The Push For George Karl [Merged]

ButchMcRae · Post #61 » by **ButchMcRae** » Sat Feb 7, 2015 12:15 am

I hope front office makes their decision sooner then later. How often do a solidified coach come out and say they want to coach your team with a losing record

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ezzzp · Post #62 » by **ezzzp** » Sat Feb 7, 2015 1:10 am

with 30 games left in the season - which is better:

(1) finish the tank with Borrego - hire new coach in the offseason - end up with a top 5 pick...that means we add one of these guys to the roster:

(2) hire George Karl - he likely turns things around enough to get us close to an 9-10th seed - and we end up with a mid lottery pick ...that means we end up with:

I like Karl, but this team flat out needs more talent ...and while he may squeeze out every inch from the little talent we do have, he will simultaneously cause us not to be able to land the top talent we need. Who fkn cares if we challenge for the 9th seed.

Destin · Post #63 » by **Destin** » Sat Feb 7, 2015 1:20 am

For god's sake hire George Karl. It's a no brainer. He can teach our kids AND our franchise so much. Sure, he is old.. but I say we roll the dice. Our team and franchise is a bunch of nobodys at the moment.. we need this shot in the arm very badly.

fendilim · Post #64 » by **fendilim** » Sat Feb 7, 2015 1:21 am

25 years, no rings. Can he get that ring with us?

Destin · Post #65 » by **Destin** » Sat Feb 7, 2015 1:23 am

ezzzp - you kind of suck as a fan. I, as a fan do not like watching my team lose every fkin night. I do not give a crap about the lottery. I want to see this team win now.

Destin · Post #66 » by **Destin** » Sat Feb 7, 2015 1:25 am

Sorry, but watching a 50+ win magic season with no rings is a LOT more enjoyable than watching the garbage we are watching now for the past 3

MellowRose · Post #67 » by **MellowRose** » Sat Feb 7, 2015 1:28 am

Do it for gramps tobias

ezzzp · Post #68 » by **ezzzp** » Sat Feb 7, 2015 1:36 am

Destin wrote:ezzzp - you kind of suck as a fan. I, as a fan do not like watching my team lose every fkin night. I do not give a crap about the lottery. I want to see this team win now.

Destin, you're kind of not very intelligent as a fan. I as a fan of the Magic since day 1, do not want to watch my team be stuck on a treadmill of mediocrity for a decade because it blew its last opportunity to draft a franchise player.

Do some research, and educate yourself on how rare it is for teams that do not draft a franchise player get to contention level. We need talent (big picture) not the instant gratification of a handful of meaningless wins.

pogiro · Post #69 » by **pogiro** » Sat Feb 7, 2015 1:40 am

Destin wrote:ezzzp - you kind of suck as a fan. I, as a fan do not like watching my team lose every fkin night. I do not give a crap about the lottery. I want to see this team win now.

I just don't get fans like you. "I want to win this team now!" Not only that but getting on other fans for hoping for a high pick to pick up a high quality rookie. Apparently you've been watching this team, and we haven't been winning. If you have been watching, it'd be pretty obvious to you that this roster is not there yet. But a player like Okafor and Towns would be a big step towards that.

So cry on, whining that we're not winning now. Just funny when fans who hate tanking get all excited come draft night.

fendilim · Post #70 » by **fendilim** » Sat Feb 7, 2015 1:40 am

ezzzp wrote:
Destin wrote:ezzzp - you kind of suck as a fan. I, as a fan do not like watching my team lose every fkin night. I do not give a crap about the lottery. I want to see this team win now.

Destin, you're kind of not very intelligent as a fan. I as a fan of the Magic since day 1, do not want to watch my team be stuck on a treadmill of mediocrity for a decade because it blew its last opportunity to draft a franchise player.

Do some research, and educate yourself on how rare it is for teams that do not draft a franchise player get to contention level. We need talent (big picture) not the instant gratification of a handful of meaningless wins.

