Lasry: Knight is Going to Be With Milwaukee (Contact Will Get Done)

[paulpressey25]

Do you guys have BK's advanced stats (TS, RAPM, etc) in 10 game chunks from the start of the season onward?

My eye test tells me he's much better and the team with him in the lineup is much better today than back on November 1st.

I still think he makes 3-4 cringeworthy turnover plays every game, but he's becoming salvageable at the right price IMO. Even at "PG" with the right complimentary lineup. But if the advance stats and off/on, etc don't show improvement, that would be compelling evidence the other direction.

[ReasonablySober]

Do you guys have BK's advanced stats (TS, RAPM, etc) in 10 game chunks from the start of the season onward?

My eye test tells me he's much better and the team with him in the lineup is much better today than back on November 1st.

I still think he makes 3-4 cringeworthy turnover plays every game, but he's becoming salvageable at the right price IMO. Even at "PG" with the right complimentary lineup. But if the advance stats and off/on, etc don't show improvement, that would be compelling evidence the other direction.

He has been better. But I throw a mini rage fit every time he enters Hero Ball Mode.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

I may be wrong but it is my understanding that as bad as the advanced numbers were early they have basically completely reversed themselves. unfortunately his efficiency has been dropping of late which was always of greater concern to me to begin with. if knight scores at a > .570 ts% and buys in the best he can with the rest of it.... to me, he is literally worth almost whatever they want to pay him. as that shooting efficiency drops the number starts dropping for me as well.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Do you guys have BK's advanced stats (TS, RAPM, etc) in 10 game chunks from the start of the season onward?

My eye test tells me he's much better and the team with him in the lineup is much better today than back on November 1st.

I still think he makes 3-4 cringeworthy turnover plays every game, but he's becoming salvageable at the right price IMO. Even at "PG" with the right complimentary lineup. But if the advance stats and off/on, etc don't show improvement, that would be compelling evidence the other direction.

He has been better. But I throw a mini rage fit every time he enters Hero Ball Mode.

every good team needs a hero. he keeps hitting those shots he can do it any damn time he wants.

[Baddy Chuck]

He has been better. But I throw a mini rage fit every time he enters Hero Ball Mode.

To me the problem is that's basically when he's at his best. Yeah he can shoot off the ball, so could Jeremy Lin, but Knight is best when he's scoring the ball and to do that he's best when he's in full on attack mode. That 25 minute a game bench scorer role would fit him perfectly.

[imithanos]

I wouldn't mind keeping Knight on a Mayo or Ersan contract. 15' as SG (either as a starter or not) and 15' as PG coming from the bench.
A Lou Williams role. With Middleton's contract also expiring and Larry's contract as a burden, a $7-8m p.a. would be ideal. You would overpay for anything over $9m. And I'm not sure if he would be comfortable with such a role. So let us hope we trade him on summer and concentrate on Middleton. And we are talking about a PG who is already 4 years in the league. Not a rookie or a sophomore.

[AussieBuck]

Do you guys have BK's advanced stats (TS, RAPM, etc) in 10 game chunks from the start of the season onward?

My eye test tells me he's much better and the team with him in the lineup is much better today than back on November 1st.

I still think he makes 3-4 cringeworthy turnover plays every game, but he's becoming salvageable at the right price IMO. Even at "PG" with the right complimentary lineup. But if the advance stats and off/on, etc don't show improvement, that would be compelling evidence the other direction.

RAPM doesn't work like that. It's only accurate in big minutes. Basic +/- will also be noisy as hell over 10 game splits.

[imithanos]

Do you guys have BK's advanced stats (TS, RAPM, etc) in 10 game chunks from the start of the season onward?

My eye test tells me he's much better and the team with him in the lineup is much better today than back on November 1st.

I still think he makes 3-4 cringeworthy turnover plays every game, but he's becoming salvageable at the right price IMO. Even at "PG" with the right complimentary lineup. But if the advance stats and off/on, etc don't show improvement, that would be compelling evidence the other direction.

