Trade Targets (postcript on yesterday-other teams)

jakecronus8 · Post #3621 » by **jakecronus8** » Sun Feb 8, 2015 8:38 pm

And I'm all for going for Biyombo

Bismack, 2nd for Henson?

Dcebucks11 · Post #3622 » by **Dcebucks11** » Sun Feb 8, 2015 8:40 pm

what the heck ya'll want to trade clippers 1st for afflalo rental?

smh lol.. herb kohl got in your heads

jakecronus8 · Post #3623 » by **jakecronus8** » Sun Feb 8, 2015 8:42 pm

I agree that there's a little too much win now craziness going on. Eyes on the prize guys.

Zeezprah · Post #3624 » by **Zeezprah** » Sun Feb 8, 2015 8:49 pm

drummond is extremely overrated imo. one of those guys where the box stats look great, but when you dig in it's "meh".

he's not really a good defender at all either. if i'm gonna pick a one sided guy at center, i'm taking the defensive guy every time.

although his rebounding would obviously be welcomed immensely, right now.

Frank Nova · Post #3625 » by **Frank Nova** » Sun Feb 8, 2015 9:00 pm

MiltownHawkeye wrote:
weezybaby856 wrote:
JimmyTheKid wrote:
I don't want to give up any assets for Affalo. We have Knight, Bayless, and Mayo. Not ideal, but again, I'd just hang on to our 1sts. If we make a move to get better, we need to bring in a big.

Understandable, and I agree to a certain extent but I'm looking at who is attainable that can make us better overall and Afflalo definitely fits the bill there. He scores well and defends 2 positions well and his addition can slide Giannis to a bigger role at PF.

I don't value our draft picks anymore nearly the same as most of the posters here. I'm looking for immediate help without ruining the chemistry of the players. I have no interest at all in waiting around to see if a 2017 25th overall pick can even make it in the league 5yrs from now. That's 2yrs waiting to even make the pick and 3yrs or so to see if he even sticks around. Why that's worth holding onto and not cashing in on is beyond me....

Because cashing in just to cash in is called bad asset management. That's what it seems like we're doing with that trade. Afflalo doesn't solve any of our problems and you risk messing with the on-court chemistry we've built. He's good but he doesn't move the needle that much. And I wouldn't want him opting in after the year either, especially if he plays poorly and ruins his own value.

There's no way whatsoever that's bad asset management. We would've essentially turned Carlos Delfino into Jared Dudley and Arron Afflalo. Holding onto that LAC 2017 1st with all the protection on it and taking the chance of letting it wither away is actually what would be considered bad asset management.

As far as whether Afflalo opts in next year and sticks around is up for debate whether that's good or bad. If it meant BK and Khris can't be retained then Id agree with u that Id hope he opted out and hit FA. But having said that, for the rest of this season it would definitely be a huge boost for the roster. Afflalo has always been an efficient scorer and effective defender on the perimeter so what he would bring to the team would fit in nicely and I don't see that ruining the chemistry at all. I'm sure he would be happy to get out of Denver and be on a playoff team with a chance to turn some heads and make some noise.

We aren't talking about trading the pick to LAL for Robert Sacre because he's big and we lack depth in the front court. That qualifies much more to ur point than the idea of bringing in Arron Afflalo to help give the team a boost.

Post #3626 » by **paulpressey25** » Sun Feb 8, 2015 9:28 pm

Here is the good news about Biyombo....he's going to be an RFA this summer.

And he's been out with a knee injury and Charlotte has gone 4-2 in his absence, so maybe they deal him or don't match a contract.

The bad news is that it will take a major overpay to get him here this summer and we don't have the cap room to make that type of an offer at the moment.

I'm ok riding with Henson versus doing that. I love Biyombo if you get him cheap, but in person he's only about 6-9". He's shorter than Larry.

breakchains · Post #3627 » by **breakchains** » Sun Feb 8, 2015 9:29 pm

We really should have given up some future protected 2nd for Tarik Black and waived JOB.

chonestown · Post #3628 » by **chonestown** » Sun Feb 8, 2015 9:35 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:Here is the good news about Biyombo....he's going to be an RFA this summer.

And he's been out with a knee injury and Charlotte has gone 4-2 in his absence, so maybe they deal him or don't match a contract.

The bad news is that it will take a major overpay to get him here this summer and we don't have the cap room to make that type of an offer at the moment.

I'm ok riding with Henson versus doing that. I love Biyombo if you get him cheap, but in person he's only about 6-9". He's shorter than Larry.

Biyombo has unreal bad hands. Do not want unless it's an absolute bargain contract.

RRyder823 · Post #3629 » by **RRyder823** » Sun Feb 8, 2015 9:35 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:
RRyder823 wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:

Really? When did Drummond turn into Shaq? He'd have to have turned into a dominant player if we're getting "laughed" off the phone including Jabari n 2 firsts. Maybe I missed when Drummond turned into a beast

When did Jabari and his torn ACL turn into LeBron?

