Official Trade Thread: The Block Is Hot!!

[Revived]

I'd still do Thomas, Tucker and Goodwin for Deng, McRoberts and Chalmers.

Sure we might be trading for 50 cents on the dollar, but it alleviates all of our rotation issues and puts guys back into the roles where they excel. Plus, we have at least two rotation players at each position, and at least one vet and one young developing guy at each spot too.

Goran
Bledsoe
Deng
Markieff
Len

Main bench: Green, Marcus, Wright
9th/10th: Chalmers, McRoberts

Development: Ennis, Zoran, Warren, Plumlee

- Deng is the vet presence we need to steady the ship. We get a couple good years out of him before Warren inherits his place. Great mentor for the young guys, too.
- McBob is a tough stretch PF that can rebound and could be a decent reclamation project after his recent injuries.
- Chalmers is a solid on ball defender who unlike our other guys excels when put in off ball, catch and shoot situations and not asked to do more than his abilities allow. He'd be good in the old Ish Smith role for 10 mins per night.

Miami gets sorely needed dynamic talent in Thomas, toughness at the SF in Tucker, and a project that could eventually replace Wade at SG.

I'd like Deng and all, but i dont think he would push over over the top and make us true contenders. With that in mind, you also have to look at the fact that he only has a player option next season, and a somewhat cheap one at that ($10M). I think if we did trade for him, he would end up opting out and taking his talents elsewhere. If that happened, we just gave up some great trade chips for a full year of Chalmers and an overpaid often injured McBob long-term.

I'd pass.

I agree with you on Deng but do you really consider Tucker and IT trade chips?

[Frank Lee]

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yup... might have to wait for monsoon season after all

Did you just go from there will definitely be a trade to it is impossible to have one in the same post? I was just going to thank you for making me feel a bit more optimistic. Way to go Frank....

Haha, I guess I did.... what I meant was , even though a shake up is needed IMO, we wont be able to trade IT or the MoBros, and when we decide to trade Dragic, its best to wait till the off season..... Dez sums up the rest...

Other than Green for a pick nothing really sounds realistic. Can't really think of an attainable player who would be a) a significant upgrade 1-5 and b) under control financially. Obviously Cousins is being brought up but the Kings would fleece us defeating the purpose.

[Qwigglez]

I'd still do Thomas, Tucker and Goodwin for Deng, McRoberts and Chalmers.

Sure we might be trading for 50 cents on the dollar, but it alleviates all of our rotation issues and puts guys back into the roles where they excel. Plus, we have at least two rotation players at each position, and at least one vet and one young developing guy at each spot too.

Goran
Bledsoe
Deng
Markieff
Len

Main bench: Green, Marcus, Wright
9th/10th: Chalmers, McRoberts

Development: Ennis, Zoran, Warren, Plumlee

- Deng is the vet presence we need to steady the ship. We get a couple good years out of him before Warren inherits his place. Great mentor for the young guys, too.
- McBob is a tough stretch PF that can rebound and could be a decent reclamation project after his recent injuries.
- Chalmers is a solid on ball defender who unlike our other guys excels when put in off ball, catch and shoot situations and not asked to do more than his abilities allow. He'd be good in the old Ish Smith role for 10 mins per night.

Miami gets sorely needed dynamic talent in Thomas, toughness at the SF in Tucker, and a project that could eventually replace Wade at SG.

I don't know why so many people are against this. I would do it just for the salary dump of Tucker/IT. Keep Goodwin though.

[SlovenianDragon]

Players I would trade are Dragic, IT, Green, Tucker................

Dragic because we may lose him for nothing.

IT because if we lose Dragic I don't think IT and Bledsoe are a good starting duo.

Green and Tucker because we have bullock, Warren and Goodwin.

We are in the 2nd year of our rebuild. But I don't think a lot of people understand that. But atm we are going in the wrong direction I think.

Minus whoever we trade for this is what I want to see:

Bledsoe/Ennis
Goodwin/Bullock
Warren/Marcus
Kief/Wright
Len/Plumlee

Just my opinion.

[mybloodisorange]

The real question is....if by some miracle we end up getting the top 5 protected Laker pick at 6-9 are you willing to use that as a trade chip or do we continue drafting more youngsters?

We do also have the option of just letting Goran & Gerald both expire and not resign giving us some nice cap space which is always an asset. I see Greens production as being completely replaceable by Warren next year just on a cheaper contract. Losing Dragic would hurt more but we would avoid the huge deal he's going to want this summer. Food for thought.