He has been better. But I throw a mini rage fit every time he enters Hero Ball Mode.

every good team needs a hero. he keeps hitting those shots he can do it any damn time he wants.

True story. He hit those shots against LAL and Boston. Before that he played so awful the hero mode in end game situations that Bayless was taking those late shots for a couple of games. Shall we offer Bayless too an offer at +$10m/ then? Anyway my point is he isn't a specialist or reliable player yet. He has the guts to take them, but don't make me search again the article, where it was focused on his 33FG% in the last 5' when the game was close..

[paulpressey25]

RAPM doesn't work like that. It's only accurate in big minutes. Basic +/- will also be noisy as hell over 10 game splits.

I'd like to see the noise though on those and also the TS% for every 10 game or do it in sections of first 20 games, next 20 games and the last 15 games (which I know doubles up a couple games).

[AussieBuck]

RAPM doesn't work like that. It's only accurate in big minutes. Basic +/- will also be noisy as hell over 10 game splits.

I'd like to see the noise though on those and also the TS% for every 10 game or do it in sections of first 20 games, next 20 games and the last 15 games (which I know doubles up a couple games).

The RAPM in particular is entirely useless in that span. You wouldn't be looking at anything. On the basic stuff I'd guess his efficency has hit a wall in the last 10 and everyone else has shot well. The offense with Knight on for the season has gone from all time bad to just regular bad so the basic numbers will be good. Some might argue that has more to do with him getting the pleasure of playing with the player of the week though.

[ampd]

Since the Jabari injury, FG% with Knight on vs off

Giannis - 54.1 on 51.5 off +3.4%
Middleton - 50.9 on 48.2 off +2.7%
Dudley 55.8 on 50.0 off +5.8%
Henson 55.2 on 63.6 off -8.4%
Zaza 42.7 on 40.0 off +2.0%
Bayless 50.7 on 44.0 off +6.7%
Ersan 52.1 on 11.1 off +41% (super small sample)
Mayo 38%on 47.1%off -9.1%

The earlier trend of Knight making everyone shoot worse seems to have reversed itself and now only 2 players are shooting higher percentages with Knight off the floor (Henson and Mayo).

[Giannis Parker]

Knight's Stats in 20/20/15 game intervals as PP asked:

1-20: 17.9ppg, 6apg, 4.8rpg, 1.6spg, 3.3 tpg on 41% from 3 and 57.8% TS
21-40: 18.6ppg, 4.3apg, 3.6rpg, 1.5spg, 3.4tpg, on 40% from 3 and 57% TS
Last 15: 17.6ppg, 6.1apg, 3.8rpg, 2.3spg, 2.8tpg, on 44% from 3 and 53% TS

With Middleton as Starter: 18.2ppg, 5.7apg, 3.7rpg, 2.3spg, 3.0tpg and 43% from 3

Last 10 games: 16.6ppg, 6.7apg, 4.2rpg, 2.3spg, 2.7tpg and 44% from 3
Last 5 games: 17.8ppg, 8.2apg, 4.4rpg, 2.6spg, 2.8tpg, and 43% from 3

Ironically the last 5 games for Giannis: 17.6ppg, 2.8apg, 10.8rpg, 1.0spg, 1.6bpg, 2.4tpg on 67% TS

So it would appear that Brandon and Knight clearly work together as a pair, as Giannis big 5 game stretch directly relates to Knights best 5 game stretch of the season.

[paulpressey25]

Knight's Stats in 20/20/15 game intervals as PP asked:

I appreciate those. I've got an open mind here and for once the final 35 games of a Bucks season are going to mean something, both in wins and whether certain players prove they fit the core commensurate with the contracts they might want.

Knight, Middleton and Henson all have shown flashes of good to great play and Giannis obviously is blowing up. These four guys are playing well together (plus Bayless).

