Is Hornacek the problem?

[praisethesuns]

I can't wait for this fool to be fired. Why the hell is Warren not ever dressed. This guy is going to be a stud..... Lets see the rooks!

We would be a top 4 seed if only TJ Warren played more.

Hell, we should start him instead of Tucker.

And Goodwin should get all of Green's minutes.

And Ennis should get IT's minutes.

Zoran should get Goran's minutes.

I WANT TO SEE THE ROOKS, DAMMIT.

lol. Warren and Goodwin should have some minutes though.

[RaisingArizona]

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I can't wait for this fool to be fired. Why the hell is Warren not ever dressed. This guy is going to be a stud..... Lets see the rooks!

We would be a top 4 seed if only TJ Warren played more.

Hell, we should start him instead of Tucker.

And Goodwin should get all of Green's minutes.

And Ennis should get IT's minutes.

Zoran should get Goran's minutes.

I WANT TO SEE THE ROOKS, DAMMIT.

Yea because we're totally gonna be a top 4 seed right now with the rooks getting no playing time.

Yea I want us to be #9 seed again, I think that's more important than developing rookies for sure!

[MilotheSlayer]

I don't think the problem is Jeff, I think its the cards he's been dealt and how badly Sarver wants this team to make the playoffs. He wants to make the extra money from a few playoff games. I do think that McD is actively shopping multiple guys in order to free up playing time for the young guys. I also think if given high IQ guys that Jeff's defensive scheme would really show. Guys just give up lay up after layup and half the time its someone allowing a back cut. McD seems to be drafting guys with high IQ and understand the game. Hopefully we'll seem them in the near future.

[Revived]

I don't think the problem is Jeff, I think its the cards he's been dealt and how badly Sarver wants this team to make the playoffs. He wants to make the extra money from a few playoff games. I do think that McD is actively shopping multiple guys in order to free up playing time for the young guys. I also think if given high IQ guys that Jeff's defensive scheme would really show. Guys just give up lay up after layup and half the time its someone allowing a back cut. McD seems to be drafting guys with high IQ and understand the game. Hopefully we'll seem them in the near future.

I don't Scottie Pippen would play well in Hornacek "defensive scheme".

Wait, what is his scheme again? I have noticed that we have one.

I know Len actually tries on defense and that's why he gets benched so quick.

I gurantee if Len was garbage defensively but could shoot 3s, he would average 30+ mins a game. I would bet my life on it.

[MilotheSlayer]

I don't think the problem is Jeff, I think its the cards he's been dealt and how badly Sarver wants this team to make the playoffs. He wants to make the extra money from a few playoff games. I do think that McD is actively shopping multiple guys in order to free up playing time for the young guys. I also think if given high IQ guys that Jeff's defensive scheme would really show. Guys just give up lay up after layup and half the time its someone allowing a back cut. McD seems to be drafting guys with high IQ and understand the game. Hopefully we'll seem them in the near future.

I don't Scottie Pippen would play well in Hornacek "defensive scheme".

Wait, what is his scheme again? I have noticed that we have one.

I know Len actually tries on defense and that's why he gets benched so quick.

I gurantee if Len was garbage defensively but could shoot 3s, he would average 30+ mins a game. I would bet my life on it.

I think the biggest thing with Len is the FO is really taking their time bringing him along. They've done a great job monitoring his minutes and putting him in places where he can succeed and can keep his confidence high. I'm sure it bothers Len and bothers most fans but I like the long term slow development approach they're taking.

[Revived]

I don't think the problem is Jeff, I think its the cards he's been dealt and how badly Sarver wants this team to make the playoffs. He wants to make the extra money from a few playoff games. I do think that McD is actively shopping multiple guys in order to free up playing time for the young guys. I also think if given high IQ guys that Jeff's defensive scheme would really show. Guys just give up lay up after layup and half the time its someone allowing a back cut. McD seems to be drafting guys with high IQ and understand the game. Hopefully we'll seem them in the near future.

I don't Scottie Pippen would play well in Hornacek "defensive scheme".

Wait, what is his scheme again? I have noticed that we have one.

I know Len actually tries on defense and that's why he gets benched so quick.

I gurantee if Len was garbage defensively but could shoot 3s, he would average 30+ mins a game. I would bet my life on it.

I think the biggest thing with Len is the FO is really taking their time bringing him along. They've done a great job monitoring his minutes and putting him in places where he can succeed and can keep his confidence high. I'm sure it bothers Len and bothers most fans but I like the long term slow development approach they're taking.

It could hinder his confidence in the long run.

[RunDogGun]

I like the way they are bringing him along as well, but I don't like how the guards seem to overlook Len, when he has good position, or runs the floor. Len should be rewarded for that, even in limited minutes because of feet or ankle issues.

