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Post#1161 » by Revived » Mon Feb 9, 2015 1:30 am

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Cutter wrote:I didn't know Bledsoe was even married. Thought he was a single ladies man.


Don't think he's married. Side note.. Bledsoe's GF and IT's fiancee are close friends. Heard they always have double dates. That's good for chemistry on court with Bled and IT. Seem to get along good


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I wonder if they ever ask Cousins and his wife to come along for one of these dates to make it a triple date :D

All 3 know each other pretty well...
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Post#1162 » by Revived » Mon Feb 9, 2015 1:31 am

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Cutter wrote:I didn't know Bledsoe was even married. Thought he was a single ladies man.

Haha me either.

I don't think he's married.

I read a while ago (maybe when he was still with LAC) that he has multiple baby mammas.
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Post#1163 » by Sunsdeuce » Mon Feb 9, 2015 1:34 am

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Are you serious? Westbrook is a terrible shooter. He's shooting less than 30% from three!
Tyreke also has a terrible jumper.
The fact that Bledsoe's can average 17 PPG with slightly less than 13 shots per game is ridiculously efficient. I will agree though that Bledsoe needs to work on his jumper still, but it isn't as awful as those two guys. Plus, I think Bled's shot mechanics just needs to be slightly adjusted but it can definitely improve.

A better shot would be nice but it's clear scoring isn't his problem. It's running a team and playing within the system. This 20s dribbling and 5s of making moves isn't going to work.



I remain awestruck that there are people out there that think our 3 guards are the problem with this team. Those 3 are the reason we're in the hunt in the first place.

I'm awestruck that you don't see how it's hurting this team. Without this unbalanced 3PG system we would win close games with key rebounds and defense which doesn't happen right now. Mind blowing you are unable to see this. Everyone else, including sportscasters and even our own media sees this.
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Post#1164 » by AtheJ415 » Mon Feb 9, 2015 1:42 am

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lilfishi22 wrote:A better shot would be nice but it's clear scoring isn't his problem. It's running a team and playing within the system. This 20s dribbling and 5s of making moves isn't going to work.



I remain awestruck that there are people out there that think our 3 guards are the problem with this team. Those 3 are the reason we're in the hunt in the first place.

I'm awestruck that you don't see how it's hurting this team. Without this unbalanced 3PG system we would win close games with key rebounds and defense which doesn't happen right now. Mind blowing you are unable to see this. Everyone else, including sportscasters and even our own media sees this.


Putting them out there in crunch time is a coaching decision, not a reflection of any of their abilities. Basic statistics laugh in the face of anyone who thinks we're better off without any of them. The hydra is also our best +/- lineup. I don't know what you see, but every number there is laughs at it. Dragic, for instance, "when we're out there, we close games" referring to the hydra. Against certain teams it makes sense to go to a more traditional role, but the idea that Bledsoe or Dragic or Thomas are hurting us is asinine. If it's anyone, it's Hornacek's decision on when to go to that lineup.
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Post#1165 » by Zelaznyrules » Mon Feb 9, 2015 1:43 am

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lilfishi22 wrote:A better shot would be nice but it's clear scoring isn't his problem. It's running a team and playing within the system. This 20s dribbling and 5s of making moves isn't going to work.



I remain awestruck that there are people out there that think our 3 guards are the problem with this team. Those 3 are the reason we're in the hunt in the first place.

I'm awestruck that you don't see how it's hurting this team. Without this unbalanced 3PG system we would win close games with key rebounds and defense which doesn't happen right now. Mind blowing you are unable to see this. Everyone else, including sportscasters and even our own media sees this.


Not so. And what you apparently miss (and a few of those others too) is that we'd never be in position to need that rebound if it weren't for the 3 point guards. Granted, you can't just toss them out there with any two guys and have it succeed but the 3 of them along with Keef and Len have made for a very solid lineup. It's also been effective when Keef moves to the 5, depending on who the 4 is. It can get real scary if they're out there with Plumlee and whoever or with the twins but the ideal lineups are getting it done.
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Post#1166 » by AtheJ415 » Mon Feb 9, 2015 1:45 am

The hydra comes with tradeoffs (for instance, we're much more dangerous on the break and offensively with them on the court, but obviously our rebounding will suffer), but those rebounds you mention, aside from the Memphis game, aren't really our guards getting bested--it's the ultra small lineup with the Morrii manning the 4 and 5 that kills us on that end. When the hydra plays with Kieff and Len that is our most effective lineup with the entire season as the sample size.
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Post#1167 » by Revived » Mon Feb 9, 2015 1:47 am

I said it before and I'll say it again. The 3 PG lineup is one that can get you back in a game in which your losing but its not a lineup that will win you the game if you close with it.

Why? Because the other team will start slowing down the pace and abuse the 3 PG lineup by attacking the boards or posting up on the cute little guys.
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Post#1168 » by Sunsdeuce » Mon Feb 9, 2015 2:00 am

SF88 wrote:I said it before and I'll say it again. The 3 PG lineup is one that can get you back in a game in which your losing but its not a lineup that will win you the game if you close with it.

Why? Because the other team will start slowing down the pace and abuse the 3 PG lineup by attacking the boards or posting up on the cute little guys.

