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Re: Official Trade Thread: The Block Is Hot!! 

Post#1381 » by RunDogGun » Tue Feb 10, 2015 10:03 pm

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Kerrsed wrote:

And they traded Mo and Daniels for Gary Neal. Then flip Neal for something else. Glad we got rid of that pick. Should make the Feb 20th game I just bought tickets for, very interesting. Go Suns!


Great, another game against Gary Neal. Tied in the 4th, he hits 2 25 foot 3s to put the Hornets up 6, and then sinks 4 free throws in the last 30 seconds to ice it.

http://espn.go.com/nba/playbyplay?gameI ... 2&period=4

I don't know how much he will play. I think they want to flip him.
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Post#1382 » by carey » Tue Feb 10, 2015 10:07 pm

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MilotheSlayer wrote:What happens if McD brings back Gerald? We all talk like he's going to move on but what happens if he signs back with us? He seems to like it here and we've revitalized his career. I could even see him taking a pay cut to stay.


You think he'd take less than $3.5 million a year?

Possibly! He's out of the league if it wasn't for us giving him his minutes. I could see him only wanting to come back here because we have one of the few coaches who tell him to let if fly and lets him freely roam around. McD traded for him and lucked out and he turned into a good player in Phx. I could see McD having some sentimental value and bringing him back. He does seem like a good locker room guy and has been a pro's pro since his playing time has gone down. Now I don't want him back but it wouldn't absolutely shock me if McD brought him back.

With Marcus on the roster already making $5 Mill to do relatively little? I just don't see it.
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Post#1383 » by Saberestar » Tue Feb 10, 2015 10:33 pm

In this interview Chris Sheridan talks about the Suns and he says that we probably weight to add a big man, or even if we think that Dragic will be very expensive next season we probably can trade him for a big man before trade deadline. Regarding adding a big right now, he speaks about Eli Holman who can be the next Hassan Whiteside. Eli Homan is playing in China and is a PF/C.
http://icestream.bonnint.net/az/audio/2 ... 310325.mp3

Eli Holman
http://basketball.realgm.com/player/Eli ... mmary/4440
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Post#1384 » by MMyhre » Tue Feb 10, 2015 10:43 pm

asubennett wrote:Anyone who watches basketball can identify that IT is one of this team's biggest issues -

* He is a ball stopper. Their is a reason why Sacramento no longer wanted him
* Can he score efficiently at times? Yes - Can Gerald Green do the same? Yes - We have too many microwaves
* Three PG lineup is horrible to watch. I absolutely hate it. Bad basketball.
* My opinion -

IT needs to go. G. Green needs to go.

* Give Archie an extended look at SG next year or find a taller SG who can play.
* Move Dragic to 6th man role
* Bledsoe needs to be 35+MPG and Primary Ball Handler all of the time

I don't feel like our best players play enough right now. Hornaceks rotations are so messed up.

Yeah Dragic clearly has proven he is the superior player and more suitable for the 6th man role, also you think a guy that managed 3rd team all NBA would all of a sudden accept the 6th man role? He may seem like a soft kitty at times, but there is some ego there. Isaiah Thomas is the best statistical 6th man in the NBA right now, he has a great contract and I would keep him over Dragic. I do agree that Bledsoe should be the main ball handler when he is on the floor, but they should give it to Thomas if they want quick buckets at times.
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Post#1385 » by lilfishi22 » Tue Feb 10, 2015 10:52 pm

NavLDO wrote:Two issues I have with this is Tucker's contract and Dragic's as well. I mentioned it a few pages back, I believe, but Tucker's contract is not a good one. It's 'ok', but I would not characterize it anywhere near a steal. I'm sure one can show an example of a lesser player making more, but that doesn't prove that Tucker's contract is some sort of great deal. Tucker has regressed, along with a good number of other players, since last year. The only ones that have improved, IMO, are Kieff and Len. Bledsoe, Dragic, Green, Plumlee, Mook--all have either stagnated (EB/Mook) or regressed--and it shows via our record. Mook is a better player than Tucker, overall, and is paid less, so his contract is fine.

Where has he regressed? Athletically? Not from what I've seen. Statistically? per36 production is about in line with last season.

