Official Trade Thread: The Block Is Hot!!

[rsavaj]

What happens if McD brings back Gerald? We all talk like he's going to move on but what happens if he signs back with us? He seems to like it here and we've revitalized his career. I could even see him taking a pay cut to stay.

Then you better hope we have a deal in place to move our young guys for a difference maker because as long as Gerald, Marcus and Tucker are here, Warren/Archie/Bullock are just practice players.

I think McDonough will move on from Green since he's already 29 and we have an entire kitchen shelf's worth of guys who need minutes behind him. If he does offer a contract, I wouldn't be surprised if it was really low, forcing Gerald to choose between much better money elsewhere and staying in Phoenix.

[rsavaj]

Why Dragic is unlikely to be traded this season:

There’s no deal, across the league for Dragic to be found. He’s not good enough for a bad team to build around, too risky on an expiring contract for a good team to invest in, and costs too much for a contender, assets wise, to be able to pay McDonough for him and still be a contender. The Rockets would love Goran Dragic, and maybe they love him so much that Morey can be tricked into over spending on him, but right now expect Goran to be with Phoenix at least until this summer.

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2015/ ... ntradeable

[Fo-Real]

You know, for a trade thread there arent many trade ideas coming from anyone. Seems more like a gripe session about players weaknesses. I still think we could and should trade Thomas and Green for Big Al. Add post presence while giving the youngins a chance to play.... Get ready Archie and Tyler. Also think Warren deserves minutes on the floor, so limit the chucking of Marcus and the bricks of PJ.

[Revived]

With the Hornets acquiring Mo Williams, it looks like we can cross them off the list of possible suitors for IT.

[Fo-Real]

DAMNIT!!!!!

[asubennett]

Anyone who watches basketball can identify that IT is one of this team's biggest issues -

* He is a ball stopper. Their is a reason why Sacramento no longer wanted him
* Can he score efficiently at times? Yes - Can Gerald Green do the same? Yes - We have too many microwaves
* Three PG lineup is horrible to watch. I absolutely hate it. Bad basketball.
* My opinion -

IT needs to go. G. Green needs to go.

* Give Archie an extended look at SG next year or find a taller SG who can play.
* Move Dragic to 6th man role
* Bledsoe needs to be 35+MPG and Primary Ball Handler all of the time

I don't feel like our best players play enough right now. Hornaceks rotations are so messed up.

The Kings aren't performing much better this year than they did last year, so IT is hardly to blame. The role IT has now as our bench spark plug is perfect. I don't mind him there. Green can go for sure.
I feel like we need to trade Dragic for a more traditional SG. Would love to see if we can swing a deal of Dragic/picks/fillers for Gordon Hayward. Hornacek would be a perfect mentor for that kid.

They aren't performing any worse either. When teams loose good players they play worse. Kings are marginally better less IT> We are marginally worse plus IT.

[Fo-Real]

We are running out of chances to get rid of him!

[Fo-Real]

I see ya lookin NotTraxxe.... got any info?

[NotTraxxe]

Won't be commenting this trade season at all. Sorry guys. Gag order in effect for yours truly, lol. Trades will break when they are done most likely for if they are leaked from the other team.

[Fo-Real]

STRIKE TWO!!!!! DAMNIT!!!!

[Bogyo]

(also, when you compare the best game of a great all-nba season to the best game of some lame mo williams and corey brewer, lucky, once in a lifetime performance, you are not doing any favors to your arguments)

LOL, You do realize that Mo Williams was an all-star right? I could post his career high game from that ALL-STAR SEASON if it makes you feel better. I mean, if Gorans once in a lifetime performance of 44 points is ok to post, and Mo WIlliams 55 points isnt due to the fact that it wasnt during a "great all-nba season" as you so pointed out, how about i post one of his? Well, i cant post his 44 point game against the Suns that season because it isnt on Youtube, but i can post his 43 point game against the Kings that came just 2 weeks after.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Fp34Mgb60c[/youtube]

Yup, that was during his "All-Star" season. Both of them were. Along with 4 other 30+ point games. Lame Mo Williams.

Are we arguing about Mo efffing Williams? In a season where he was selected to the allstar game from LeBrons coattail, after not one but two injuries to the leastern conference team? You do realize that this is a "funny" argument, right? We could compare their stats in the respective seasons if you'd like - but I'm pretty sure you won't.

How about the other points I made that the guys taking up Dragic's place/opportunities are not as good as him at running a team?

[Bogyo]

sry, double post

[letsgosuns]

Everyone calls us a 3 PG team yet none of them are true PG's. I don't think you need one to win a title anyway. Who was the last team that had a natural "pass first" PG to win a championship?

I agree with this. I do not believe you have to have a pass first point guard to win a championship. I think they just have to be unselfish and not a ball hog. The last pass first point guards I can think of to win a championship were Jason Kidd and Rajon Rondo and both of them were not the stars of the team when they won. All the other champions usually had great shooting guards and big men with a role playing point guard or scoring point guard. Tony Parker to me is the ultimate scoring point guard who is unstoppable yet he is not selfish. Steve Nash, Chris Paul, Deron Williams (when he was younger), all great passing point guards and not one of them has even made the finals. John Stockton is the best example of a pure passing point guard that never won the championship.

I think Bledsoe would become unselfish if he was given the reigns of this team. Maybe he could play in the style of how Gary Payton played without the trash talk. Average around 18-20 ppg and 8-9 asst with smothering defense.

Right now, the three point guard system is so stupid and all three players want the ball. You can literally compare anything in life to it to analogize how redundant it is. Does a musical group really need two or three lead singers, or do they need a singer, a bass player, a drummer, and maybe a rhythm and lead guitarist. Pretty obvious to me. No need to have so many cooks in the kitchen.

