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Re: NBA Games Discussion Thread - Part 3 

Post#181 » by hands11 » Sat Feb 7, 2015 6:37 pm

nate33 wrote:Here's a sample of our shot chart, this one from the 3rd quarter of our Atlanta game earlier this week:

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And that is where the problem is. Its coaching. Every game thread I harp on this and post an updated three point attempts total throwout the game. Almost every game the other team doubles our production quarter by quarter. And its that way from the first quarter onward.

2 vs 3
None motion offense
Catching the ball moving away from the basket
No PnR to Gortat
No more back picks and skip passes to open 3 corner threes.
Beal being way to inefficient with the ball once he touches it.
And not nearly enough 3 ball attempts given where the league has moved to. Specially this year. The 3 is being shot more by almost every team. Us.. We shoot it less this year then we did last year.

Its way more coaching then personnel. We have 3 pt shooters. We were one of the best in the league last year and Wall is one of the best at getting shooters open looks. We even lead the league in 3 ball efficiency this year earlier. We just didn't shoot enough of them.

Its a total failure of coaching. We should be lighting teams up offensively. What the hell does Newman do on this team again. He was a SAS coach. Is Randy completely ignoring him ? He has to be pointing this out. Right ?
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Post#182 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sat Feb 7, 2015 6:39 pm

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TGW wrote:Anyone who says that Cousins isn't a reason the Kings stink is in denial:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YsIisb9vhU#t=13[/youtube]


Exactly. Regardless of his numbers, he seems to have quit on his team. Is that the kind of guy we want?

Every team goes through tough stretches, so what happens when things get tough here? Can we count on him to be part of the solution, or will he just quit and get his own stats until things get better?



I want to be tactful.

Perhaps you two just don't want Cousins.

Cousins was balling before he got meningitis and the Kings only started losing after Boogie got sick. They used Cousins' absence and the team's slump to fire their good coach. Now you two want to blame Cousins. Okay. You are both wrong. No tact.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... ide01.html

I want a guy who is top three in free throw attempts and defensive rebounding percentage. Top five in PER. I want a guy who improved strongly for four years, unlike Beal or Wall. Look at Cousins' stats over time. What kind of player has he been? One that improves!

Look at his Team USA stats. Coaches who cut Wall and Beal played him more than Plumlee. Coaches selected him for the West all star game, not Damian Lillard. If you just don't like the guy, fine. But TGW, you say he's why the Kings suck... I say BS. You are flat wrong. As wrong as wrong gets.

READ BELOW LINK AND THEN TRY AND JUSTIFY YOUR OPINION.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_ ... position/9

WHO IS NUMBER ONE IN TRUE PLUS MINUS AMONG ALL CENTERS?

He is ahead of Marc Gasol, Hassan Whiteside, Rudy Gobert. Explain how he is a reason the Kings suck? Why would you not want him again?
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Re: NBA Games Discussion Thread - Part 3 

Post#183 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sat Feb 7, 2015 7:13 pm

TGW and LR, here is what the two of you might want to consider: Teammates around Demarcus Cousins.

How did John Wall play alongside Blatche, McGee, Nick Young, and Jordan Crawford? How successful was his team?

Cousins is playing with whom? Who else on the Kings can play? Do the Raptors miss Rudy Gay?

How do you suppose Cousins would be with teammates like Pierce, Wall, Humprhies and Nene?

The first thing you would notice is how great a passer Cousins is.
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Post#184 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sat Feb 7, 2015 7:32 pm

Last thing on Cousins is how he has regressed under Ty Corbin vs Mike Malone.

http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2015/2/4/ ... one-corbin

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Re: NBA Games Discussion Thread - Part 3 

Post#185 » by TGW » Sat Feb 7, 2015 8:21 pm

First of all, I said Cousins is a reason—not the reason—the Kings stink. You can post as many stats as you want CCJ, but his poor body language and attitude is infectious.

Secondly, don't compare Wall and Cousins. Wall makes his teammates much better than they actually are. I'm not seeing Cousins making anyone of his teammates look good.
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Re: NBA Games Discussion Thread - Part 3 

Post#186 » by LyricalRico » Sat Feb 7, 2015 8:48 pm

TGW wrote:First of all, I said Cousins is a reason—not the reason—the Kings stink. You can post as many stats as you want CCJ, but his poor body language and attitude is infectious.

