Trade Targets (postcript on yesterday-other teams)

raferfenix · Post #3641 » by **raferfenix** » Sun Feb 8, 2015 10:43 pm

AussieBuck wrote:
raferfenix wrote:
AussieBuck wrote:Koufos, O'Quinn anyone else who can play D.

If Kidd can get ZaZa playing effective D in our system I could see him doing so for other lumbering centers like Kanter as well.

Zaza has always been able to play some D he's just limited by leg speed. Kanter just hasn't shown any inclination or improvement IMO.

ReasonablySober wrote:Kanter isn't a lumbering center either.

I see Kanter not having the ability to play defense as much worse than if he just hasn't put in much effort there so far. The Jazz have been a mess for years now which could have adversely impacted his development on that side of the ball.

That would make a big difference for how I value him.

Kidd has shown that he's willing to sit even young up and coming players until they buy into his system --- but if Kanter would buy in and just can't make it work defensively, that would be a big problem to have with a soon-to-be-expensive player.

AussieBuck · Post #3642 » by **AussieBuck** » Sun Feb 8, 2015 10:51 pm

raferfenix wrote:
AussieBuck wrote:
raferfenix wrote:
If Kidd can get ZaZa playing effective D in our system I could see him doing so for other lumbering centers like Kanter as well.

Zaza has always been able to play some D he's just limited by leg speed. Kanter just hasn't shown any inclination or improvement IMO.

ReasonablySober wrote:Kanter isn't a lumbering center either.

I see Kanter not having the ability to play defense as much worse than if he just hasn't put in much effort there so far. The Jazz have been a mess for years now which could have adversely impacted his development on that side of the ball.

That would make a big difference for how I value him.

Kidd has shown that he's willing to sit even young up and coming players until they buy into his system --- but if Kanter would buy in and just can't make it work defensively, that would be a big problem to have with a soon-to-be-expensive player.

If you could get Kanter in and he still had a year on his deal so you could have a good look at him in a different system it would be ok. It's like the Monroe situation last season. Nobody wanted to take a punt on him becoming a good defender under their system. Kanter might struggle for the deal he wants.

Dcebucks11 · Post #3643 » by **Dcebucks11** » Mon Feb 9, 2015 6:57 am

Watching the Pistons today, drummonds defense was very poor, too slow to help, got abused by Pek all night. Didn't really change my opinion on his defense..

yoshii8 · Post #3644 » by **yoshii8** » Mon Feb 9, 2015 3:05 pm

Would you give up next year's first for Stauskus?

Shaffty · Post #3645 » by **Shaffty** » Mon Feb 9, 2015 3:06 pm

Would you do this trade? http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mpo84r4

I feel like i might take this trade.

and so would the Thunder

raferfenix · Post #3646 » by **raferfenix** » Mon Feb 9, 2015 3:12 pm

Shaffty wrote:Would you do this trade? http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mpo84r4

I feel like i might take this trade.

and so would the Thunder

I would trade Ersan straight up for Perkins if OKC was willing to bet on his health. We drop his salary and pick up much needed toughness at center.

Unfortunately I'm skeptical the Thunder would be willing to do this. I bet they'd be targeting Jared Dudley way over Ilyasova if we were digging into trades.

Does OKC need another center back if they drop Perkins? If not that would give us more flexibility here.

Also I've caught other posters referencing Mitch McGary as a target for us. What kind of deal do we think it'd take to acquire him?

Post #3647 » by **ReasonablySober** » Mon Feb 9, 2015 3:15 pm

I think if Boston is dealing us Perk for Ilyasova it'd be us that has to include the pick or young asset.

mlloyd10 · Post #3648 » by **mlloyd10** » Mon Feb 9, 2015 3:22 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:I think if Boston is dealing us Perk for Ilyasova it'd be us that has to include the pick or young asset.

You mean Thunder?

Post #3649 » by **ReasonablySober** » Mon Feb 9, 2015 3:22 pm

mlloyd10 wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:I think if Boston is dealing us Perk for Ilyasova it'd be us that has to include the pick or young asset.

You mean Thunder?

Derp. Yea, the Thunder.

