crater after he gets paid.

[mcfromage]

As a Favors fan, this is something I'd support:

Henson + Ersan + our 2015 1st (or the Clips 1st if they'd do it) for Favors.

Anyone else? Seems like a core of Knight/Middleton/Giannis/Jabari/Favors could be really good for really long. Favors is still just 23.

[Dcebucks11]

As a Favors fan, this is something I'd support:

Henson + Ersan + our 2015 1st (or the Clips 1st if they'd do it) for Favors.

Anyone else? Seems like a core of Knight/Middleton/Giannis/Jabari/Favors could be really good for really long. Favors is still just 23.

everyone here would do that. jazz wouldn't.. I think greg monroe is easier to get, he's not too far off from Favors.. Playing out of position in Detroit cuz of drummond obviously.

[eagle13]

As a Favors fan, this is something I'd support:

Henson + Ersan + our 2015 1st (or the Clips 1st if they'd do it) for Favors.

Anyone else? Seems like a core of Knight/Middleton/Giannis/Jabari/Favors could be really good for really long. Favors is still just 23.

it would be great for us but jazz doesn't even sniff that

[mcfromage]

What else could we give to land Favors? 2015 1st + Clips future 1st?

[Dcebucks11]

What else could we give to land Favors? 2015 1st + Clips future 1st?

nothing the bucks should give up. Probably be asking for Jabari or giannis

[Bernman]

I'll try to spruce up PP's proposal from before to be more plausible all-around I think:

Bucks Incoming: Tywon Lawson, Darrel Arthur
Bucks Outgoing: Brandon Knight, Ersan Ilyasova, Bucks' 2017 1st (lotto protected)

Nuggets Incoming: Trey Burke, Enes Kanter, Bucks' 2017 1st (lotto protected)
Nuggets outgoing: Tywon Lawson, Darrel Arthur

Jazz incoming: Brandon Knight, Ersan Ilyasova, whining of Aussie homers that Exum isn't handling the ball enough cuz of Knight
Jazz outgoing: Enes Kanter, Trey Burke

[jakecronus8]

That's pretty bad for the Jazz.

[Bernman]

I disagree. Knight is probably the best player in the deal ability-wise right now, and think about the comparative fit of Knight and Ersan to their outgoing players. Exum should force Knight to play the game more the way he should, and Ersan complements Gobert and Favors really well with his shooting and ability to match up with 4's.

You know, Burke does have a ts% of 47 right now with under 5 assists and isn't a good defender. I think this would balance the Utah roster quite nicely and make them better, actually.

[DH34Phan]

I'd say that 1st rounder should go to Utah, then that deal would be pretty fair all around IMO.

[Bernman]

Another fleshed out proposal from b4:

Bucks incoming: Greg Monroe
Bucks outgoing: John Henson, JOB, Bucks' 2015 2nd

Pistons incoming: Evan Fournier, JOB, Bucks' 2015 2nd
Pistons outgoing: Greg Monroe

Magic incoming: John Henson
Magic outgoing: Evan Fournier

[blazza18]

Why not just wait until the offseason to get Monroe ? No need to give up assets for him then.

[Matches Malone]

I've been against adding Monroe but I'm starting to come around. He is a low post scorer and can pass the ball. That fits Kidds system well and gives us a much needed low post presence.

[Bernman]

I'd say that 1st rounder should go to Utah, then that deal would be pretty fair all around IMO.

Well, the important part is if our portion is balanced enough. If so, a deal should get done one way or another. It's just a matter of working out the details with other teams.

Why not just wait until the offseason to get Monroe ? No need to give up assets for him then.

I don't view Henson as much of an asset, but other teams might with his length and gaudy numbers he puts up here and there. I also don't see JOB as even an NBA player, and one 2nd rd pick is a marginal asset.

From my point of view, might as well get Monroe this season to improve our chances of getting out of the 1st rd for the 1st time in almost 15 years. We'd also acquire his bird rights to be able to give him a 5th year if we like how he complements our core when we see it in action. We'd be just projecting and wouldn't have that leverage of a 5th year if we signed him as an fa.