Secondly, don't compare Wall and Cousins. Wall makes his teammates much better than they actually are. I'm not seeing Cousins making anyone of his teammates look good.


Exactly. Cousins isn't Sacto's biggest problem, but his character seems to be suspect and I think that has to be a huge consideration. Especially considering how mich we'd have to give up to get him.
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Re: NBA Games Discussion Thread - Part 3 

Post#187 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sat Feb 7, 2015 9:42 pm

TGW wrote:First of all, I said Cousins is a reason—not the reason—the Kings stink. You can post as many stats as you want CCJ, but his poor body language and attitude is infectious.

Secondly, don't compare Wall and Cousins. Wall makes his teammates much better than they actually are. I'm not seeing Cousins making anyone of his teammates look good.


Poor body language and attitude are subjective.

Infectious ... only with weak, impressionable, sorry teammates and poor coaching.

Wall has been on the court for five straight losses and 8 out of 12. Who's playing better right now because of Wall? You're not seeing Wall make teammates any better than Cousins does. Has Wall made Beal or Porter better? Is he making Gortat better? How about Nene.

TGW, I put stats which are factual to blast your fallacious, derogatory, subjective, weak opinion to shame and you just don't want to be informed so stay right where you are. MISINFORMED.
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Re: NBA Games Discussion Thread - Part 3 

Post#188 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sat Feb 7, 2015 9:43 pm

LyricalRico wrote:
TGW wrote:First of all, I said Cousins is a reason—not the reason—the Kings stink. You can post as many stats as you want CCJ, but his poor body language and attitude is infectious.

Secondly, don't compare Wall and Cousins. Wall makes his teammates much better than they actually are. I'm not seeing Cousins making anyone of his teammates look good.


Exactly. Cousins isn't Sacto's biggest problem, but his character seems to be suspect and I think that has to be a huge consideration. Especially considering how mich we'd have to give up to get him.


Seems to be just the opposite, since he's been voted an All Star over Damian Lillard; and he played damn well on Team USA, as Wall, Beal, and Lillard watched from home.

This is what Larry Brown had to say at draft time about DeMarcus Cousins:

http://larrybrownsports.com/basketball/ ... -nba/22227

It seems as if every year around draft time in the major sports there is at least one prominent player picked on for “character issues.” Real or not, the media needs a compelling storyline to write and talk about. In the NFL this year, that player was Dez Bryant, who had issues that may have been overblown. In the NBA this year, that player has been Kentucky center DeMarcus Cousins, who’s been carrying around the dreaded “character issues” tag for quite some time.


I know if I had the pick I’d be going Cousins. I watched DeMarcus play plenty of times throughout the season with Kentucky and he was easily one of the biggest forces in college basketball. He can score, he can block shots, and can he ever rebound. In my experience, the one skill that translates the best to the next level (aside from something static like free throw shooting) is rebounding. Cousins did it ferociously at the college level and I have no doubt he’ll do it well in the NBA.


I know he’s only 19-years-old and labeled as immature and difficult to coach, but I know that DeMarcus Cousins can flat out play, and that’s more important to me than the other issues.

Greg Monroe’s a passer who won’t ever be a game-changer, Derrick Favors was hyped up but I’m still waiting to see his domination, and Wes Johnson may be NBA-ready but he’s not anything special to me. DeMarcus Cousins is a difference-maker. When I see Cousins, I see a Carlos Boozer body and attitude. I see a guy who can make a team much much better. I see a guy who can help turn a team around. If I were drafting for a team and had access to Cousins, I would make that pick.


In the clip below, I like John Thompson's quote best: You can calm down a fool easier than you can resurrect a corpse.

John Calipari said for the teams that passed over Cousins, WHEN he is still playing at age 35 he's going to remember who passed on him. Boogie will try and get 50 on those teams. He said Boogie's a great kid but not easy to coach. Said CORRECTLY that Cousins was the most unfinished player and that his best playing weight will be 275.

Once Cousins got the body fat down all you need do is look at his numbers. Watch below:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92ckgqsmDwM[/youtube]

5 years later no arrests, just an all star.