[randy84]

Knight's Stats in 20/20/15 game intervals as PP asked:

I appreciate those. I've got an open mind here and for once the final 35 games of a Bucks season are going to mean something, both in wins and whether certain players prove they fit the core commensurate with the contracts they might want.

Knight, Middleton and Henson all have shown flashes of good to great play and Giannis obviously is blowing up. These four guys are playing well together (plus Bayless).

I agree. Let the season play out instead of worrying what Knight is going to get in the off season. If he shows something over these final games then great, the guy will get paid his money. If doesn't help then I am sure Kidd will have no problem getting rid of him or not resigning him.

I have faith that Kidd will do the right thing.

[ampd]

RAPM doesn't work like that. It's only accurate in big minutes. Basic +/- will also be noisy as hell over 10 game splits.

I'd like to see the noise though on those and also the TS% for every 10 game or do it in sections of first 20 games, next 20 games and the last 15 games (which I know doubles up a couple games).

The RAPM in particular is entirely useless in that span. You wouldn't be looking at anything. On the basic stuff I'd guess his efficency has hit a wall in the last 10 and everyone else has shot well. The offense with Knight on for the season has gone from all time bad to just regular bad so the basic numbers will be good. Some might argue that has more to do with him getting the pleasure of playing with the player of the week though.

The difference is Khris Middleton.

Since Dec 29th, when Middleton was put back in the starting lineup, our starters have consistently outperformed their counterparts.

In that span, with Knight on / Johnny O'Bryant off -

507 min - Knight on - 104 ortg, 57.1 TS%.

Those would be good for 11th and 2nd in the league. Hardly "regular bad".

Our starting lineups since we switched JOB for Dudley -

Knight / MId / dudley / Giannis / Henson 111 ortg / 57.4 TS (Would be 1st / 2nd in the league for team)
Knight / Mid / Dudley / Giannis / Zaza 106 ortg / 58.9 TS% (Would be 7th / 1st in the league)

That's not "regular bad" that's good.

[AussieBuck]

That's not "regular bad" that's good.

This is you arguing with yourself.

[paulpressey25]

I have faith that Kidd will do the right thing.

I do as well.

There was that moment in the 4th quarter against the Celtics where Brandon made the dumb turnover and then took an ill-advised shot and Kidd immediately yanked him. Kidd and his staff completely get the issues here. It will be up to them to decide how important they think he will be going into next season.

I still think in the next 24-48 hours Wade will pull out of the ASG and Knight will get his spot.

[ampd]

That's not "regular bad" that's good.

This is you arguing with yourself.

I was just pointing out how these stats going from "all time bad" to "regular bad" actually happened. It hasn't happened by the team playing 'regular bad', bad, below average, etc, with Knight on the floor. Its happened by the team playing really well with Knight on the floor, and it's been going on longer than 5 games .

I do like arguing with myself though, so

[drew881]

RAPM doesn't work like that. It's only accurate in big minutes. Basic +/- will also be noisy as hell over 10 game splits.

I'd like to see the noise though on those and also the TS% for every 10 game or do it in sections of first 20 games, next 20 games and the last 15 games (which I know doubles up a couple games).

So I can go back to everyone quoting RAPM 10 games into the season and immediately write them off as BS? I'll go check and take names.

[AussieBuck]

That's not "regular bad" that's good.

This is you arguing with yourself.

I was just pointing out how these stats going from "all time bad" to "regular bad" actually happened. It hasn't happened by the team playing 'regular bad', bad, below average, etc, with Knight on the floor. Its happened by the team playing really well with Knight on the floor, and it's been going on longer than 5 games .

Yeah Middleton can lift the offense in a way Knight can't. Knight is also taking the usage that will be Parker's going forward. He doesn't fit at SG because Middleton is way better and we have a similar caliber backup combo guy who costs $3 million and we will have no problem keeping him going forward because he's Kidd's BFF. In summary Knight sucks and should have been traded by now.