2015-2016 Dream Lineup

[Pharmcat]

a lot of these lineups dont take into account millsap and dragic will get max money, not near max money

[DickGrayson]

People don't realize it because they don't watch many Bucks games outside of him killing Ray but Brandon Knight is terrible. He can score but outside of that he's the worst PG in the league. I'd take Charlotte Felton over Knight 10 days out the week and there's a large group of Bucks fans that want absolutely nothing to do with the guy and for good reason.

Danny Green is also one of the most inconsistent shooters in the league. He's almost as inconsistent as JR but he plays less minutes (think Denver JR). That frontcourt doe.

This nonsense ends now.

Danny Green is shooting 41% from 3pt.

hes shooting 40% which is like top 15-20 in the NBA.




if Danny Green is inconsistent, then who is consistent? He's up there with one of the best shooters in the NBA.

And JR was 39% last year. Doesn't mean he's consistent. He's on 60% of games and off 40%. 6 3/5 games and 4 1/5 games means you are 44% but you were still bad in 40% of the games you played.

JR Smith is a career 37% 3pt shooter, that comparison is weightless.
Your last sentence may have to be one of the least intelligent things I read on this website. Danny Green shoots as good as anyone in the NBA not named Kyle Korver, Nash, Stephen Curry or Klay Thompson. I don't think you understand statistics or basketball games well, and Manu Ginboili doesn't play a lot of minutes either in San Antonio, thats just Pop system. So that comment you made about "Danny Green can't play a lot of minutes" gets blown up. Manu would been playing 35-38 minutes in any other organization earlier in his career, but Pops always utilized Manu as a bench guy.

Sorry man, the Danny Green downplaying isn't working. Especially when you're trying to downplay one of the attributes he's ELITE at. Top 10 shooter in the NBA.

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He hits them when they count, bench clutch for SA. Proven player. We'll be lucky to have him.

He shot 70% in the NBA finals. But yea, he's inconsistent. He needs shoot 80% 3pt according to you.

[DickGrayson]

I'm not a fan of Danny Green. We would definitely overpay for a mediocre talent.

I'd much rather max out Jimmy Butler or Leonard and if that doesn't work we should try to get Mathews.

After that, we go after Paul Millsap or Draymond Green. Phil has to use his Zen this FA. I think we'll be okay though.

You must not like championship basketball then. He's a top 10 top shooter at his position and top defender.

any guy who plays good defense on LeBron James in the NBA finals isn't "mediocre"

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Theres no such thing as overpaying for Green, he's not a max player, but he would be perfect at 8-10 million. much rather have that then invest the max into guys who would just be role players in NY next to Melo. (Butler and Leonard)

and a big man should be priority in this free agency. Not a wing.

Knicks have the worst big man depth in the NBA. We need to pull someone from free agency and draft one also to add depth and secure Melo from guarding centers and PFs. that takes too much on his body.

[fresko024]

I'm not a fan of Danny Green. We would definitely overpay for a mediocre talent.

I'd much rather max out Jimmy Butler or Leonard and if that doesn't work we should try to get Mathews.

After that, we go after Paul Millsap or Draymond Green. Phil has to use his Zen this FA. I think we'll be okay though.

You must not like championship basketball then. He's a top 10 top shooter at his position and top defender.

any guy who plays good defense on LeBron James in the NBA finals isn't "mediocre"

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Theres no such thing as overpaying for Green, he's not a max player, but he would be perfect at 8-10 million. much rather have that then invest the max into guys who would just be role players in NY next to Melo. (Butler and Leonard)

and a big man should be priority in this free agency. Not a wing.

Knicks have the worst big man depth in the NBA. We need to pull someone from free agency and draft one also to add depth and secure Melo from guarding centers and PFs. that takes too much on his body.

I hear you but I'd much rather have Leonard or Butler, who are much younger than all of the bigs coming out in FA.

Leonard was the MVP of that finals just in case you forgot, it wasn't Green.

[E-Balla]

This nonsense ends now.

Danny Green is shooting 41% from 3pt.

hes shooting 40% which is like top 15-20 in the NBA.




if Danny Green is inconsistent, then who is consistent? He's up there with one of the best shooters in the NBA.

And JR was 39% last year. Doesn't mean he's consistent. He's on 60% of games and off 40%. 6 3/5 games and 4 1/5 games means you are 44% but you were still bad in 40% of the games you played.