Bingo. Never ever have 3 PG in at the same time in a close game. 9 times out of 10, you will lose. Hence our record in close games.

Suns are 2-8 record in one-possession games.
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Post#1169 » by MrMiyagi » Mon Feb 9, 2015 3:36 am

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SF88 wrote:I said it before and I'll say it again. The 3 PG lineup is one that can get you back in a game in which your losing but its not a lineup that will win you the game if you close with it.

Why? Because the other team will start slowing down the pace and abuse the 3 PG lineup by attacking the boards or posting up on the cute little guys.

Bingo. Never ever have 3 PG in at the same time in a close game. 9 times out of 10, you will lose. Hence our record in close games.

Suns are 2-8 record in one-possession games.

How many of those were flukish though?
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Post#1170 » by Revived » Mon Feb 9, 2015 3:40 am

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SF88 wrote:I said it before and I'll say it again. The 3 PG lineup is one that can get you back in a game in which your losing but its not a lineup that will win you the game if you close with it.

Why? Because the other team will start slowing down the pace and abuse the 3 PG lineup by attacking the boards or posting up on the cute little guys.

Bingo. Never ever have 3 PG in at the same time in a close game. 9 times out of 10, you will lose. Hence our record in close games.

Suns are 2-8 record in one-possession games.

How many of those were flukish though?

Its not a fluke when it keeps happening time after time after time after time.
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Post#1171 » by charley barkles » Mon Feb 9, 2015 4:11 am

So if their record is 2-8 in those games... Wouldn't you mean they lose 8 times out of 10 with that lineup?
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Post#1172 » by MrMiyagi » Mon Feb 9, 2015 4:16 am

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Sunsdeuce wrote:Bingo. Never ever have 3 PG in at the same time in a close game. 9 times out of 10, you will lose. Hence our record in close games.

Suns are 2-8 record in one-possession games.

How many of those were flukish though?

Its not a fluke when it keeps happening time after time after time after time.

You're going to tell me Blake's shot wasn't a fluke? Same with Khris Middleton?

I'm not talking about James Harden's buzzer beater, but those two were ridiculous. I know 4-6 is still a losing record in close games, but don't be telling me that the Suns could've defended those shots better.
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Post#1173 » by Revived » Mon Feb 9, 2015 4:27 am

MrMiyagi wrote:
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MrMiyagi wrote:How many of those were flukish though?

Its not a fluke when it keeps happening time after time after time after time.

You're going to tell me Blake's shot wasn't a fluke? Same with Khris Middleton?

I'm not talking about James Harden's buzzer beater, but those two were ridiculous. I know 4-6 is still a losing record in close games, but don't be telling me that the Suns could've defended those shots better.

No, it happens. You shouldn't have to put yourself in that type of situation to begin with.
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Post#1174 » by MrMiyagi » Mon Feb 9, 2015 4:28 am

SF88 wrote:
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SF88 wrote:Its not a fluke when it keeps happening time after time after time after time.

You're going to tell me Blake's shot wasn't a fluke? Same with Khris Middleton?

I'm not talking about James Harden's buzzer beater, but those two were ridiculous. I know 4-6 is still a losing record in close games, but don't be telling me that the Suns could've defended those shots better.

No, it happens. You shouldn't have to put yourself in that type of situation to begin with.

Now you're going to tell me that there is a magical team that never plays a close game?
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Post#1175 » by Revived » Mon Feb 9, 2015 4:30 am

MrMiyagi wrote:
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MrMiyagi wrote:You're going to tell me Blake's shot wasn't a fluke? Same with Khris Middleton?

I'm not talking about James Harden's buzzer beater, but those two were ridiculous. I know 4-6 is still a losing record in close games, but don't be telling me that the Suns could've defended those shots better.

No, it happens. You shouldn't have to put yourself in that type of situation to begin with.

Now you're going to tell me that there is a magical team that never plays a close game?

I'm saying good teams don't constantly find themselves in those type of situations again and again and again and again.

For example, we should have blown out the Kings tonight not lose at the buzzer AGAIN.
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Post#1176 » by Sunsdeuce » Mon Feb 9, 2015 4:37 am

Ha ha make that 2-9 in one possession games. My point keeps getting proven over and over and over again.
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Post#1177 » by oldjeezy » Mon Feb 9, 2015 4:40 am

Sunsdeuce wrote:Ha ha make that 2-9 in one possession games. My point keeps getting proven over and over and over again.


Is this one on 3 pg small ball, too? With bledsoe in alabama and markieff shooting 3-20?
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Post#1178 » by SunsFanSSOL » Mon Feb 9, 2015 4:47 am

Trade everyone but Bledsoe, Len, Warren, Ennis, and Goodwin.
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Post#1179 » by Sunsdeuce » Mon Feb 9, 2015 4:48 am

oldjeezy wrote:
Sunsdeuce wrote:Ha ha make that 2-9 in one possession games. My point keeps getting proven over and over and over again.


Is this one on 3 pg small ball, too? With bledsoe in alabama and markieff shooting 3-20?

Reality is the Suns are not a good team.
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Post#1180 » by Revived » Mon Feb 9, 2015 4:48 am

SunsFanSSOL wrote:Trade everyone but Bledsoe, Len, Warren, Ennis, and Goodwin.

I wanna see what Bullock has to offer as well.

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