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Post#501 » by drsd » Sun Feb 8, 2015 8:45 am

Orlwillbeback wrote:No to skills if he's a guy who only plays veterans.


To be fair, Dedmon is the 5th oldest Magician and he was born in 1989. There are 11 players on this roster that one must call "young." After Ridnour, Green, and Gordon-B move on, only Frye will be a veteran in a strict sense. One player.
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Post#502 » by Malik Starks » Sun Feb 8, 2015 9:35 am

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akhenaten wrote:Why do I feel like we're going to outsmart ourselves again and go with some choice no one is even thinking about, like when we hired Jacque. Even though one of the best coaches in the NBA is telling everyone who will listen that he wants to coach here.



It's very likely it can happen. All this hype about getting Karl is setting up a lot of false hope about obtain the guy when the Magic haven't even interview him yet. I say let Borrego get a shot and see where the rest of the season will go from here.



Agree, I think it's either one of the dark horse candidates or someone not even on the radar right now. If Borrego shows even a small improvement I could see them giving him a small two year deal and perhaps waiting for a preferred candidate to come free.

One thing Borrego has going for him is his experience with the Spurs, I think that counts for a lot both with Hennigan and the FO, they both idolize that organization.
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Post#503 » by Nyce_1 » Sun Feb 8, 2015 12:48 pm

If JB has us 4-0 going into the break, he gets the rest of the season. If we look how we've looked under JV going into the break, we make a hire mid-season.
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Post#504 » by Devin 1L » Sun Feb 8, 2015 7:54 pm

Do the right thing, Magic.

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Post#505 » by TreasureCoast » Sun Feb 8, 2015 8:10 pm

Devin 1L wrote:Do the right thing, Magic.

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That will never happen lol, he talks **** about us every chance he gets.
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Post#506 » by Devin 1L » Sun Feb 8, 2015 8:23 pm

It won't happen because we have the best coach in NBA history. Heyo!

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Post#507 » by ezzzp » Sun Feb 8, 2015 9:06 pm

SD2042 wrote:
akhenaten wrote:Why do I feel like we're going to outsmart ourselves again and go with some choice no one is even thinking about, like when we hired Jacque. Even though one of the best coaches in the NBA is telling everyone who will listen that he wants to coach here.



It's very likely it can happen. All this hype about getting Karl is setting up a lot of false hope about obtain the guy when the Magic haven't even interview him yet. I say let Borrego get a shot and see where the rest of the season will go from here.



Its been pretty obvious from the start of this rumor that Karl was never serious about the Magic position. If he was, his approach would not have been a public plea. The guy is know for his strategic IQ; even passive Magic fans know that approach is the opposite of how the Magic operate. His primary goal was clearly to press Sacramento not chase the Magic. I find it very hard to believe that Hennigan and Dan Devos were thrilled with that tactic.

No doubt Karl would be the safest most PR friendly pick for the Magic to make. But even if it were a real option, it would certainly come at a very painful and likely unfathomable cost, as Karl would surely ask for control of the roster the minute Hennigan made the call...and once that becomes public (and it will) then its the Magic brass that are put on the hot seat.

Its Borrego's job to lose until the offseason.
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Post#508 » by VucchiManee » Sun Feb 8, 2015 9:43 pm

ezzzp wrote:
SD2042 wrote:
akhenaten wrote:Why do I feel like we're going to outsmart ourselves again and go with some choice no one is even thinking about, like when we hired Jacque. Even though one of the best coaches in the NBA is telling everyone who will listen that he wants to coach here.



It's very likely it can happen. All this hype about getting Karl is setting up a lot of false hope about obtain the guy when the Magic haven't even interview him yet. I say let Borrego get a shot and see where the rest of the season will go from here.



Its been pretty obvious from the start of this rumor that Karl was never serious about the Magic position. If he was, his approach would not have been a public plea. The guy is know for his strategic IQ; even passive Magic fans know that approach is the opposite of how the Magic operate. His primary goal was clearly to press Sacramento not chase the Magic. I find it very hard to believe that Hennigan and Dan Devos were thrilled with that tactic.