If showing an example of a lesser player making more doesn't prove Tucker's contract is a great deal then how about showing the opposite? Good players making less than Tucker at his position. These are the guys who are averaging at least 7pts, 5.5rpg, 25mpg and .555TS%

Giannis Antetokounmpo (Rookie deal)
Harrison Barnes (Rookie deal)
Jimmy Butler (Rookie deal and about to get paid)

Tucker is on front loaded deal, the guy play hard every night, he's often asked to guard PG's to PF's and he sets the tone defensively for the team. He's a guy that can help ANY contender and I'm sure they would love to him.
So again, blasphemous as it may be, Dragic should be paid at a level commensurate with his production, and to me, that's $10-12M. We will have made a mistake if we pay him as much or more than EB. EB is younger, still learning, and hopefully, improving, and $14M was a slight overpay, but that's ok, IMO, because he's still young and improving. But Dragic? Sorry, but he's peaked, IMO. He may yet have a season or two better than this year, but I doubt he ever gets back to last year's level. If we pay him $15M per, we will have roughly $37M invested in 3 PGs--of which not a single All Star. That's just not a good thing. IT is on a steal of a contract, because he plays at about a $10-12M per level, as does Dragic. So pay Dragic what he deserves, but I really hope they do not pay more than $12M.

Peaked? He's in the prime of his career right now with room to improve before hitting his peak. Considering the style of basketball he plays where he doesn't rely on crazy athleticism but craftiness to score, he could potentially still be playing at a high level beyond his mid-30's like Ginobili. This is a down year for Dragic, due to the PG situation, but had he still been producing the same last last year, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. I don't believe for a second that 13-14 Goran has just disappeared.

Goran deserves a Bledsoe level contract because he's proven he can produce at an All-NBA level (just last season). As for having $37m
invested in the PG position, I don't think it's a reason not to resign Goran and if we are resigning Goran, it's more than likely we would move IT.
If we are to get better, IMO, we need to shed one of our PGs, and pick up a PF with that savings, and the most logical, even if not desired, would be Dragic. Take the emotion out of what you think of Dragic, then look at the impact/production, and then, I challenge anyone, with a straight face, explain how/why Dragic is worth more than $12M per.

Shed IT since he's at his best a spark off the bench ala Nate Robinson/Aaron Brooks but better. Unless the plan is to keep IT on the bench and start a traditional back court line up with Bledsoe and a legit SG, then we're keeping Dragic.
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Post#1386 » by bwgood77 » Tue Feb 10, 2015 11:06 pm

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NavLDO wrote:Two issues I have with this is Tucker's contract and Dragic's as well. I mentioned it a few pages back, I believe, but Tucker's contract is not a good one. It's 'ok', but I would not characterize it anywhere near a steal. I'm sure one can show an example of a lesser player making more, but that doesn't prove that Tucker's contract is some sort of great deal. Tucker has regressed, along with a good number of other players, since last year. The only ones that have improved, IMO, are Kieff and Len. Bledsoe, Dragic, Green, Plumlee, Mook--all have either stagnated (EB/Mook) or regressed--and it shows via our record. Mook is a better player than Tucker, overall, and is paid less, so his contract is fine.

Where has he regressed? Athletically? Not from what I've seen. Statistically? per36 production is about in line with last season.

If showing an example of a lesser player making more doesn't prove Tucker's contract is a great deal then how about showing the opposite? Good players making less than Tucker at his position. These are the guys who are averaging at least 7pts, 5.5rpg, 25mpg and .555TS%

Giannis Antetokounmpo (Rookie deal)
Harrison Barnes (Rookie deal)
Jimmy Butler (Rookie deal and about to get paid)

Tucker is on front loaded deal, the guy play hard every night, he's often asked to guard PG's to PF's and he sets the tone defensively for the team. He's a guy that can help ANY contender and I'm sure they would love to him.
So again, blasphemous as it may be, Dragic should be paid at a level commensurate with his production, and to me, that's $10-12M. We will have made a mistake if we pay him as much or more than EB. EB is younger, still learning, and hopefully, improving, and $14M was a slight overpay, but that's ok, IMO, because he's still young and improving. But Dragic? Sorry, but he's peaked, IMO. He may yet have a season or two better than this year, but I doubt he ever gets back to last year's level. If we pay him $15M per, we will have roughly $37M invested in 3 PGs--of which not a single All Star. That's just not a good thing. IT is on a steal of a contract, because he plays at about a $10-12M per level, as does Dragic. So pay Dragic what he deserves, but I really hope they do not pay more than $12M.

