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Re: Draft Thread 2015: All in for Jahlil Okafor! or somebody... 

Post#141 » by Severn Hoos » Wed Jan 7, 2015 5:19 pm

Ruzious wrote:Good stuff, Sev. I pretty much agree with you. I think his size/strength will be better than average in a few years for an NBA PF. He's 19 and probably 240ish lbs now, and he was measured at 6'10.5 with shoes with a 7'1 wingspan. So, I'd guess he'll be 250 in the NBA hopefully with more muscle.


I hope so, Ruz - especially if he does end up on the Wiz somehow. I wouldn't have guessed 240, but when you're that tall, there's almost a floor that's tough to go below without being Manute levels of skinny.

And I hope that the increased strength/mass will help him on the boards, but I wonder if it will help him develop the interior side of his offense. Several times last night he tried to initiate a move at the elbow, with little success. He's so long that a few steps across the lane would get him close to the basket. But even with no-name Georgia guys defending him, he was getting pushed off his move. It just didn't look natural, like making the perfunctory post move was something he's supposed to do, but he really wanted to be out on the perimeter knocking down those beautiful jumpers.

OTOH, his FT shooting was beautiful, so having just enough moves to draw fouls and get to the line would make him an even more efficient offensive player.

Again, would love to have him, and a best case scenario could be a Ryan Anderson type - great shooting and decent to good rebounding, but I'll be very surprised if he turns into an even average post defender.
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Post#142 » by Severn Hoos » Thu Jan 8, 2015 2:06 pm

Watched the end of the Kansas game last night and came away impressed with Frank Mason. He was a lightly recruited guy out of Petersburg, VA and Massanutten Academy who got a late offer from KU. Now a Sophomore, he has taken on the starting PG role for the Jayhawks, and has had a solid start to the season.

So far, he is averaging 12 points, 4.2 Assists, and 3.8 Rebounds, while shooting .491 / .514 / .846.
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He's just 5'11, so not likely to ever be a full time starter at PG in the NBA, but could be a very capable backup/sparkplug off the bench. Interestingly, he was knocked as a recruit both for being a small "combo" guard (read: not a true PG) and for not being a very good shooter. Well, watching him last night and looking at the stats (small sample size), he looks like a true PG by college standards (4+ assists, 2:1 A/TO ratio), but also a very good shooter - including from the FT line.

I doubt he goes into this year's draft, and think it would be a mistake if he did. But he'd be one I'd keep my eye on as a possible answer to our backup PG question, especially given that his size would actually be an asset for those games where Wall has to work extra hard keeping up with the little guys.

It'll be fun to watch him the rest of this year to see if he can keep up the production in conference play.
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Re: Draft Thread 2015: All in for Jahlil Okafor! or somebody... 

Post#143 » by gambitx777 » Mon Jan 12, 2015 8:27 am

Frank kaminsky was out today, Concussion if misses a few it could hurt his stock, that would help the wiz grab him a lot.
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Post#145 » by Ruzious » Mon Jan 26, 2015 7:11 pm

gambitx777 wrote:Frank kaminsky was out today, Concussion if misses a few it could hurt his stock, that would help the wiz grab him a lot.

He'd be a heckuva fit - legit 7 footer with 3 point range, skilled with a high BB IQ, and a better athlete than given credit for. He'll get bullied some on defense his first few seasons, but hopefully he can add some muscle over the years. I think he's slightly better than Olynyk was as a prospect.
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Post#146 » by Ruzious » Mon Jan 26, 2015 7:17 pm


I'd be perfectly okay with who they have us pick - Jerian Grant - a big PG who can also play off the ball - but they have us passing on Tyus Jones - and there's no way I pick Grant over Jones. Neither of them are great athletes, and they play smart, but Jones has "it" imo. He's small and not super-fast, but he's just really good at playing basketball. I'm still guessing we end up with Bobby Portis.
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Re: Draft Thread 2015: All in for Jahlil Okafor! or somebody... 

Post#147 » by Earth2Ted » Tue Jan 27, 2015 2:49 am

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SUPERBALLMAN wrote:Makes sense, guys like Dakari Johnson move up and Kaminski falls. We'll see, but he sure seems like a good fit for this team.