No doubt Karl would be the safest most PR friendly pick for the Magic to make. But even if it were a real option, it would certainly come at a very painful and likely unfathomable cost, as Karl would surely ask for control of the roster the minute Hennigan made the call...and once that becomes public (and it will) then its the Magic brass that are put on the hot seat.

Its Borrego's job to lose until the offseason.


Karl didn't force Magic fans to follow him on Twitter and bombard him with tweets pleading for him to coach this team. He's known for being very interactive on Twitter so it comes to no surprise that he decided to respond to a couple fans.

Karl also made his stance known publicly about the Kings when his name first started popping up in their HC rumors. Now he's apparently close to a deal with them. So it doesn't necessarily mean this recent public plea is a strategic move.

Karl told Kings management that he would stay in his lane and just coach. He just wants to coach. He's stated this before.

Sorry if this response seems like I'm attacking you or something. I'm not. I just truly believe he would relish the opportunity to coach a young, talented team like the Magic, and that he meant what he said. I just can't believe Hennigan hasn't made a move yet. I'm not saying that it's get Karl or bust, I would just prefer him teaching our youngins. I wouldn't be against hiring Malone or just playing out the season with Borrego.
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Post#509 » by OrlandO » Sun Feb 8, 2015 9:59 pm

The talk of Karl using us needs to stop. That is putting unnecessary spin on the story. He just wants a damn job. That's what's obvious. He wanted to coach BK, LA, CLE, NO, SAC and ORL. Am I missing any others? If he's still available this summer we'll hear even more campaigning for other teams that are on the verge of firing their coaches. The Magic appear to simply not be 100% sold on him, as evident by their lack of contact with him after firing vaughn, but he would have come here if we were the only ones offering him a job. The man is desperate for work... I hope someone gives him a gig because he's likely still got it and it's sad to see a legend practically begging for jobs so soon after winning coach of the year.
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Post#510 » by VucchiManee » Sun Feb 8, 2015 10:05 pm

OrlandO wrote:The talk of Karl using us needs to stop. That is putting unnecessary spin on the story. He just wants a damn job. That's what's obvious. He wanted to coach BK, LA, CLE, NO, SAC and ORL. Am I missing any others? If he's still available this summer we'll hear even more campaigning for other teams that are on the verge of firing their coaches. The Magic appear to simply not be 100% sold on him, as evident by their lack of contact with him after firing vaughn, but he would have come here if we were the only ones offering him a job. The man is desperate for work... I hope someone gives him a gig because he's likely still got it and it's sad to see a legend practically begging for jobs so soon after winning coach of the year.


I saw one Magic fan pointing out the fact that perhaps Hennigan wants a proven coach that can realistically be a long-term option. Due to Karl's past with health concerns and his age, perhaps he's just not viewed as a long-term option. Would really suck to have this team become a contender in a few years and Karl having to resign due to things we and he can't control. I still think we should go after him but I can understand if we decide to pass up on him. I feel he should go to a contender where he can win sooner rather than later. I really do hope we go after Malone if we pass up on Karl.
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Post#511 » by woosah » Sun Feb 8, 2015 10:15 pm

VucchiManee wrote:
OrlandO wrote:The talk of Karl using us needs to stop. That is putting unnecessary spin on the story. He just wants a damn job. That's what's obvious. He wanted to coach BK, LA, CLE, NO, SAC and ORL. Am I missing any others? If he's still available this summer we'll hear even more campaigning for other teams that are on the verge of firing their coaches. The Magic appear to simply not be 100% sold on him, as evident by their lack of contact with him after firing vaughn, but he would have come here if we were the only ones offering him a job. The man is desperate for work... I hope someone gives him a gig because he's likely still got it and it's sad to see a legend practically begging for jobs so soon after winning coach of the year.


I saw one Magic fan pointing out the fact that perhaps Hennigan wants a proven coach that can realistically be a long-term option. Due to Karl's past with health concerns and his age, perhaps he's just not viewed as a long-term option. Would really suck to have this team become a contender in a few years and Karl having to resign due to things we and he can't control. I still think we should go after him but I can understand if we decide to pass up on him. I feel he should go to a contender where he can win sooner rather than later. I really do hope we go after Malone if we pass up on Karl.


