Trade Targets (postcript on yesterday-other teams)

Prince12 · Post #3821 » by **Prince12** » Tue Feb 10, 2015 9:35 am

Second quarter without Knight showed how damaging Giannis can be with the reigns of the offense. 3rd quarter was the opposite. I hope they are at least guaging interest.

Licensed to Il · Post #3822 » by **Licensed to Il** » Tue Feb 10, 2015 3:32 pm

Ricky Rubio and Glenn Robinson III for Knight and Henson work on the ESPN trade checker. I would love for the Bucks to explore something like this. I'm not sure that the Wolves are interested in trading Rubio, but with Wiggins and Lavine looking like building blocks maybe it is time for them to revisit who their core is. Knight, Lavine, Wiggins, and Dieng offer a lot to like.

I know Rubio has been debated here a ton. I think he is the closest thing to Kidd we have seen in the NBA... not saying they are twins or anything. The parallels are probably obvious: good size, elite court vision and creativity, crafty defense, poor outside shooting... I think Rubio still has some developmental upside, he is only 24, and has always languished on bad rosters in Minny.

I think Rubio, Middleton, Giannis, Parker, and a Plumlee type at center (active rebounder, screener, finisher) looks real nice moving forward.

tski1972 · Post #3823 » by **tski1972** » Tue Feb 10, 2015 3:48 pm

a rumor or two would be nice.

I still don't expect the Bucks to do anything.

JimmyTheKid · Post #3824 » by **JimmyTheKid** » Tue Feb 10, 2015 4:05 pm

tski1972 wrote:a rumor or two would be nice.

I still don't expect the Bucks to do anything.

Again, I'm fine with zero moves. Would prefer to bring in a big who can beast on the defensive glass (unlike Henson) and finish around the rim (unlike Zaza) but I'm fine with seeing how this all plays out with our current roster. I'd also prefer shopping Knight but that seems like a pipe dream at this point.

LUKE23 · Post #3825 » by **LUKE23** » Tue Feb 10, 2015 4:17 pm

For me with Knight it's simple math. You either want Giannis and Parker to be 25%+ usage guys, or you don't. It's not happening with Knight at PG. It makes far more sense to allocate that money elsewhere, move more FGA to Parker/Giannis/Middleton, and get a distributing defending PG that will cost less money. We only have one basketball and right now excluding Knight we have three guys that need it.

Post #3826 » by **ReasonablySober** » Tue Feb 10, 2015 4:23 pm

LUKE23 wrote:For me with Knight it's simple math. You either want Giannis and Parker to be 25%+ usage guys, or you don't. It's not happening with Knight at PG. It makes far more sense to allocate that money elsewhere, move more FGA to Parker/Giannis/Middleton, and get a distributing defending PG that will cost less money. We only have one basketball and right now excluding Knight we have three guys that need it.

Knight makes even less sense when you watch Middleton and observe how useful he can be within the flow of the offense. He'll do well here defensively, but he's now showing he good he can be in the corner or on the block. He doesn't need 15-20 possessions a game, but ten field goal attempts a night should be a baseline.

mlloyd10 · Post #3827 » by **mlloyd10** » Tue Feb 10, 2015 4:23 pm

Is Rubio the answer?

Thunder Muscle · Post #3828 » by **Thunder Muscle** » Tue Feb 10, 2015 4:25 pm

In 00-01, Cassell had a usage of 24.4 and Allen (24.9), Big Dog (29.2) were above him. Could Knight work in Cassell type role? Cassell was a scorer too. He was probably better PG I guess is one reason it maybe doesn't work.

JimmyTheKid · Post #3829 » by **JimmyTheKid** » Tue Feb 10, 2015 4:28 pm

mlloyd10 wrote:Is Rubio the answer?

I would assume Jason Kidd loves the way Ricky Rubio plays the point guard position. The thought of a Rubio (and Marshall), Middleton, Giannis, and Jabari core is what wet dreams are made of.

LUKE23 · Post #3830 » by **LUKE23** » Tue Feb 10, 2015 4:29 pm

Thunder Muscle wrote:In 00-01, Cassell had a usage of 24.4 and Allen (24.9), Big Dog (29.2) were above him. Could Knight work in Cassell type role? Cassell was a scorer too. He was probably better PG I guess is one reason it maybe doesn't work.

They started Pope, Caffey, Scott Williams, and Ervin Johnson at PF/C though. Guys who didn't need any usage and scored completely based on opportunity. I think we have a guy we want at at least 20% in Middleton already with our star two guys. I think Parker/Giannis/MIddleton are at minimum 70% usage ideally, if not pushing 75-80 as Parker/Giannis mature. I want defense, passing, and shooting around those 3, not a high usage guy that often stops the ball.

BobbyLight · Post #3831 » by **BobbyLight** » Tue Feb 10, 2015 4:30 pm

The one thing that gives me some solace with signing Knight is that Kidd wants to win, so all this talk about usage and whatever else could be moot. I know Kidd has let Knight get away with murder at times (but I think that's helped overall) and not force fed Giannis like some wanted. But it kind of seems like Kidd knows what he is doing with Giannis and now that he is getting better and getting confidence, he is getting plays ran for him and he is getting shots.