JR Smith is a career 37% 3pt shooter, that comparison is weightless.
Your last sentence may have to be one of the least intelligent things I read on this website. Danny Green shoots as good as anyone in the NBA not named Kyle Korver, Nash, Stephen Curry or Klay Thompson. I don't think you understand statistics or basketball games well, and Manu Ginboili doesn't play a lot of minutes either in San Antonio, thats just Pop system. So that comment you made about "Danny Green can't play a lot of minutes" gets blown up. Manu would been playing 35-38 minutes in any other organization earlier in his career, but Pops always utilized Manu as a bench guy.

Sorry man, the Danny Green downplaying isn't working. Especially when you're trying to downplay one of the attributes he's ELITE at. Top 10 shooter in the NBA.

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He hits them when they count, bench clutch for SA. Proven player. We'll be lucky to have him.

He shot 70% in the NBA finals. But yea, he's inconsistent. He needs shoot 80% 3pt according to you.

Danny Green has played 52 games this year. He's hit more than 2 3s only 32 times (so again my 60/40 split was about right).
Kyle Korver has hit 2 or more 43 of his 52 games, Klay in 44 out of 50 games, and Curry in 39 of 50 games. Wes Matthews hit 2 or more threes in 44 out of 52 games. Basically if you look around the league at guys attempting 5 threes a game and hitting at least 38% of the Danny Green has the most games under 2 threes made. That makes him inconsistent. He's a very good player that definitely above average but for all this talk about guys flourishing in systems I think Danny Green is a major example of just that. Even in his career season (which is this season right now) he can't hit shots consistently enough to be a threat in 75% of the games he plays and when he can't hit his shots he's useless.

[BBALLER4FR]

Get rid of Calderon by packaging him with Hardaway.

Let me have...

PG - Galloway/Larkin
SG - Russell/C. Early
SF - Melo/AnAttemptAtGumbo
PF - T. Gibson/Amundson
C - Gasol (pipe dream)/Smith (vomit worthy)/Aldrich (by default - for depth)

Legitimize the front line, get Melo a some wing help and continue to make progress with Galloway/Larkin/Early/Letter Soup

[BodyCount]

First thing first! We trade Carmelo to Clippers for Paul and we go with:

Gasol
Okafor
Leonard (yes we sign him rofl, San Antonio finally collapses and goes for rebuild and there's no room for leonard! )
Green or whoever can hit shots
Paul

Ofcourse we managed to dispose of Calderon and Prigioni somehow in the process

Scenario 2:
We get GM of minesota drunk and trick him into signing trade Anthony for wiggins, before that, we got anthony drunk and persuaded him to drop trade clause.

so we roll with:
Gasol
Okafor
Wiggins
Leonard
Dragic or whoever

yeah I got Okafor on PF, I don't give a f.... he's young he'll adapt So will Leonard on SG!¨

But we'll most likely end with something like:
Towns
Monroe
Anthony
someone
Calderon

[bigfnjoe96]

If this happens . That could potentially lead to a:

Russell(or Dragic for 12 starting)/Curry (part of MLE)/Gallo II
Matthews (9)/Timmy
Melo
Green (12)/Looney
Towns(or Hibbert for 11 starting)/Ajinca (part of MLE)


That's a nice rotation. I don't think we can pull that trade off though. Also I really want to work Khris Middleton into some of these. I don't think Milwaukee pays both him and Knight and he's a better player than Knight that's seen as worse because he's relatively unknown to non Bucks fans.

With Hinke you never know. I'd even try to fleece him for MCW the 3rd or 4th & 13th for the Top Pick if we get it.

[Nazrmohamed]

If we can't overpay for LaMarcus Aldridge , Paul Millsap or Draymond Green and pry them away from winning teams we will have a big hole at PF. The other available options at this position are weak compared to guards and centers. The next tier is Tristan Thompson and David West

Or you can simply insert our best PF in the last two decades. Carmelo Anthony who is now a much slower player and has no business out on the wings. Then you offset it with size everywhere else. Could always land a tall PG- Mudai/Russel. Could also add either a tall or stocky SG-Green/Matthews. Could always add a longs and athletic SF- Butler/Leonard/Chandler and you could always land a huge C-Hibbert/Gasol/Jordan/Askik

And before you know it, you arent really all that small as you thought and your lineup could resemble

Mudaiy
Matthews10
Chandler8
Melo
Hibbert15

Solid 33 mil well spent. I dont know that Hibbert is trully a max player with the 15 I gave him but you always pay for size and hes the lynchpin of your defense. But in any case you got three solid starters to add to a superstar and a rookie who should end up a solid star in this league. You could even split up the money more. Say for instance Wilson Chandler doesnt wow you at SF. You could probably steal away Jared Dudley for about 5 and still have about 3 mil on a lockerrroom vet.