It could be that. It could be they don't think his personality is a fit. Magic are tight lipped and his mouth runs like water from a faucet lol. He got fired (according to other posters in various threads on gb) for getting in the owners face and trying to strong arm a raise and extension, and maybe that type of baggage is not what the Magic want, even if it is attached to a great coach. Then again, they are supposedly entertaining Skiles who reportedly wants player control and has a rep of losing his players in various jobs. They say they want experience, and i don't know if they consider Malone as such. I just can't read them. I'm riding with Borrego until we get some hints of the real candidates for consideration.
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Post#512 » by tooler » Sun Feb 8, 2015 10:21 pm

OrlandO wrote:The talk of Karl using us needs to stop.

When someone posted that a second time, I figured it'd be a runaway narrative. Keep up the good fight. :)
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Post#513 » by TreasureCoast » Sun Feb 8, 2015 11:02 pm

As I watch Nick Anderson try and speak on TV, I can't help but realize that Skiles will most likely get the job. Our ownership is just too in love with former players coming back in positions that they are not qualified for. I understand that Skiles is a very good coach but it's all to predictable and screams PR and I hate that, much like listening to Nick Anderson try and do a job he has no business doing.
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Post#514 » by Devin 1L » Sun Feb 8, 2015 11:12 pm

Surprised Patrick Chewing's camp hasn't set up a MySpace account campaigning for him as Magic head coach.
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Post#516 » by ezzzp » Mon Feb 9, 2015 2:31 am

VucchiManee wrote:
ezzzp wrote:Karl didn't force Magic fans to follow him on Twitter and bombard him with tweets pleading for him to coach this team. He's known for being very interactive on Twitter so it comes to no surprise that he decided to respond to a couple fans.

Karl also made his stance known publicly about the Kings when his name first started popping up in their HC rumors. Now he's apparently close to a deal with them. So it doesn't necessarily mean this recent public plea is a strategic move.

Karl told Kings management that he would stay in his lane and just coach. He just wants to coach. He's stated this before.

Sorry if this response seems like I'm attacking you or something. I'm not. I just truly believe he would relish the opportunity to coach a young, talented team like the Magic, and that he meant what he said. I just can't believe Hennigan hasn't made a move yet. I'm not saying that it's get Karl or bust, I would just prefer him teaching our youngins. I wouldn't be against hiring Malone or just playing out the season with Borrego.


What? Karl most certainly put the bait out there on Twitter and he most definitely poured gasoline on the fire.

Alex Kennedy started the rumor a couple hours after the JV firing:
[tweet]https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA/status/563453796370890754[/tweet]

Magic fans immediately started following Karl based on that rumor and within 2 hours of Kennedy's tweet Karl put this out there:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/CoachKarl22/status/563488711279538177[/tweet]

if that's not stirring the soup enough then he retweet this picture of himself amidst Magic players:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/FadeMartins/status/563705122300391424[/tweet]

Guess what happens next, within hours talks with Karl and SAC start again...yea sure SAC just out of the blue does a 180 degree turn and changes their earlier stance that "they absolutely were going to let Corbin finish the season"...yea sure that wasn't strategy:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/564517630846181378[/tweet]

What Karl asks for in SAC where it is the GM is who's trying to sign him is much different than what he will ask for in Orlando. Btw in SAC he reportedly asked for $4million per to coach in his destination of choice.

Karl knows SVG's scenario in Orlando and what SVG got in Detroit, plus on top of that reports that I'm sure he's aware of that Scott Skiles is asking for control of the roster to coach the Magic...do you really think that a coach of that age and his accomplishments just wants to sit back and let a rookie GM dictate what his last coaching opportunity will be? Cmon.
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Post#517 » by VucchiManee » Mon Feb 9, 2015 2:52 am

ezzzp wrote:
VucchiManee wrote:
ezzzp wrote:Karl didn't force Magic fans to follow him on Twitter and bombard him with tweets pleading for him to coach this team. He's known for being very interactive on Twitter so it comes to no surprise that he decided to respond to a couple fans.