Maybe they thought something like tonight would happen, where Len might go all out, but his body isn't ready for it yet.

[MilotheSlayer]

I don't Scottie Pippen would play well in Hornacek "defensive scheme".

Wait, what is his scheme again? I have noticed that we have one.

I know Len actually tries on defense and that's why he gets benched so quick.

I gurantee if Len was garbage defensively but could shoot 3s, he would average 30+ mins a game. I would bet my life on it.

I think the biggest thing with Len is the FO is really taking their time bringing him along. They've done a great job monitoring his minutes and putting him in places where he can succeed and can keep his confidence high. I'm sure it bothers Len and bothers most fans but I like the long term slow development approach they're taking.

It could hinder his confidence in the long run.

It could, but with how last year went with him I'm okay being cautious. I think his 3rd year of playing (4th overall) we could see a mix of Valanciunas and Vucevic. With a little better defense. I'm okay with a career path like that.

[rsavaj]

I can't wait for this fool to be fired. Why the hell is Warren not ever dressed. This guy is going to be a stud..... Lets see the rooks!

We would be a top 4 seed if only TJ Warren played more.

Hell, we should start him instead of Tucker.

And Goodwin should get all of Green's minutes.

And Ennis should get IT's minutes.

Zoran should get Goran's minutes.

I WANT TO SEE THE ROOKS, DAMMIT.

Yea because we're totally gonna be a top 4 seed right now with the rooks getting no playing time.

Yea I want us to be #9 seed again, I think that's more important than developing rookies for sure!

If you want to see a team where rooks and sophomores get heavy minutes, you're gonna have to become a 76ers or Magic fan. I also want our young guys to play, but not simply because they're young. I don't think you should give people minutes they haven't earned. Len beat out Plumlee for the starting spot. I imagine that once Gerald leaves this summer, Archie and Reggie are gonna be competing doe the backup 2 spot.

Just my two cents.

[Barkley6]

I don't Scottie Pippen would play well in Hornacek "defensive scheme".

Wait, what is his scheme again? I have noticed that we have one.

I know Len actually tries on defense and that's why he gets benched so quick.

I gurantee if Len was garbage defensively but could shoot 3s, he would average 30+ mins a game. I would bet my life on it.

I think the biggest thing with Len is the FO is really taking their time bringing him along. They've done a great job monitoring his minutes and putting him in places where he can succeed and can keep his confidence high. I'm sure it bothers Len and bothers most fans but I like the long term slow development approach they're taking.

It could hinder his confidence in the long run.

Len isn't ready for big time minutes. He didn't play much last year due to injury and he's just starting to really find his game. I know we're all excited about what he can do, but over playing him before he's ready can also lead to confidence issues when he starts to make mistakes or his shot isn't there. Those are the times when you want to pull the kid aside, sit him down, let him think about it and give him time with the coaches instead of just letting him get frustrated on the court and picking up a dumb foul (or two).

[JMac1]

I think the biggest thing with Len is the FO is really taking their time bringing him along. They've done a great job monitoring his minutes and putting him in places where he can succeed and can keep his confidence high. I'm sure it bothers Len and bothers most fans but I like the long term slow development approach they're taking.

It could hinder his confidence in the long run.

Len isn't ready for big time minutes. He didn't play much last year due to injury and he's just starting to really find his game. I know we're all excited about what he can do, but over playing him before he's ready can also lead to confidence issues when he starts to make mistakes or his shot isn't there. Those are the times when you want to pull the kid aside, sit him down, let him think about it and give him time with the coaches instead of just letting him get frustrated on the court and picking up a dumb foul (or two).

What a crock of Zh!t! Every time I heard that old tire lame excuse it makes me want to vomit. It is called playing through it. Len may be a little zealous which leads to dumb fouls, but he isn't mentally soft. Five more minutes a game is "big" minutes? Play the guy 30-32 minutes a game give him 10 shots per and let the chips fall........

[Revived]

It could hinder his confidence in the long run.

Len isn't ready for big time minutes. He didn't play much last year due to injury and he's just starting to really find his game. I know we're all excited about what he can do, but over playing him before he's ready can also lead to confidence issues when he starts to make mistakes or his shot isn't there. Those are the times when you want to pull the kid aside, sit him down, let him think about it and give him time with the coaches instead of just letting him get frustrated on the court and picking up a dumb foul (or two).

What a crock of Zh!t! Every time I heard that old tire lame excuse it makes me want to vomit. It is called playing through it. Len may be a little zealous which leads to dumb fouls, but he isn't mentally soft. Five more minutes a game is "big" minutes? Play the guy 30-32 minutes a game give him 10 shots per and let the chips fall........