On the subject of body language, go back and watch Moses Malone and Jim Brown. Wes Unseld and Elvin Hayes, too, for that matter. Neither was perky or full of positive energy IMO.
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Re: NBA Games Discussion Thread - Part 3 

Post#189 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sat Feb 7, 2015 10:16 pm

http://www.nba.com/games/20150206/PHIBOS/gameinfo.html

NICE DEBUT

Frazier, signed from the NBA Development League, had 11 assists in 34 1/2 minutes. He was undrafted. "Didn't (feel real) until I got on the court," he said.


Eleven assists with only 2 turnovers is a sweet debut. Also, Frazier had 5 rebounds and 2 steals.

Negatives were 1-5 FTs and 2-9 FG shooting.

For the record, a few of us said we'd much rather add a rookie like Frazier than an older player like Ray Allen.
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Post#190 » by Kanyewest » Sat Feb 7, 2015 10:56 pm

I have to agree with CCJ, Cousins is a great player. The problem with the Kings is the talent around Cousins and the weird firing that they had. Tyrone Corbin was one of the worst coaches in the league with and I'm not sure why Sacramento hired him other than to tank for a lottery pick.
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Post#191 » by TGW » Sun Feb 8, 2015 1:44 am

"5 years later no arrests, just an all star."

Also, 5 years later, no playoffs. I'd say there's a bit of a correlation there.

Jason Terry on Cousins this past summer: “DeMarcus Cousins, a huge talent. Attitude, a little shaky."

I'd say that's a valid description of the guy.
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Re: NBA Games Discussion Thread - Part 3 

Post#192 » by FAH1223 » Sun Feb 8, 2015 2:37 am

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Post#193 » by closg00 » Sun Feb 8, 2015 3:42 am

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:http://www.nba.com/games/20150206/PHIBOS/gameinfo.html

NICE DEBUT

Frazier, signed from the NBA Development League, had 11 assists in 34 1/2 minutes. He was undrafted. "Didn't (feel real) until I got on the court," he said.


Eleven assists with only 2 turnovers is a sweet debut. Also, Frazier had 5 rebounds and 2 steals.

Negatives were 1-5 FTs and 2-9 FG shooting.

For the record, a few of us said we'd much rather add a rookie like Frazier than an older player like Ray Allen.


Frazier had another poor shooting night, but he guided Philly to a win tonight, he also had the highest +/-
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Post#194 » by Illmatic12 » Sun Feb 8, 2015 3:47 am

Starting to think Cousins could end up being more attainable than Durant.. trust me, that dude will want out SOON and he has a direct pipeline to #2 on the Wizards
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Post#195 » by JWizmentality » Sun Feb 8, 2015 3:49 am

FAH1223 wrote::o



I'm actually surprised that doesn't happen more often.
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Post#196 » by JWizmentality » Sun Feb 8, 2015 3:50 am

Ofcourse the 76ers beat Charlotte. It only makes sense. :lol:
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Post#197 » by tontoz » Sun Feb 8, 2015 2:12 pm

Harden is averaging 27 pts with 6.7 assists and 5.5 rebounds with a TS of 61%. He is really beasting.
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Post#198 » by nate33 » Sun Feb 8, 2015 2:59 pm

Illmatic12 wrote:Starting to think Cousins could end up being more attainable than Durant.. trust me, that dude will want out SOON and he has a direct pipeline to #2 on the Wizards

It's just really, really hard to actually acquire him though. We'd definitely have to give up Gortat, Beal, possibly Porter, and a bunch of future 1sts. The allure of Durant is that we won't have to give up anything to get him (other than being disciplined in our cap management for the next 1.5 years).

Don't get me wrong. If an opportunity to acquire Cousins arises, I'm definitely interested. I'd give Gortat, Beal and two future 1sts for him right now.
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Post#199 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sun Feb 8, 2015 6:47 pm

That offer might be enough to get it done.

Imagine the Wizards starting Wall, Porter, Pierce, Nene and Cousins!

That's a good team.
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Post#200 » by dlts20 » Sun Feb 8, 2015 6:57 pm

OKC just played an extended stretch with KD at the 4. Witt never does that. The floor was so spread. I sometimes envision KD here and playing the 4 some in the East. Wall would be a monster

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