This is a fun thread but everything cant be splashy. I remember winning the division with the oldest team in history and even I thought the old guys would suck and was excited about a few younger guys. Turns out the older guys were the most instrumental in helping us win. So my point isnt to say to gi out and get old guys for the sake of it but just remember that if you trully can get at least two solid talents and somehow end up with 8 mil left to spend, theres nothing wrong with splitting that 8 mil up. There are always guys who were former good players who now have to tag along to playoff rosters. Guys like Jermain Oneal and Ray Allen who teams are waiting for thier decision. Three guys like that could go further than one guy making 8 mil.

[xsaberx]

a lot of these lineups dont take into account millsap and dragic will get max money, not near max money

I really hope you are wrong - they are not max players... 9-12 yr is what they are worth

[bringbackhoffa]

Raymond Felton
Lance Stephenson
Anthony Bennett
Andrea Bargnani
Eddy Curry

[bringbackhoffa]

a lot of these lineups dont take into account millsap and dragic will get max money, not near max money

I really hope you are wrong - they are not max players... 9-12 yr is what they are worth

Dragic is definately going to get Max, and I definately see Atlanta re-signing Milsap for near max for 5 years. Also, really do not see Gasol leaving Memphis especially is they make a deep play-off run (do not think he wants to be part of a re-build at this point in his career)
Players like Amir Johnson will be getting between 9-12 mil, i know this sucks but thats where the nba is going in terms of salary. look at a player like calderon making $7mil+ and that was before the new tv deal was annouced and he was not even considered a top 25 pg let alone would not be considered a starting pg on many playoff teams

[mpharris36]

a lot of these lineups dont take into account millsap and dragic will get max money, not near max money

I really hope you are wrong - they are not max players... 9-12 yr is what they are worth

come on 9-12?

JR got 7 Claderon is making 7.

Meeks got 6.

Nick Collison just got 4 per year.

These guys will be in the 14-15 million dollar range for sure.

[Yankeeknickfan]

If the nba was like MLB things would be alot easier

[Thorn]

If this offseason went perfectly, who would you have as starters for the Knicks next year?

Assume we are able to trade Calderon, and clear his salary for next year, leaving us with 33 million to spend on free agents.

Choose your first round pick.

Be realistic in terms of salary.

I think this is a nice list of free agents:
http://www.basketballinsiders.com/2015- ... -by-tiers/

(And I'd hesitate to include Kawhi or Jimmy Butler because they will be matched)



For instance:

C: Okafor
PF: Draymond Green or Milsap (12 mil)
SF: Melo
SG: Wesley Matthews (10 mil)
PG: Dragic (11 mil)

or

C: Gasol (18 mil - max)
PF: Amir Johnson (7 mil)
SF: Melo
SG: Danny Green (8 mil)
PG: Mudiay

For me...

C: Marc Gasol ($15,829,688) / Timofey Mozgov / Jason SMith
PF: Kevin Love ($16,744,219) / Brandon Bass / Travis Wear
SF: Cleanthony Early / Thanasis Antetokounmpo
SG: Aron Affalo - ($8,000) / Tim Hardaway Jr. ($1,304,520)
PG: Dragic /Jose Calderon ($7,402,812) /Langston Galloway ($845,059)

Cap: $66.3 million

I need to look at the numbers a bit more, and give it some though but this is a work in progress.

[JXL]

PG: Reggie Jackson/Jose Calderon/Langston Galloway
SG: Thanasis Antetokoumpo/Tim Hardaway Jr.
SF: Carmelo Anthony/Cleanthony Early
PF: Tobias Harris/Brandon Bass/Travis Wear
C: Jahlil Okafor/Jason Smith/Cole Aldrich

[Moose]

a lot of these lineups dont take into account millsap and dragic will get max money, not near max money

I really hope you are wrong - they are not max players... 9-12 yr is what they are worth

Millsap is making 14 million. Even before the season, he was at 12.

Dragic is no less than 12 million and odds are he will be closer to 14 mill as well.

Free agency is a b*tch.

[DickGrayson]

And JR was 39% last year. Doesn't mean he's consistent. He's on 60% of games and off 40%. 6 3/5 games and 4 1/5 games means you are 44% but you were still bad in 40% of the games you played.

JR Smith is a career 37% 3pt shooter, that comparison is weightless.
Your last sentence may have to be one of the least intelligent things I read on this website. Danny Green shoots as good as anyone in the NBA not named Kyle Korver, Nash, Stephen Curry or Klay Thompson. I don't think you understand statistics or basketball games well, and Manu Ginboili doesn't play a lot of minutes either in San Antonio, thats just Pop system. So that comment you made about "Danny Green can't play a lot of minutes" gets blown up. Manu would been playing 35-38 minutes in any other organization earlier in his career, but Pops always utilized Manu as a bench guy.