[AtheJ415]

The real question is....if by some miracle we end up getting the top 5 protected Laker pick at 6-9 are you willing to use that as a trade chip or do we continue drafting more youngsters?

We do also have the option of just letting Goran & Gerald both expire and not resign giving us some nice cap space which is always an asset. I see Greens production as being completely replaceable by Warren next year just on a cheaper contract. Losing Dragic would hurt more but we would avoid the huge deal he's going to want this summer. Food for thought.

I'd rather trade Green for a future pick at this point. Even just a late 2nd.

Goran is too good to let walk. I get that we could have cap space, but I'd rather re-sign him and then trade him during next season and get that cap space for the following season.

[Saberestar]

The real question is....if by some miracle we end up getting the top 5 protected Laker pick at 6-9 are you willing to use that as a trade chip or do we continue drafting more youngsters?
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No way, Lakers are tanking really hard for the rest of the season, they don't have any reason to win. They will be top 3 at the bottom of the league.

[King4Day]

The real question is....if by some miracle we end up getting the top 5 protected Laker pick at 6-9 are you willing to use that as a trade chip or do we continue drafting more youngsters?

We do also have the option of just letting Goran & Gerald both expire and not resign giving us some nice cap space which is always an asset. I see Greens production as being completely replaceable by Warren next year just on a cheaper contract. Losing Dragic would hurt more but we would avoid the huge deal he's going to want this summer. Food for thought.

I would for a Gordon Hayward type player

[WeekapaugGroove]

I'd be interested in Tobias. although I might be a little biased because the bucks are my other favorite team and I've liked him since they drafted him. As others have pointed out he has some flaws but realistically perfect players never come available. He's young and worth a gamble. He's essentially a better version of Marcus morris.

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[Kerrsed]

The real question is....if by some miracle we end up getting the top 5 protected Laker pick at 6-9 are you willing to use that as a trade chip or do we continue drafting more youngsters?

If it was for the right player(s), i would trade it without a 2nd thought. As non-contenders, everything we have is assets that we can use to get the right players that would make us contenders. I would use that pick to go after a star like Paul George or Cousins.

I'd call up the Kings and offer them DragicX2/Len/LAL 1st for Cousins/McLemore.

If they turned that down, i'd go all out with this: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mslwuvz

SAC gets: DragicX2/Len/West/LAL 1st ------ Dragic/Stauskas/Gay/West/Len
IND gets: MorrisX2/Thomas --------- Thomas/Stucky/George/Morris/Hibbert
PHX gets: Cousins/Williams/McLemore/Copeland --------- Bledsoe/Goodwin/Tucker/Williams/Cousins

Pretty much i would do whatever it takes to reunite Bledsoe with Cousins.

[Mr Puddles]

The real question is....if by some miracle we end up getting the top 5 protected Laker pick at 6-9 are you willing to use that as a trade chip or do we continue drafting more youngsters?

We do also have the option of just letting Goran & Gerald both expire and not resign giving us some nice cap space which is always an asset. I see Greens production as being completely replaceable by Warren next year just on a cheaper contract. Losing Dragic would hurt more but we would avoid the huge deal he's going to want this summer. Food for thought.

I think the opposite, McD will try to use some of our established players as assets to try and move up in the draft.

If we move up I can see us going after:

Karl-Anthony Towns: McD seems to go for potential over NBA readiness. A big who can rebound, defend and shoot from the perimeter seems to be just what this team needs. We'd probably play him as back-up center, and in the future as a PF/C in a three man big rotation (Len, Morris, Towns).

If don't move up and land 6-8:

Kristaps Porzingis: He'd be a great fit in the Suns system. High potential big that seems tailor made for our fast pace, pick and roll/pop - penetrate and kick offense. Will unfortunately not help us with our weaknesses though (at least not in the short term) as his lack of strength will be an issue on the boards and when defending stronger bigs.

Willie Cauley-Stein: Would be a great defensive back-up that moves well. Could add some much needed defensive prowess to our second unit.

Kevon Looney: The type of versatile forward that would likely play well in our system. Too much of a tweener for my taste though. I like that his last name is Looney though, make's me feel like we're adding a player from the Tune Squad and they did pretty well in that one game - granted that it's a very small sample size.

If we lose Dragic:

Mario Hezonja: Another high potential guy that should thrive in our system. Can run the floor, shoot and is athletic.

[Kerrsed]

The real question is....if by some miracle we end up getting the top 5 protected Laker pick at 6-9 are you willing to use that as a trade chip or do we continue drafting more youngsters?
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No way, Lakers are tanking really hard for the rest of the season, they don't have any reason to win. They will be top 3 at the bottom of the league.