If he does go before we can grab him, I would say Wood and Upshaw should be our next go too targets, wood could go early too though if he does come out. Upshaw is a great fit too But his offensive game need a lot more work. Same issue with wood plus wood needs to add a lot of bulk.

Just checked out Upshaw's stats and was blown away. Plus, he's listed at 7 foot, 264 with a 7'4 wingspan. Seems to have come out of nowhere somewhat like Olynyk 2 years ago - stunk 2 years ago as a freshman for another school and must have used the year off very wisely. And he's only 20. I need to watch him play. http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Rob ... 447/stats/ bizarre how different his per 40 stats are from his pace adjusted per 40 stats - U of Washington must play at a very fast pace.
Edit - First time watching him https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8zfKVm24VQ he's a big-time rim protector.


Uh oh... ESPN reporting Upshaw just got kicked off the team for violating team rules, sources saying that it is failed drug tests.

Looks like he may have a little case of Larry Sanders syndrome, whatever that may be...

He will almost certainly get a shot somewhere in the NBA, but almost certainly not with the Wizards...
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Post#148 » by gambitx777 » Tue Jan 27, 2015 8:06 am

Thats a real bad break for him but perfect for a team like the Wizards who could really use him, depending on the drug and his relationship with said drug, it might not be as big a deal as it looks. This could allow the wiz to draft a guy in the first round and pick up upshaw after the draft. a first round talent for almost nothing! I am in not way belittling a failed drug test but this kid is really really good, he will play in the nba!
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Post#149 » by Ruzious » Tue Jan 27, 2015 2:16 pm

Earth2Ted wrote:
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gambitx777 wrote:If he does go before we can grab him, I would say Wood and Upshaw should be our next go too targets, wood could go early too though if he does come out. Upshaw is a great fit too But his offensive game need a lot more work. Same issue with wood plus wood needs to add a lot of bulk.

Just checked out Upshaw's stats and was blown away. Plus, he's listed at 7 foot, 264 with a 7'4 wingspan. Seems to have come out of nowhere somewhat like Olynyk 2 years ago - stunk 2 years ago as a freshman for another school and must have used the year off very wisely. And he's only 20. I need to watch him play. http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Rob ... 447/stats/ bizarre how different his per 40 stats are from his pace adjusted per 40 stats - U of Washington must play at a very fast pace.
Edit - First time watching him https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8zfKVm24VQ he's a big-time rim protector.


Uh oh... ESPN reporting Upshaw just got kicked off the team for violating team rules, sources saying that it is failed drug tests.

Looks like he may have a little case of Larry Sanders syndrome, whatever that may be...

He will almost certainly get a shot somewhere in the NBA, but almost certainly not with the Wizards...

Apparently it's multiple drug tests - and he's had issues in the past. I agree - there's little to no chance the Wiz take a shot at someone with his background - given what they've said about the type of people they want on the team. What a waste.
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Post#150 » by FAH1223 » Wed Jan 28, 2015 7:06 pm

Man, I wish we had a front office that knew how to draft.
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Post#151 » by Ruzious » Wed Jan 28, 2015 11:42 pm

A good late 2nd rounder for the Wiz might be Ryan Boatright - the little guard on UConn. He's not really a PG or a SG, but he's superfast and aggressive. Sometimes that aggressiveness is a problem, but if he works on his 3 point range, he's got a chance to be good.
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Post#152 » by doclinkin » Thu Jan 29, 2015 12:43 pm

Kris Dunn, PG Providence. Kid is a stat stuffer, has good metrics in all the 'smarts' stats I look at to assess BBIQ. Playing well in a medium-tough schedule though has only played one ranked team in Kentucky (loss, played poorly). Worth keeping an eye on.
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Post#153 » by Ruzious » Thu Jan 29, 2015 2:14 pm

And Doc's guy Jerian Grant showed greatness against Duke last night - making huge play after huge play at both ends of the court - going against great competition. His block near the end was probably his biggest play. He's not the best athlete even in his family, but a PG has his size and length, he can make plays that other PGs can't. The unfortunate thing is - he's probably shot up so that he'll go before the Wiz pick.
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Post#154 » by Severn Hoos » Thu Jan 29, 2015 9:26 pm

Ruzious wrote:And Doc's guy Jerian Grant showed greatness against Duke last night - making huge play after huge play at both ends of the court - going against great competition. His block near the end was probably his biggest play. He's not the best athlete even in his family, but a PG has his size and length, he can make plays that other PGs can't. The unfortunate thing is - he's probably shot up so that he'll go before the Wiz pick.