Peaked? He's in the prime of his career right now with room to improve before hitting his peak. Considering the style of basketball he plays where he doesn't rely on crazy athleticism but craftiness to score, he could potentially still be playing at a high level beyond his mid-30's like Ginobili. This is a down year for Dragic, due to the PG situation, but had he still been producing the same last last year, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. I don't believe for a second that 13-14 Goran has just disappeared.

Goran deserves a Bledsoe level contract because he's proven he can produce at an All-NBA level (just last season). As for having $37m
invested in the PG position, I don't think it's a reason not to resign Goran and if we are resigning Goran, it's more than likely we would move IT.
If we are to get better, IMO, we need to shed one of our PGs, and pick up a PF with that savings, and the most logical, even if not desired, would be Dragic. Take the emotion out of what you think of Dragic, then look at the impact/production, and then, I challenge anyone, with a straight face, explain how/why Dragic is worth more than $12M per.

Shed IT since he's at his best a spark off the bench ala Nate Robinson/Aaron Brooks but better. Unless the plan is to keep IT on the bench and start a traditional back court line up with Bledsoe and a legit SG, then we're keeping Dragic.


Agree with everything. I don't understand why some don't like Tucker. I'd rather he not dribble much, but the guy lays his heart on the floor, he doesn't make much, and is a great value. I can understand people wanting to see Warren more, but even as a glue guy or second unit guy, Tucker is on a great deal.
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Post#1387 » by Revived » Tue Feb 10, 2015 11:16 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Schultz_Report/status/565277757509488642[/tweet]

Good lord, Amare is our replacement for Len? Is Len out for the year?

I thought he was only being held out as a precaution?
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Post#1388 » by Calvin Klein » Tue Feb 10, 2015 11:20 pm

**** off, Amare. You're 5 years too late to make a comeback.
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Post#1389 » by bwgood77 » Tue Feb 10, 2015 11:21 pm

SF88 wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/Schultz_Report/status/565277757509488642[/tweet]

Good lord, Amare is our replacement for Len? Is Len out for the year?

I thought he was only being held out as a precaution?


I would take Jordan Schultz' comment with a grain of salt. At least Amare should get some fans in the building so we may have a home court advantage.

Speaking of HCA, did anyone see in the ASU/UA game the curtain ASU has for free throws? Maybe Suns fans need to do something like that. I only saw what they did once when they opened the curtain, but it was pretty funny and I'm sure distracting.
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Post#1390 » by WeekapaugGroove » Tue Feb 10, 2015 11:31 pm

So Karl is going to take the kings job. They will obviously give it the rest of the season to see how him and cousins mesh. But say they but heads it could lead to them eventually getting so sick of cousins attitude they look to make a deal.

My question is would you want Demarcus? It would cost a ton because there would be plenty of bidders. To me it's a tough call. He's obviously extremely gifted. But the attitude problems are real and have been with him forever. With that said it's not like he's getting in trouble with the law just seems to be really hard to coach and play with.

I'd probably pull the trigger on getting him and pray like hell he grows up.

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Post#1391 » by Saberestar » Tue Feb 10, 2015 11:31 pm

SF88 wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/Schultz_Report/status/565277757509488642[/tweet]

Good lord, Amare is our replacement for Len? Is Len out for the year?

I thought he was only being held out as a precaution?

If Len is out for a month (for example) I think Amare would be a good addition.
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Post#1392 » by letsgosuns » Tue Feb 10, 2015 11:33 pm

There are flaws I see in some fans reasoning for keeping Dragic and/or Thomas.

A lot of people keep mentioning how Dragic proved himself last year because he was third team All NBA. However they are neglecting the fact at how much he has taken a step back this year. I do not see how his production from this year warrants a big contract. It is the opposite in fact. He has honestly had a very sub par year compared to last year. I said the other day that true stars to do not regress dramatically from one year to the next, especially in their prime. So just because Dragic played great last year, I am not willing to reward him with a massive contract based on last year's statistics. I am watching him right now and he is not having a good year. Look at his career. This is his seventh season and he has had one great year. So which is the fluke? The one year he played great or the 6 other years where he was only a decent player. Look at what he just did against the Kings. In a game where the Suns were without Bledsoe and Len and desperately needed Dragic to step up, he had 13 points and 5 assists. He did not score or have an assist in the 4th quarter. So imo, he has either gotten substantially worse or has checked out mentally and wants off the team, or both.