M-C-G · Post #3650 » by **M-C-G** » Mon Feb 9, 2015 3:27 pm

TroyD92 wrote:I'd much rather overpay for Favors than trade for Kanter.

I'm not sure there is a deal to be had there...I think the reason we keep coming back to Kanter is that he is realistically available.

What would you consider an overpay that they might reasonably accept?

Ersan, Middleton, 2015 1st, 2017 LA 1st?

I don't think that is even close to getting it done.

yoshii8 · Post #3651 » by **yoshii8** » Mon Feb 9, 2015 3:36 pm

I think it's essential we trade Ersan to free up some money for free agency. There are a lot of good centers available this off-season.

GoldenAntlers · Post #3652 » by **GoldenAntlers** » Mon Feb 9, 2015 3:38 pm

yoshii8 wrote:I think it's essential we trade Ersan to free up some money for free agency. There are a lot of good centers available this off-season.

I have been hoping ersan gets traded for years now. Please, basketball gods, let it be real.

The only reason I will miss ersan is for the charges he takes.

LUKE23 · Post #3653 » by **LUKE23** » Mon Feb 9, 2015 3:41 pm

Getting any value, even an expiring, is a pipedream to me. Ersan looks like he has forgotten how to play basketball.

yoshii8 · Post #3654 » by **yoshii8** » Mon Feb 9, 2015 3:47 pm

LUKE23 wrote:Getting any value, even an expiring, is a pipedream to me. Ersan looks like he has forgotten how to play basketball.

But then he has small stretches where he looks fantastic. He's a weird player.

Newz · Post #3655 » by **Newz** » Mon Feb 9, 2015 3:52 pm

LUKE23 wrote:Getting any value, even an expiring, is a pipedream to me. Ersan looks like he has forgotten how to play basketball.

He was looking pretty good this year before his face got crippled. He's just coming back from injury... I assume he'll probably return to being halfway decent at some point. Probably not in time to get anything for him at the deadline though.

Nebula1 · Post #3656 » by **Nebula1** » Mon Feb 9, 2015 3:55 pm

Yeah, Ersan looks shellshocked, but maybe a change would do him good.

Trade Knight..

Badgerlander · Post #3657 » by **Badgerlander** » Mon Feb 9, 2015 3:59 pm

I doubt any of Ersan, Zaza, or Mayo get traded before this summer when they'll be expiring contracts. Ersan's season was done the minute Kendall Marshall went down.

M-C-G · Post #3658 » by **M-C-G** » Mon Feb 9, 2015 4:08 pm

Yeah, we need Ersan to get hot and minimum move him for an expiring. Even if we don't make any other moves at all, that would open up enough money to make a run at Kanter, Koufos, Monroe, O'Quinn type guys to lock down that center spot.

Use your draft pick to get a complimentary guard to play with Knight, ala Grant.

Resign Middleton, Knight, Marshall and roll into next season with getting Parker and Inglis added to the pool;

PG - Knight 23, Grant 22, Bayless 26, Marshall 23
SG - Middleton 23, Mayo 27
SF - Giannis 20, Inglis 19
PF - Parker 19, Dudley 29, JOB 21
C - Kanter 22, Henson 24, ZaZa 65

That is a pretty good win now and win later team. You'd have most of them locked up for a while until Giannis and Parker become due, but Sanders would be coming off the books around then and Mayo and ZaZa would have cleared by then.

LUKE23 · Post #3659 » by **LUKE23** » Mon Feb 9, 2015 4:11 pm

Don't like Knight at PG and Kanter is so bad defensively I can't justify spending what he will take to get signed. If that's our best FA option I'd rather just give Henson another 115 games and see where we are next summer. We could also draft a big, although the options 17-19 are meh. I just want my C to defend though.

Newz · Post #3660 » by **Newz** » Mon Feb 9, 2015 4:13 pm

LUKE23 wrote:Don't like Knight at PG and Kanter is so bad defensively I can't justify spending what he will take to get signed. If that's our best FA option I'd rather just give Henson another 115 games and see where we are next summer. We could also draft a big, although the options 17-19 are meh. I just want my C to defend though.

How would you feel about us trying to go after Monroe?