Sorry man, the Danny Green downplaying isn't working. Especially when you're trying to downplay one of the attributes he's ELITE at. Top 10 shooter in the NBA.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3JSWmM8F9E[/youtube]

He hits them when they count, bench clutch for SA. Proven player. We'll be lucky to have him.

He shot 70% in the NBA finals. But yea, he's inconsistent. He needs shoot 80% 3pt according to you.

Danny Green has played 52 games this year. He's hit more than 2 3s only 32 times (so again my 60/40 split was about right).
Kyle Korver has hit 2 or more 43 of his 52 games, Klay in 44 out of 50 games, and Curry in 39 of 50 games. Wes Matthews hit 2 or more threes in 44 out of 52 games. Basically if you look around the league at guys attempting 5 threes a game and hitting at least 38% of the Danny Green has the most games under 2 threes made. That makes him inconsistent. He's a very good player that definitely above average but for all this talk about guys flourishing in systems I think Danny Green is a major example of just that. Even in his career season (which is this season right now) he can't hit shots consistently enough to be a threat in 75% of the games he plays and when he can't hit his shots he's useless.

Danny Green shoots more than consistently. He's amongst the leaders in the NBA the last 4 seasons in 3pt %. He's very accurate from that range. I don't think you knew about his 41% 3PT career shooting, so I think you're trying to clean up the spilled milk here. You may have thought Green was a 37% shooter like JR. Danny Green is amongst the best in the NBA.

Danny Green doesn't play 30+ minutes like the other guys you listed, so ranking him against guys who get more shot opportunities is weightless and holds no point. Danny Green is purely consistent at making shots when he needs to make them.

Theres no on the Spurs that takes a **** of shots, that's not a team you expect someone to average 25 ppg, well not anymore since Duncan and Parker aren't in their prime, that team has about 3-4 SG/SF who play 20 minutes a game. I think we all know the Spurs rely on depth and that's what Danny Green can do for us plus more since he's experienced with a winning culture.


Even if Danny Green isn't hitting a shot(which is rare since he's one of the best 3pt shooters in the NBA), he's a top 3 defender at his position. He can guard point guards, shooting guards, and small forwards. He is what we were hoping Shumpert would develop into plus more. Two way player. Never useless.

[DickGrayson]

I'm not a fan of Danny Green. We would definitely overpay for a mediocre talent.

I'd much rather max out Jimmy Butler or Leonard and if that doesn't work we should try to get Mathews.

After that, we go after Paul Millsap or Draymond Green. Phil has to use his Zen this FA. I think we'll be okay though.

You must not like championship basketball then. He's a top 10 top shooter at his position and top defender.

any guy who plays good defense on LeBron James in the NBA finals isn't "mediocre"

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Theres no such thing as overpaying for Green, he's not a max player, but he would be perfect at 8-10 million. much rather have that then invest the max into guys who would just be role players in NY next to Melo. (Butler and Leonard)

and a big man should be priority in this free agency. Not a wing.

Knicks have the worst big man depth in the NBA. We need to pull someone from free agency and draft one also to add depth and secure Melo from guarding centers and PFs. that takes too much on his body.

I hear you but I'd much rather have Leonard or Butler, who are much younger than all of the bigs coming out in FA.

Leonard was the MVP of that finals just in case you forgot, it wasn't Green.

Leonard, Butler, Green; either or would be massive additions to the Knicks. We need more two way players and that would improve the team.
I don't
Green had a great series and broke some records in that Finals and was a key part in shutting LeBron down. If Knicks land Milsap or Gasol, I think it would best to save money and get the cheaper option in Green.

[DickGrayson]

PG: Reggie Jackson/Jose Calderon/Langston Galloway
SG: Thanasis Antetokoumpo/Tim Hardaway Jr.
SF: Carmelo Anthony/Cleanthony Early
PF: Tobias Harris/Brandon Bass/Travis Wear
C: Jahlil Okafor/Jason Smith/Cole Aldrich

We need interior defense.

Harris and Melo starting together is too redundant, similar to Francis/Marbury starting together.

Okafor will struggle and get fatigued on the court if he's expected to be the anchor of the defense because Melo and Harris are 6"8 wings with post games, but not exactly defensive enforces in the post. Too much pressure on the rookie, especially with Jason Smith backing him up who isn't even a top 200 NBA player.