Cant have said it any better. This is our last chance to get a franchise player.

ezzzp · Post #71 » by **ezzzp** » Sat Feb 7, 2015 1:49 am

those 50+ win seasons were with Alan Iverson, Carmelo Anthony, Kenyon Martin, Andre Miller, Marcus Camby, and Nene all entering or in the peak of their prime...

....this team doesn't even have 1/10 of that talent...

....coaches are only as good as the talent they are coaching - and right now we need way more talent to get even close to breaking the .500 mark much less 50+ regardless of who the coach is...

Destin · Post #72 » by **Destin** » Sat Feb 7, 2015 1:51 am

According to this board... we have several superstars in the making

fendilim · Post #73 » by **fendilim** » Sat Feb 7, 2015 2:29 am

Destin wrote:According to this board... we have several superstars in the making

well, what do you think?

Destin · Post #74 » by **Destin** » Sat Feb 7, 2015 2:32 am

I think this team sucks. I like Vuc and Tobias, but the rest are a bunch of garbage. Yes, I did say Oladipo is garbage. He plays stupid ass basketball. Sorry to hurt the Henny fanboys on here but this team sucks. I am simply asking for a coach with HUGE EXPERIENCE to teach our kids how to play the game of basketball and win a few more games and at least compete... I get some NBA 2K wannabe GM talking about getting a ring. Face it folks.. Orlando will NEVER get a ring. EVER. It's not in our front office's DNA to try to get one.

So help me god if we get Scotty Fng Skiles or some rookie ass coach as our next coach.. I am going ****. We desperately need EXPERIENCE in this organization... Not overpaid/has been Veterans, but someone who has been there before.

Yes, GK doesn't have a ring... but neither does the Orlando Magic.

For some reason it is Ring or Bust for the people on this board. We are not Alabama or the NE Patriots. We are the Orlando Magic.

GK could teach EVERYONE (including Henny and our idiot CEO a few things about running an NBA team in a dinky little town.)

We struggled against one of the worst teams in the NBA WITHOUT their SUPERSTAR tonight and you guys are 2nd guessing a coach like GK?

Jesus Christ.

Sensor · Post #75 » by **Sensor** » Sat Feb 7, 2015 2:48 am

pogiro wrote:
Destin wrote:ezzzp - you kind of suck as a fan. I, as a fan do not like watching my team lose every fkin night. I do not give a crap about the lottery. I want to see this team win now.

I just don't get fans like you. "I want to win this team now!" Not only that but getting on other fans for hoping for a high pick to pick up a high quality rookie. Apparently you've been watching this team, and we haven't been winning. If you have been watching, it'd be pretty obvious to you that this roster is not there yet. But a player like Okafor and Towns would be a big step towards that.

So cry on, whining that we're not winning now. Just funny when fans who hate tanking get all excited come draft night.

We live in "MERICA!!!" where instant gratisfaction is expected and when we don't get it we tend to whine and complain. It's the same reason why every year people harp on about losing weight and getting in shape yet after a few weeks not experiencing the results you want they give up. This is a loss season, we need to put us in the best position for next seasons and the seasons after. Not jump a few teams in the standings only to miss the playoffs anyways and end up with a mid round pick, thus missing out on our last chance (most likely) to get that game changing talent we're missing and end up topping out as a 1st-2nd round exit for the next 5-7 years.

tooler · Post #76 » by **tooler** » Sat Feb 7, 2015 2:57 am

Tonight's game made me see how Karl's motion offense could help this team. So many one-on-one plays, or a high pick-and-roll with no secondary action. (Yes, I realize Borrego hasn't had time to implement anything new.)

Oladipo and Payton demonstrated that they can score consistently in January. But I don't think they'll have the same impact with 5-6 guys playing "okay now your turn" every game. (Yes, I know our problem is defense.)