Never. But im also not the one who said we would get laughed off the phone either so i appreciate the attempt to deflect. Maybe I was a little to coy about it but what makes you believe that Drummonds value is sooooooo much higher the Jabari even comming off an ACL tear that even If we attached to two first round picks that they wouldnt even consider it???

Post #3630 » by **ReasonablySober** » Sun Feb 8, 2015 9:46 pm

RRyder823 wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:
RRyder823 wrote:
Really? When did Drummond turn into Shaq? He'd have to have turned into a dominant player if we're getting "laughed" off the phone including Jabari n 2 firsts. Maybe I missed when Drummond turned into a beast

When did Jabari and his torn ACL turn into LeBron?

Never. But im also not the one who said we would get laughed off the phone either so i appreciate the attempt to deflect. Maybe I was a little to coy about it but what makes you believe that Drummonds value is sooooooo much higher the Jabari even comming off an ACL tear that even If we attached to two first round picks that they wouldnt even consider it???

He's an athletic 21 year old 7" with a couple elite NBA skills already. His ceiling is enormous. If the Bucks were picking in the top eight or nine I could maybe see the Pistons entertaining the trade idea (but still no) but the Bucks are going to be picking in the late teens for the next couple years.

breakchains · Post #3631 » by **breakchains** » Sun Feb 8, 2015 9:46 pm

If you'd trade Parker for Drummond (mistake IMO), you should have been strongly advocating for this guy last June [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tO-Q0rnIqto[/youtube]

Dcebucks11 · Post #3632 » by **Dcebucks11** » Sun Feb 8, 2015 9:56 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:
RRyder823 wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:
When did Jabari and his torn ACL turn into LeBron?

Never. But im also not the one who said we would get laughed off the phone either so i appreciate the attempt to deflect. Maybe I was a little to coy about it but what makes you believe that Drummonds value is sooooooo much higher the Jabari even comming off an ACL tear that even If we attached to two first round picks that they wouldnt even consider it???

He's an athletic 21 year old 7" with a couple elite NBA skills already. His ceiling is enormous. If the Bucks were picking in the top eight or nine I could maybe see the Pistons entertaining the trade idea (but still no) but the Bucks are going to be picking in the late teens for the next couple years.

Not sure what other elite nba skill he has other than rebounding.. What's the difference between him and Deandre jordon? Bucks need star potential not low iq big.

Post #3633 » by **Prez** » Sun Feb 8, 2015 9:59 pm

Would absolutely not trade Jabari for Drummond. Drummond imo is one of the most overrated young players in the league. Dude has made minimal progress offensively, and unlike Dwight who had the same problem, he's not even that good defensively. His sole contribution here would be his rebounding, and perhaps his size/strength just being a presence in the paint. You don't trade a 19 year old that could become one of the best scorers in the league and potentially a top 10 player...for a big rebounder.

dc634 · Post #3634 » by **dc634** » Sun Feb 8, 2015 10:22 pm

Drummond came into the league extremely raw and full of potential. The fact that he is as good as he already is at 21 was not expected. Is it just because he is now shooting 49% as opposed to 62% that everybody is ripping on him now?

AussieBuck · Post #3635 » by **AussieBuck** » Sun Feb 8, 2015 10:29 pm

raferfenix wrote:
AussieBuck wrote:
raferfenix wrote:Is there a better young center prospect than Kanter who might be available?

Koufos, O'Quinn anyone else who can play D.

If Kidd can get ZaZa playing effective D in our system I could see him doing so for other lumbering centers like Kanter as well.

Zaza has always been able to play some D he's just limited by leg speed. Kanter just hasn't shown any inclination or improvement IMO.

TroyD92 · Post #3636 » by **TroyD92** » Sun Feb 8, 2015 10:31 pm

dc634 wrote:Drummond came into the league extremely raw and full of potential. The fact that he is as good as he already is at 21 was not expected. Is it just because he is now shooting 49% as opposed to 62% that everybody is ripping on him now?

He hasn't gotten much better is the problem.

M-C-G · Post #3637 » by **M-C-G** » Sun Feb 8, 2015 10:31 pm

dc634 wrote:Drummond came into the league extremely raw and full of potential. The fact that he is as good as he already is at 21 was not expected. Is it just because he is now shooting 49% as opposed to 62% that everybody is ripping on him now?

Other than rebounding has he improved in any statistical category? I think that is the knock. And his historically bad FT shooting doesn't inspire much hope in evolving his offensive game beyond what it is.

Post #3638 » by **ReasonablySober** » Sun Feb 8, 2015 10:31 pm

Kanter isn't a lumbering center either.

TroyD92 · Post #3639 » by **TroyD92** » Sun Feb 8, 2015 10:32 pm

I'd much rather overpay for Favors than trade for Kanter.

AussieBuck · Post #3640 » by **AussieBuck** » Sun Feb 8, 2015 10:32 pm

Zeezprah wrote:drummond is extremely overrated imo. one of those guys where the box stats look great, but when you dig in it's "meh".

he's not really a good defender at all either. if i'm gonna pick a one sided guy at center, i'm taking the defensive guy every time.

although his rebounding would obviously be welcomed immensely, right now.

Yep, if he doesn't figure defense out it would be a bad deal.