[Bogyo]

Anyone who watches basketball can identify that IT is one of this team's biggest issues -

* He is a ball stopper. Their is a reason why Sacramento no longer wanted him
* Can he score efficiently at times? Yes - Can Gerald Green do the same? Yes - We have too many microwaves
* Three PG lineup is horrible to watch. I absolutely hate it. Bad basketball.
* My opinion -

IT needs to go. G. Green needs to go.

* Give Archie an extended look at SG next year or find a taller SG who can play.
* Move Dragic to 6th man role
* Bledsoe needs to be 35+MPG and Primary Ball Handler all of the time

I don't feel like our best players play enough right now. Hornaceks rotations are so messed up.

The Kings aren't performing much better this year than they did last year, so IT is hardly to blame. The role IT has now as our bench spark plug is perfect. I don't mind him there. Green can go for sure.
I feel like we need to trade Dragic for a more traditional SG. Would love to see if we can swing a deal of Dragic/picks/fillers for Gordon Hayward. Hornacek would be a perfect mentor for that kid.

They aren't performing any worse either. When teams loose good players they play worse. Kings are marginally better less IT> We are marginally worse plus IT.

That must be a coincidence!

[Fo-Real]

You would think that with 3 pg.s that our bigs would have it easier getting dimes thrown to them and getting easy buckets, like Plum last year. But that isnt the case is it? Most of thier assists are to jump shooters or one on one moves, not guys cutting to the basket, because... who cuts to the damn basket on this team. All of our guys camp at the 3 and either settle there or take a step or two in and chuck. GET TO THE DAMN BASKET.... GET FOULED!!!

[In Len We Trust]

I think we keep IT as Dragic insurance and then wait probably a year or 2 until there is a higher demand for a really good PG on a good salary. McD won't sell low on anyone.

[Fo-Real]

I dont think us losing Isiah would hurt us in the long run either.

[letsgosuns]

You would think that with 3 pg.s that our bigs would have it easier getting dimes thrown to them and getting easy buckets, like Plum last year. But that isnt the case is it? Most of thier assists are to jump shooters or one on one moves, not guys cutting to the basket, because... who cuts to the damn basket on this team. All of our guys camp at the 3 and either settle there or take a step or two in and chuck. GET TO THE DAMN BASKET.... GET FOULED!!!

Exactly. But the point guards on the Suns are selfish. And I have no clue why some fans think Dragic is a great passer. He is not. He has one season season averaging 7.4 asst in 2012-2013. His next highest assist total is 5.9 asst from last season. This year he is down to 4.1 asst. He consistently looks for his shot first and then many times passes just to bail himself out.

As I said earlier this season, I consider Dragic a ball hog. He is not a ball stopper, but a ball hog. Isaiah Thomas is a ball hog AND a ball stopper. Sometimes he dribbles for 15-20 seconds until he makes a move. He holds the ball for so long before he shoots (what he usually does) or makes a pass. If Thomas was a 6'5" shooting guard that shot a lot, so be it. Shooting guards are supposed to shoot. A point guard's main job is to run the offense and create easy shots for teammates. Bledsoe is the only one I see try to do that consistently on this team. If it was not for the Suns open shooters like P.J. Tucker or Marcus Morris bricking so many shots, Bledsoe's assists numbers would be higher.

Bledsoe probably gets the most turnovers of any of the point guards. A reason for that is a lot of times he is forcing the issue trying to pass the ball and sometimes he makes a bad pass. Other times he makes a good pass and the players cannot handle it, like Plumlee. At least he is trying to pass the ball to set up shots for teammates. You can see how much different he plays than Dragic and Thomas. And by the way, I think T.J. Warren in his miniscule amount of playing time has already proven to be the best cutter on this team. I would play him over Marcus "Iso Only" Morris any day.

[sunsbum]

Ive always disliked how bandwagon this board is with players but this is getting outright ridiculous. Last year it was probably 2 other people and I vehemently defending Len. Now I really have to come in here and remind you guys that goran had one of the best years in suns HISTORY last year? Dragic took a pack of NBA scrubs to within a few games of the 8th seed.........without Len. I swear some of you would turn a cheek to your own mothers teet.

Your memory is faulty. Last year Goran took a group of players to a .500 record. Goran AND Eric took them to within a few games of the 8th seed. Many people said it time and again here, Frye was critical to our success last season. Frye is gone and so is Goran the almost superstar. It's one thing to let Frye go, let's face it he's a specialist not a star - but it's a real problem to not replace him with another stretch forward that complements Goran's game. Not providing Dragic the space he needs to excel along with his decision to once again play year around is the problem. Not Eric, not IT, not Jeff.

Oh you are talking about eric bledsoe, the dude that missed half the season last year right? OK. The fry crutch is getting real old, MM is able to stretch the floor just as well as frye and he has the ability to put the ball on the floor which makes him MUCH more of a spacer than frye was. I wont disagree with you in the fact that he is playing too much year round but if you think taking the ball out of his hands, changing his position has nothing to do with his SLIGHT drop off I dont know what to tell you.

Hes basically on par with his numbers last year, the only reason his scoring is down is because he has 2 FTM (from having the ball taken out of his hands) less a game and his three point % has dropped. Goran is the same dude.

[jredsaz]

PHO: Stauskas/Williams/SAC 1st (Top 10 protected via CHI)
CHI: Dragic/Plumlee
SAC: Gibson

Suns give up on playoffs but get great assets.
Bulls get a piece that could push them over the top.
Kings get a solid vet at a position of need on a great contact.