OrlandO · Post #77 » by **OrlandO** » Sat Feb 7, 2015 3:17 am

ezzzp wrote:those 50+ win seasons were with Alan Iverson, Carmelo Anthony, Kenyon Martin, Andre Miller, Marcus Camby, and Nene all entering or in the peak of their prime...

....this team doesn't even have 1/10 of that talent...

....coaches are only as good as the talent they are coaching - and right now we need way more talent to get even close to breaking the .500 mark much less 50+ regardless of who the coach is...

Except most of those guys were gone when he coached that team to their best record in franchise history. The year before, also without most of those guys, they had a near 50-win projected record (lockout season) as well. :wink:

Destin · Post #78 » by **Destin** » Sat Feb 7, 2015 3:28 am

ezzzp wrote:
Destin wrote:ezzzp - you kind of suck as a fan. I, as a fan do not like watching my team lose every fkin night. I do not give a crap about the lottery. I want to see this team win now

Destin, you're kind of not very intelligent as a fan. I as a fan of the Magic since day 1, do not want to watch my team be stuck on a treadmill of mediocrity for a decade because it blew its last opportunity to draft a franchise player.

Do some research, and educate yourself on how rare it is for teams that do not draft a franchise player get to contention level. We need talent (big picture) not the instant gratification of a handful of meaningless wins.

I'm not a very intelligent fan? I went to the first Orlando Magic preseason in the team's history and had season tickets to the Magic for the first 8 seasons of the Magic. My wife was a Magic Dancer the first 4 seasons. I have been to over 200 Magic Homes Games and over 60 on the road in different cities. The only reason I do not have season tickets anymore is because I moved to Destin,FL to start a business.

So this is what it comes to... let's lose on purpose and pray that we get our "franchise player?????

So you are saying that Aaron Gordon is now currently officially our "Franchise" Player? Didn't we get him in the NBA's most amazing draft ever last season?? You people on here talked about this last god damn draft for two seasons prying to get Wiggins

"Let's tank so we can get the next Lebron Wiggins" Right?? Excuse me, the next Aaron Gordon.

So, let's tank to get Aaron Gordon - who has sucked so far

so, let's tank again after the all-star break and pray that we get a top 5 who gives a **** piece.

I get it.. you are the GM on your little Nintendo 2k game and this is the best thing for our franchise.

whatever dude. You would rather teach our kids to lose then having experience in a playoff birth. And you are calling me a very not intelligent fan?

You would rather have a nobody teaching to our kids the 2nd half of the season the fundamentals of NBA tanking over a 25 year proven coach who could spring life into this franchise and teach everyone involved from the ground up on how to win?

And I am not intelligent?

You truly believe that if we tank the rest of this season that the next decade of our franchise is going to be rings and Championships because we are going to get the next "Franchise" player like Aaron Gordon in the Top 5 pick

I don't even think that the **** that you are smoking even believes the nonsense that you are telling me.

LBPTarHeel27 · Post #79 » by **LBPTarHeel27** » Sat Feb 7, 2015 3:28 am

OrlandO wrote:
ezzzp wrote:those 50+ win seasons were with Alan Iverson, Carmelo Anthony, Kenyon Martin, Andre Miller, Marcus Camby, and Nene all entering or in the peak of their prime...

....this team doesn't even have 1/10 of that talent...

....coaches are only as good as the talent they are coaching - and right now we need way more talent to get even close to breaking the .500 mark much less 50+ regardless of who the coach is...

Except most of those guys were gone when he coached that team to their best record in franchise history. The year before, also without most of those guys, they had a near 50-win projected record (lockout season) as well.

I also love the line "all entering or in the peak of their prime".

Iverson: Prime was finished.
Martin: Prime was finished.
Camby: End of Prime.
Miller: End of Prime.
Nene: Hadn't entered Prime.

CraZyPraiZ · Post #80 » by **CraZyPraiZ** » Sat Feb 7, 2015 3:29 am

George would be a calming influence. I'd love to have him come in here and teach these guys. I think he's the best option if he wants to be here. Really anyone would be an upgrade.