The other argument I see is about keeping Thomas because many fans say his stats are great, his contract is amazing, and he is the leading 6th man of the year candidate. Well none of that impresses me. Read me all the stats you want about Thomas. Stephon Marbury had great stats too. All it takes is the eye test to see that Thomas is a ball hog that holds back the development of other players. How many times does Thomas run the shot clock out at the end of quarters and launch a terrible shot or is unable to get a shot off, pass it to a player with 2 or 3 seconds left in the quarter, and they take a terrible shot. Happens all the time. I also am not interested in keeping a player just because his contract is a bargain. I really do not care that Thomas has supposedly kept the Suns in so many games this year. Gerald Green won several games last year with his streaky shooting. If Thomas was a young player on a rookie contract, that is one thing, but he is not. He is an egomaniac that wants to start and shoot whenever he gets the ball and is holding back players that frankly, have a ton of a raw talent. It is not like the Suns are winning with Thomas anyway. They are barely over .500. What is with this love affair with him.
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Post#1393 » by kennydorglas » Tue Feb 10, 2015 11:33 pm

SF88 wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/Schultz_Report/status/565277757509488642[/tweet]

Good lord, Amare is our replacement for Len? Is Len out for the year?

I thought he was only being held out as a precaution?


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Post#1394 » by Frank Lee » Tue Feb 10, 2015 11:33 pm

Amare back in town ??? He must finally be done working on his rebounding and defense.

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Post#1395 » by kennydorglas » Tue Feb 10, 2015 11:35 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:So Karl is going to take the kings job. They will obviously give it the rest of the season to see how him and cousins mesh. But say they but heads it could lead to them eventually getting so sick of cousins attitude they look to make a deal.

My question is would you want Demarcus? It would cost a ton because there would be plenty of bidders. To me it's a tough call. He's obviously extremely gifted. But the attitude problems are real and have been with him forever. With that said it's not like he's getting in trouble with the law just seems to be really hard to coach and play with.

I'd probably pull the trigger on getting him and pray like hell he grows up.

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Post#1396 » by lilfishi22 » Tue Feb 10, 2015 11:42 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:So Karl is going to take the kings job. They will obviously give it the rest of the season to see how him and cousins mesh. But say they but heads it could lead to them eventually getting so sick of cousins attitude they look to make a deal.

My question is would you want Demarcus? It would cost a ton because there would be plenty of bidders. To me it's a tough call. He's obviously extremely gifted. But the attitude problems are real and have been with him forever. With that said it's not like he's getting in trouble with the law just seems to be really hard to coach and play with.

I'd probably pull the trigger on getting him and pray like hell he grows up.

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Post#1397 » by lilfishi22 » Tue Feb 10, 2015 11:43 pm

SF88 wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/Schultz_Report/status/565277757509488642[/tweet]

Good lord, Amare is our replacement for Len? Is Len out for the year?

I thought he was only being held out as a precaution?

Just concern. Better safe than sorry.

Sentimentally, I'm loving Amare back in the desert but he isn't what we need.
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Post#1398 » by rsavaj » Tue Feb 10, 2015 11:47 pm

We don't have a roster spot for him
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Post#1399 » by Fo-Real » Tue Feb 10, 2015 11:49 pm

Cue the heartfelt "Im coming home" Amare compilation video!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post#1400 » by letsgosuns » Tue Feb 10, 2015 11:50 pm

Whether Len is out for a while or comes back right after the all star break, the Suns have nothing to lose with Amare back on the team. I would much rather have a combo of Wright, Amare, and Plumlee backing up Len and Markieff than Wright, Plumlee, and Tucker or Marcus playing out of position at the four spot. Can never have too many big guys on your team. Plus Amare can still score. I would be interested in seeing him and Bledsoe play together or Amare playing next to a real center like Len. Bringing back Amare also puts fans in the seats.

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