Lakers are currently slotted for the 4th pick, but Orland is only 3 games behind them. Would be AMAZING if the Lakers with the 5th worst record and another team leapfrogged them in the lotto, thus pushing it back to #6.

Its not like this hasnt happened before, just last year the Pistons held the 8 spot and owed their pick (top 8 protected) to Charlotte. The Cavs jumped into the top 3, leaving Detroit with no pick. They had a 82% chance of keeping their pick, but it didnt happen.

[NavLDO]

The real question is....if by some miracle we end up getting the top 5 protected Laker pick at 6-9 are you willing to use that as a trade chip or do we continue drafting more youngsters?

We do also have the option of just letting Goran & Gerald both expire and not resign giving us some nice cap space which is always an asset. I see Greens production as being completely replaceable by Warren next year just on a cheaper contract. Losing Dragic would hurt more but we would avoid the huge deal he's going to want this summer. Food for thought.

The answer to your first question, for me, would be only if we received an upgrade as a starter on our team, because we should expect a high-mid lotto pick to become an eventual starter on our team, ala Len.

And as far as Goran goes, what are we realistically expecting to have to pay to keep him after this year. It seems to me that he's lowered his value this year, tbh. At the beginning of the season, we were talking about signing him at close to a Max contract, but after 2/3 of this season, to me, he's not worth more than a $10-12M per. I know I speak blasphemy and all, but realistically, he has not lived up to the play of last year, and sorry, I do not believe that IT is primarily to blame for the regression. Yes, I want to keep Dragic, I'm not saying that I don't. I'm just saying that he may very well have played himself back into a reasonable contract for us. Gun to my head--if we have to may more than $12M per to keep him, I say let another team pay him more. I won't be overly upset if we pay in the neighborhood of $13/$14M, but I also won't be upset if another team pays him that and he walks. Similar to Frye. I wanted to keep Frye, but not at $8M per for 4 years, so I'm not all that upset that the Magic took him, because lets face it, that contract is now like an anchor to them, and for a rebuilding team like the Suns, an overpay for a 28 YO non-All Star would hamper the rebuild.

[Frank Lee]

um... what again is our 'system' ?

[Fo-Real]

I'd be interested in Tobias. although I might be a little biased because the bucks are my other favorite team and I've liked him since they drafted him. As others have pointed out he has some flaws but realistically perfect players never come available. He's young and worth a gamble. He's essentially a better version of Marcus morris.

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Essentially TJ Warren is a better version of Marcus Morris. Guys, we are talking about Harris because he is an adept scorer, decent shooting percentage and rebounds his posistion well (sf) a d if greenlighted in our system could catch fire. We drafted a guy who fits that bill already and is on a rookie contract instead of us having to pay him 10 mill plus next year. If we are looking to change the look of the team then first throw Warren in the fire and see what we have.
Either way, PJ in the starter role has to come to an end, his lack of ofense limits us and his defense has not been diffrence making. Marcus seems to be trying to assert his self as a scorer and is adequate on defense (no stopper but who is?) If not throw the rook in the fire and bring Tucker off the bench as a hustle guy, he even seems to give us good minutes and rebounding at pf in small lineups.

[Barkley6]

The real question is....if by some miracle we end up getting the top 5 protected Laker pick at 6-9 are you willing to use that as a trade chip or do we continue drafting more youngsters?
.

No way, Lakers are tanking really hard for the rest of the season, they don't have any reason to win. They will be top 3 at the bottom of the league.

Lakers are currently slotted for the 4th pick, but Orland is only 3 games behind them. Would be AMAZING if the Lakers with the 5th worst record and another team leapfrogged them in the lotto, thus pushing it back to #6.

Its not like this hasnt happened before, just last year the Pistons held the 8 spot and owed their pick (top 8 protected) to Charlotte. The Cavs jumped into the top 3, leaving Detroit with no pick. They had a 82% chance of keeping their pick, but it didnt happen.

I was actually thinking about Orlando, and thinking that if we did trade for Harris, they might do a lesser deal than 'value' to help them tank out and get below the Lakers, which actually helps BOTH teams. Maybe a deal like Green, Bullock and Suns 1st for Harris? Bullock is locked up on a cheap deal, Green is an expiring contract, and our first is likely to be a top-20 pick. That likely sends Orlando to the bottom of the league, and thereby helps both teams get top 5 talent in the draft? Just a thought.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I'd be interested in Tobias. although I might be a little biased because the bucks are my other favorite team and I've liked him since they drafted him. As others have pointed out he has some flaws but realistically perfect players never come available. He's young and worth a gamble. He's essentially a better version of Marcus morris.