Karl also made his stance known publicly about the Kings when his name first started popping up in their HC rumors. Now he's apparently close to a deal with them. So it doesn't necessarily mean this recent public plea is a strategic move.

Karl told Kings management that he would stay in his lane and just coach. He just wants to coach. He's stated this before.

Sorry if this response seems like I'm attacking you or something. I'm not. I just truly believe he would relish the opportunity to coach a young, talented team like the Magic, and that he meant what he said. I just can't believe Hennigan hasn't made a move yet. I'm not saying that it's get Karl or bust, I would just prefer him teaching our youngins. I wouldn't be against hiring Malone or just playing out the season with Borrego.


What? Karl most certainly put the bait out there on Twitter and he most definitely poured gasoline on the fire.

Alex Kennedy started the rumor a couple hours after the JV firing:
[tweet]https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA/status/563453796370890754[/tweet]

Magic fans immediately started following Karl based on that rumor and within 2 hours of Kennedy's tweet Karl put this out there:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/CoachKarl22/status/563488711279538177[/tweet]

if that's not stirring the soup enough then he retweet this picture of himself amidst Magic players:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/FadeMartins/status/563705122300391424[/tweet]

Guess what happens next, within hours talks with Karl and SAC start again...yea sure SAC just out of the blue does a 180 degree turn and changes their earlier stance that "they absolutely were going to let Corbin finish the season"...yea sure that wasn't strategy:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/564517630846181378[/tweet]

What Karl asks for in SAC where it is the GM is who's trying to sign him is much different than what he will ask for in Orlando. Btw in SAC he reportedly asked for $4million per to coach in his destination of choice.

Karl knows SVG's scenario in Orlando and what SVG got in Detroit, plus on top of that reports that I'm sure he's aware of that Scott Skiles is asking for control of the roster to coach the Magic...do you really think that a coach of that age and his accomplishments just wants to sit back and let a rookie GM dictate what his last coaching opportunity will be? Cmon.



No need to tell me what happened as I was following the whole situation, but for some reason that last sentence of yours makes me think you didn't. You say "'.do you really think that a coach of that age and his accomplishments just wants to sit back and let a rookie GM dictate what his last coaching opportunity will be? Cmon." He's doing exactly that with Pete D'Alessandro..

[tweet]https://twitter.com/SpearsNBAYahoo/status/564120376582483970[/tweet]
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Post#518 » by Devin 1L » Mon Feb 9, 2015 5:25 am

Devin's made up sources now indicate that the Magic are now considering:

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Post#519 » by ezzzp » Mon Feb 9, 2015 6:38 am

VucchiManee wrote:
ezzzp wrote:
What Karl asks for in SAC where it is the GM is who's trying to sign him is much different than what he will ask for in Orlando. Btw in SAC he reportedly asked for $4million per to coach in his destination of choice.

Karl knows SVG's scenario in Orlando and what SVG got in Detroit, plus on top of that reports that I'm sure he's aware of that Scott Skiles is asking for control of the roster to coach the Magic...do you really think that a coach of that age and his accomplishments just wants to sit back and let a rookie GM dictate what his last coaching opportunity will be? Cmon.



No need to tell me what happened as I was following the whole situation, but for some reason that last sentence of yours makes me think you didn't. You say "'.do you really think that a coach of that age and his accomplishments just wants to sit back and let a rookie GM dictate what his last coaching opportunity will be? Cmon." He's doing exactly that with Pete D'Alessandro..


Perhaps you should inform yourself about Karl and D'Alessandro's relationship. Karl and SAC GM D'Alessandro go way back and that relationship is the key reason for the mutual interest in SAC and the main reason it is still in play.

That his good friend (the GM) is the person whose position he would hurt if he were to ask for control of the roster - obviously makes that a completely different situation than if he was to negotiate with the Magic organization.

What he negotiates for with his friends in SAC and what he negotiates for with the Devos family are two entirely different scenarios.
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Post#520 » by Nyce_1 » Tue Feb 10, 2015 2:52 pm

If Nets fire Hollins, would anyone mind going after him? Think he turned Memphis into contenders and don't know the reason he was fired.

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