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catch20two wrote:Marv is overpaid by double what he's worth. I said it from the beginning that he'd be a okay backup but damn sure not a starter a damn sure not worth that dumb ass contract. Don't try to misconstrue my sh*t because you like him.
catch20two wrote:jdm3 wrote:catch20two wrote:Good find. That just mean that Hendo has been that much better than Lance that it's understandable why Cho wanna rid us of him while he still got value.
As long as you admitted that Marv is severely overrated. Took long enough.
I know you're not big on Zeller. How do it feel to know that Zeller is outplaying your boy?
He is not my boy. Just because I don't have irrational hate for him does not make him my boy. I look at it purely from a numbers stand point and from that level he is on par for what we were looking for. He is not overrated just overpaid. I never expected him to do more than what he has been doing. You are the one that still has not come to realization that he is performing as he has been asked to do.
I doubt you could ever acknowledge how he has done fine since you refuse to be impartial but if you look at the numbers without your hate you can see my point. This is what we had to pay to get what we are getting. He is doing just what he was supposed to do for us this season. Clifford wanted spacing at the PF spot and he is shooting 35% from three. Shoot our top three NetRtg lineups have Marvin in them right now.
We have played better with Henderson but I think some of it was the fact that Kemba, Al and Lance can't all fit. I think Kemba could play with either well enough but both need to play differently so Lance and Al don't mesh.
Irrational hate? Lol. If it ain't the kettle calling the pot hot on a flaming stove.
jdm3 wrote:If you understand the numbers and look at them they do not help you much. Assuming you mean the starting lineup of Al, Kemba, Henderson and MKG with the two then the numbers are:
Williams
0ffRtg - 101.6
DefRtg - 85.3
Zeller
OffRtg - 104.8
DefRtg - 99.9
Which gives Williams the advantage in NetRtg of 16.3 to 4.9.
Balllin wrote:Zion Williamson is 6-5, with a 6-10 wingspan. I see him as a slightly better Kenneth Faried.
jdm3 wrote:catch20two wrote:jdm3 wrote:He is not my boy. Just because I don't have irrational hate for him does not make him my boy. I look at it purely from a numbers stand point and from that level he is on par for what we were looking for. He is not overrated just overpaid. I never expected him to do more than what he has been doing. You are the one that still has not come to realization that he is performing as he has been asked to do.
I doubt you could ever acknowledge how he has done fine since you refuse to be impartial but if you look at the numbers without your hate you can see my point. This is what we had to pay to get what we are getting. He is doing just what he was supposed to do for us this season. Clifford wanted spacing at the PF spot and he is shooting 35% from three. Shoot our top three NetRtg lineups have Marvin in them right now.
We have played better with Henderson but I think some of it was the fact that Kemba, Al and Lance can't all fit. I think Kemba could play with either well enough but both need to play differently so Lance and Al don't mesh.
Irrational hate? Lol. If it ain't the kettle calling the pot hot on a flaming stove.
When have I not cited numbers as my reason. I disliked Cody last season because his numbers were terrible and Al this season for the same reason. I base my thought off what I see as best for the team not because I feel slighted by some player.
Charlotte Hornets forward Marvin Williams now knows “seeing stars” is so much more than an expression.
Williams was chasing after a loose ball the night of Jan. 24 in the first half against the New York Knicks. He bent forward and ended up taking a direct blow to the nose from an inadvertent elbow from Knicks center Jason Smith.
Williams tried to get right back up. The wrong choice.
“The blow was the worst of it,” Williams said following Hornets practice Friday at the Pepsi Center. “Usually I’m the type of guy who, if I get knocked down, I’m going to get right back up. The problem is when I tried to get up, I was literally seeing stars – literally! That’s when I had to roll back over. When they took me back to the locker room I had to stop because I was so out of it.”
To say Williams looked woozy that night is an understatement. He was diagnosed with a concussion and a broken nose.
He was back in practice Friday (though he wasn’t yet cleared for contact drills). Assuming he has no setback Saturday, Williams plans to play against the Denver Nuggets.
As quick a recovery as this appears, Williams isn’t rushing back. He knows concussions.
“This is my second or third concussion that I’ve had,” Williams said. “I had one a few years ago my first season in Utah (2012-13). And I guess I had one when I was younger. I didn’t remember that but my parents told me about it.”
This is the second concussion this season for the Hornets. Shooting guard Gary Neal suffered one Nov. 15 in a road loss to the Golden State Warriors.
The NBA has a formal protocol of tests before a concussed player is cleared to return. Williams had to be symptom-free for a full day, then could start exercising. Williams then had to go through a series of exertion tests symptom-free to be cleared to play.
“I’m doing OK. Yesterday was the first day I was symptom-free,” Williams said. “This morning I woke up feeling great. I took the concussion test and passed that. I did some things physically. A couple of little things are still bothering me, but for the most part I feel fine.”
Fine enough to play in Denver or, if not that, Washington on Monday
“If I’m cleared, definitely. Without a doubt,” Williams said. “This is my second or third concussion, so I’m not going to do anything (foolhardy). Coach (Steve) Clifford has told me to take my time coming back and Strick (head athletic trainer Steve Stricker) has been awesome with me. “
Williams still has to undergo a procedure to reset a cracked bone along his left nasal cavity. He’s putting that off until the All-Star break in two weeks. After that he will likely play some games in a protective mask.
Soon, he hopes, the night of Jan. 24 will just be a painful memory.
“I laid down in the second half and that made me feel a little better. When I got home I was a little better,” Williams recalled.
“But it was a scary moment definitely.”
Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2015/0 ... rylink=cpy
fatlever wrote:i'd rather have tolliver. marvin is one of the most disappointing players i can ever remember. he never improved from his freshman year.
Balllin wrote:Zion Williamson is 6-5, with a 6-10 wingspan. I see him as a slightly better Kenneth Faried.
catch20two wrote:Coulda just brought Tolly back for the vet min.
I didn't want Marv Williams bum ass period. I woulda took a undrafted rookie over him. That Josh Davis dude with the corny cornrows. Him.
thruthefire wrote:He was pretty good with the Hawks. Not sure how he became such a limited player so quickly.