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Essentially TJ Warren is a better version of Marcus Morris. Guys, we are talking about Harris because he is an adept scorer, decent shooting percentage and rebounds his posistion well (sf) a d if greenlighted in our system could catch fire. We drafted a guy who fits that bill already and is on a rookie contract instead of us having to pay him 10 mill plus next year. If we are looking to change the look of the team then first throw Warren in the fire and see what we have.
Either way, PJ in the starter role has to come to an end, his lack of ofense limits us and his defense has not been diffrence making. Marcus seems to be trying to assert his self as a scorer and is adequate on defense (no stopper but who is?) If not throw the rook in the fire and bring Tucker off the bench as a hustle guy, he even seems to give us good minutes and rebounding at pf in small lineups.

yeah Warren is a comparable player I just like Harris a little more as a prospect. actually think Warren would be part of the trade to g wet him. Orlando isn't going to just give him away for scraps.

I totally understand an opinion that in that scenario we should just keep warren. But as I mentioned I'm probably a little biased and like harris more than the average fan.

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[Barkley6]

I'd be interested in Tobias. although I might be a little biased because the bucks are my other favorite team and I've liked him since they drafted him. As others have pointed out he has some flaws but realistically perfect players never come available. He's young and worth a gamble. He's essentially a better version of Marcus morris.

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Essentially TJ Warren is a better version of Marcus Morris. Guys, we are talking about Harris because he is an adept scorer, decent shooting percentage and rebounds his posistion well (sf) a d if greenlighted in our system could catch fire. We drafted a guy who fits that bill already and is on a rookie contract instead of us having to pay him 10 mill plus next year. If we are looking to change the look of the team then first throw Warren in the fire and see what we have.
Either way, PJ in the starter role has to come to an end, his lack of ofense limits us and his defense has not been diffrence making. Marcus seems to be trying to assert his self as a scorer and is adequate on defense (no stopper but who is?) If not throw the rook in the fire and bring Tucker off the bench as a hustle guy, he even seems to give us good minutes and rebounding at pf in small lineups.

The only issue here is Harris is actually doing it in the league, whereas we just THINK Warren can do it. Yeah, we all believe in TJ, and think he's going to be a good player...but that doesn't mean he actually will be. If you have the choice between proven and potential and age is not a factor (as it isn't in this case), you go with proven every single time.

[Fo-Real]

Dont get me wrong, as I have said I always liked Harris. Wished we had gotten him when he got traded. I remember his summer league before that when, anytime he was on the court, he was the best and most poised player at any given time, wise beyond his years (old school). But what we would be paying him 10 mil to do, we should make sure we are not giving the magic his replacement to do exactly what he does for them at a fraction of the price to come. They would win that trade long term if we gave them Warren.

I also agree that he has kind of proven his self as a scorer and warren has not, but before I write Warren off, he gets every opportunity ON an nba court first. Much like Harris, Warren proved in the summer league he can score and board, Warren has also gone to the D league and straight SPIT FIRE in almost every single game he played in. Kid is mature, poised (old school) and is a scorer. Its a shame that giving contracts to guys like Tucker and Marcus has kept him from getting court time.

[Sunsdeuce]

I love this article. Completely 100% correct:

http://arizonasports.com/58/1805628/The ... s-problems


"Regardless of who they are, the other two players on the floor are normally weak defensive players. With three point guards, the other two players have to guard up a level -- meaning a two on a three, three on a four and four on a five. Those players struggle in a traditional sense, let alone in handling a bad matchup.

There's also a bigger problem with the three points that no one is willing to say: none of them are point guards. Out of the three, the best point guard is Goran Dragic. Isaiah Thomas is a bench point guard. Eric Bledsoe is a two.

Goran is a natural two who understands the responsibility to create for others when he plays the point. A scoring point guard like Thomas is acceptable off the bench -- because a scoring point guard is often the best scorer off the bench -- but he's terribly over-matched as a starter.

Bledsoe is something different entirely. If Eric Bledsoe doesn't change, he will be a dream come true to those who think they understand the game of basketball. .....

Eric Bledsoe is a turnover machine who creates for himself. There's very little benefit to playing with him as a teammate because the defense always knows he'll shoot."



All said and done, the Suns HAVE to make a trade. Standing pat is not smart at all and ultimately will make this team worse. Until Tucker, IT, and Bledsoe are gone this team isn't going to get any better unless some superstar gets here!

I'm never going to change my stance. Those three are hurting this team more than helping.