TL;DR

Kidd will tell Knight to get the ball to Giannis and Parker once they are the best scoring options on the team. Kidd isn't going to continue to let Knight get away with murder.

Giannis Parker · Post #3832 » by **Giannis Parker** » Tue Feb 10, 2015 4:48 pm

JimmyTheKid wrote:
mlloyd10 wrote:Is Rubio the answer?

I would assume Jason Kidd loves the way Ricky Rubio plays the point guard position. The thought of a Rubio (and Marshall), Middleton, Giannis, and Jabari core is what wet dreams are made of.

Except Rubio is a worse defender than Marshall and is always hurt. That contract could be an albatross.

Rubio would be a horrible idea for our team, we do not need a prima donna ego around Jabari and Giannis, and yes, Rubio is entirely all about self when talking to media. He will find a way to make the team entirely about him.

LUKE23 · Post #3833 » by **LUKE23** » Tue Feb 10, 2015 4:51 pm

Giannis Parker wrote:Except Rubio is a worse defender than Marshall and is always hurt. That contract could be an albatross.

Rubio would be a horrible idea for our team, we do not need a prima donna ego around Jabari and Giannis, and yes, Rubio is entirely all about self when talking to media. He will find a way to make the team entirely about him.

I still am trying to figure out if you are continuously trolling the board, or just don't know much about the league in general. Rubio is one of the best defenders in the league. You don't only see this when you watch him (it's obvious), but the TWolves are 11.4 points per 100 possessions better defensively with him on the floor. You really need to refrain from posting for a bit.

Turk Nowitzki · Post #3834 » by **Turk Nowitzki** » Tue Feb 10, 2015 4:52 pm

Giannis Parker wrote:
JimmyTheKid wrote:
mlloyd10 wrote:Is Rubio the answer?

I would assume Jason Kidd loves the way Ricky Rubio plays the point guard position. The thought of a Rubio (and Marshall), Middleton, Giannis, and Jabari core is what wet dreams are made of.

Except Rubio is a worse defender than Marshall and is always hurt. That contract could be an albatross.

Rubio would be a horrible idea for our team, we do not need a prima donna ego around Jabari and Giannis, and yes, Rubio is entirely all about self when talking to media. He will find a way to make the team entirely about him.

mlloyd10 · Post #3835 » by **mlloyd10** » Tue Feb 10, 2015 5:02 pm

Giannis Parker wrote:
JimmyTheKid wrote:
mlloyd10 wrote:Is Rubio the answer?

I would assume Jason Kidd loves the way Ricky Rubio plays the point guard position. The thought of a Rubio (and Marshall), Middleton, Giannis, and Jabari core is what wet dreams are made of.

Except Rubio is a worse defender than Marshall and is always hurt. That contract could be an albatross.

Rubio would be a horrible idea for our team, we do not need a prima donna ego around Jabari and Giannis, and yes, Rubio is entirely all about self when talking to media. He will find a way to make the team entirely about him.

Yeah...This isn't correct at all

mlloyd10 · Post #3836 » by **mlloyd10** » Tue Feb 10, 2015 5:07 pm

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_ ... position/1
Rubio is top 10 this year

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_ ... position/1
Rubio was #2 last year

Dcebucks11 · Post #3837 » by **Dcebucks11** » Tue Feb 10, 2015 5:08 pm

Give me Rubio over knight any day, but why would they want knight taking away scoring for wiggins lavine shabazz and their 1st rd pick.

LUKE23 · Post #3838 » by **LUKE23** » Tue Feb 10, 2015 5:08 pm

Giannis Parker wrote:I said nothing wrong, Marshall is at 105 this year with Rubio at 110.

System matters when you look at defense.

I guess in this instance the #'s mean nothing, must have to use the eye test, but in regards to Knight, nope, numbers are the zen master of all discussion.

I have no idea what you are looking at.

Rubio:

http://www.82games.com/1415/14MIN1.HTM

On: 102.4
Off: 113.8

Marshall:

http://www.82games.com/1415/14MIL4.HTM

On: 104.0
Off: 103.4

Of course team D is measured. That's what impacts wins and losses. And yeah, you do use the eye test for defense as well. It's clear you haven't seen Rubio play.

Post #3839 » by **MickeyDavis** » Tue Feb 10, 2015 5:11 pm

If anyone has a question about posts/threads or anything else feel free to PM myself and/or PP25. In the meantime keep the discussion on topic please.

JimmyTheKid · Post #3840 » by **JimmyTheKid** » Tue Feb 10, 2015 5:48 pm

Giannis Parker wrote:
JimmyTheKid wrote:
mlloyd10 wrote:Is Rubio the answer?

I would assume Jason Kidd loves the way Ricky Rubio plays the point guard position. The thought of a Rubio (and Marshall), Middleton, Giannis, and Jabari core is what wet dreams are made of.

Except Rubio is a worse defender than Marshall and is always hurt. That contract could be an albatross.

Rubio would be a horrible idea for our team, we do not need a prima donna ego around Jabari and Giannis, and yes, Rubio is entirely all about self when talking to media. He will find a way to make the team entirely about him.

Granted I don't watch every Timberwolves game, but from what I've seen of Rubio here and there I'm going to go ahead and disagree with you.