Agreed.

[RunDogGun]

It could hinder his confidence in the long run.

Len isn't ready for big time minutes. He didn't play much last year due to injury and he's just starting to really find his game. I know we're all excited about what he can do, but over playing him before he's ready can also lead to confidence issues when he starts to make mistakes or his shot isn't there. Those are the times when you want to pull the kid aside, sit him down, let him think about it and give him time with the coaches instead of just letting him get frustrated on the court and picking up a dumb foul (or two).

What a crock of Zh!t! Every time I heard that old tire lame excuse it makes me want to vomit. It is called playing through it. Len may be a little zealous which leads to dumb fouls, but he isn't mentally soft. Five more minutes a game is "big" minutes? Play the guy 30-32 minutes a game give him 10 shots per and let the chips fall........

And if he isn't physically able to handle 30-32 minutes a game right now? He was having pains in his feet, before the ankle roll. I just think they were being cautious with him. The last thing we need is for Len to be out a whole season because we pushed him. Plus lately, he has taken himself out of games with fouls. He DQ'd his first start.

[JMac1]

Len isn't ready for big time minutes. He didn't play much last year due to injury and he's just starting to really find his game. I know we're all excited about what he can do, but over playing him before he's ready can also lead to confidence issues when he starts to make mistakes or his shot isn't there. Those are the times when you want to pull the kid aside, sit him down, let him think about it and give him time with the coaches instead of just letting him get frustrated on the court and picking up a dumb foul (or two).

What a crock of Zh!t! Every time I heard that old tire lame excuse it makes me want to vomit. It is called playing through it. Len may be a little zealous which leads to dumb fouls, but he isn't mentally soft. Five more minutes a game is "big" minutes? Play the guy 30-32 minutes a game give him 10 shots per and let the chips fall........

And if he isn't physically able to handle 30-32 minutes a game right now? He was having pains in his feet, before the ankle roll. I just think they were being cautious with him. The last thing we need is for Len to be out a whole season because we pushed him. Plus lately, he has taken himself out of games with fouls. He DQ'd his first start.

If he is having ankle problems then it doesn't really matter, his goose is cooked; and playing him limited minutes is not going to stop the inevitable.

[RunDogGun]

What a crock of Zh!t! Every time I heard that old tire lame excuse it makes me want to vomit. It is called playing through it. Len may be a little zealous which leads to dumb fouls, but he isn't mentally soft. Five more minutes a game is "big" minutes? Play the guy 30-32 minutes a game give him 10 shots per and let the chips fall........

And if he isn't physically able to handle 30-32 minutes a game right now? He was having pains in his feet, before the ankle roll. I just think they were being cautious with him. The last thing we need is for Len to be out a whole season because we pushed him. Plus lately, he has taken himself out of games with fouls. He DQ'd his first start.

If he is having ankle problems then it doesn't really matter, his goose is cooked; and playing him limited minutes is not going to stop the inevitable.

He had ankle problems when we drafted him. So much so that they had precautionary surgery on the other ankle (the one he just rolled). But before this recent roll, he was having pain in his feet, so they limited his minutes. I thought this was common knowledge here. It was posted a little while back, when he was just starting games.

[bigfoot]

There is a big difference between stress fractures in the ankles and rolling an ankle (bones versus ligaments). The surgeries were about addressing the stress fractures. If you play any sport you better be ready for sprained ankles and playing on partial sprains. That's just part of the business.

[RunDogGun]

There is a big difference between stress fractures in the ankles and rolling an ankle (bones versus ligaments). The surgeries were about addressing the stress fractures. If you play any sport you better be ready for sprained ankles and playing on partial sprains. That's just part of the business.

Ok. What did I write that is confusing people? JMac, was saying ankle issues was an end game. I just stated he had ankle issues when we signed him. Nothing new, right? He did roll the same ankle that was worked on as a precaution, yes?

He was complaining about foot pain not too long ago, and that is what had limited his minutes, well that and his foul issues.

I made no leaps in connection to foot pain and the ankle issues from earlier. Just that those injuries/pain is what keeps Len from playing 30-32 minutes like JMac hoped he would play. Again, his foul trouble hasn't helped him stay on the floor.

I'm not too concerned about the ankles at this point, although I hope they take it slow, and he comes back 100%. I'm a little concerned about the foot pain, because that could be something else entirely.

[thamadkant]

Len's shoes are designed for smaller players, I have those shoes and ankle protection isn't top notch.

Should be wearing ankle braces, it won't affect his movement much. He needs to watch Curry and use similar ankle protection accessories he uses.

At least Len should avoid off season basketball commitments to prevent any unnecessary wear and tear.

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Can Kerrsed or a mod add a poll to this thread?