Most of us probably don't remember the days of the territorial draft, when guys like Chamberlain, Heinsohn, and Bradley went to teams that placed a "territorial" claim based on geography.

Well, I think there should be a similar clause that allows for a team to claim the son of a former player, if said former player was a high draft pick who turned out to be a bit of a disappointment and never really lived up the the hopes and dreams of its fanbase.

And if said former player was the lesser of a pair of NBA twins, further reminding the fanbase of what they missed out on, then the team should get the son for free and keep their 1st round pick to add another player.
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Post#155 » by Ruzious » Thu Jan 29, 2015 9:37 pm

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Ruzious wrote:And Doc's guy Jerian Grant showed greatness against Duke last night - making huge play after huge play at both ends of the court - going against great competition. His block near the end was probably his biggest play. He's not the best athlete even in his family, but a PG has his size and length, he can make plays that other PGs can't. The unfortunate thing is - he's probably shot up so that he'll go before the Wiz pick.


Most of us probably don't remember the days of the territorial draft, when guys like Chamberlain, Heinsohn, and Bradley went to teams that placed a "territorial" claim based on geography.

Well, I think there should be a similar clause that allows for a team to claim the son of a former player, if said former player was a high draft pick who turned out to be a bit of a disappointment and never really lived up the the hopes and dreams of its fanbase.

And if said former player was the lesser of a pair of NBA twins, further reminding the fanbase of what they missed out on, then the team should get the son for free and keep their 1st round pick to add another player.

Wow, that's even before my time. Make it retroactive, and we might get Kevin Love - since his dad Stan was drafted by the Bullets.

They had some bizarre rules back in the day - 3 foul shots to make 2 on shooting fouls over the limit (2 to make 1 on and 1's), backcourt fouls automatically being 2 shot fouls.
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Post#156 » by jangles86 » Sun Feb 1, 2015 4:23 am

If there are no good paint protecting centers on offer at our first round pick I would like to see Terry Rozier from Louisville taken.
He is going give a team some quality back up PG time next season. He can score and really set up teamates.
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Post#157 » by nuposse04 » Sun Feb 1, 2015 4:28 am

I'm still on the Bobby Portis bandwagon, not sure he'll be there when we pick but given our current plateau of play, he may very well be. His numbers on sports reference look great but they ought to given his competition. He only takes 0.8 3s a game, but shoots 56% from distance. Hopefully he has NBA range as well. I also think hes a strong enough guy to play D well. Would love to have Nene teach him how to play defense truthfully.
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Post#158 » by The Consiglieri » Mon Feb 2, 2015 11:48 pm

Considering that we'll probably pick between 18th-23rd unless I've missed something (i think you draft by record, unless you make the conference title game (i think), seems like our slotting, if nothing else, provides access to our needs. A cursory look at nbadraft.net, and draft express reveals about 4-6 prospects at PF/C likely to go in the 15-25 window, and 1 or 2 PG's. I assume that will be how we seek to address the issue.
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Post#159 » by long suffrin' boulez fan » Sat Feb 7, 2015 8:02 pm

So, do we have a 2nd rounder this year or not? Mock drafts show our pick going to Boston
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Post#160 » by hands11 » Sat Feb 7, 2015 10:13 pm

payitforward wrote:What's the view here on Kennedy Meeks?

(More likely to be available to us than either Upshaw or Portis, I think)

Rakeem Christmas was bad for 3 years but is having a very good senior year. Thing is, I'd rather have Birch. Doesn't look like Miami has his rights any more (?), and he's just *killing it* in the D-League. Wish he was on the team right now (instead of Rice).

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Been calling for Birch since last draft when I went looking for cheap PFs for us. Didn't have a lot of takers back then.

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